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I'm starting up this thread just to show the hypocracy, as I see it of the anti gun crowd. It's been a daily bombardment of anyone getting killed because of guns, but there's a lot more behind it than just guns. People are getting killed over drug sales, cartel wars, impaired drivers, etc., yet we don't see the big daily reports about entire families being killed or maimed by a drunk driver or calls from the news services for people to stop doing drugs since drugs are the cause of thousands of people a year getting killed.
MIAMI VALLEY — Debate over gun control heated up this weekend in the Miami Valley. Supporters and opponents each tried to make their points in public displays.
Saturday morning, Eric Grant was one of about a dozen people taking a walk in Beavercreek and then eating his lunch at Smoky’s Barbecue. He was carrying his sidearm.
“Just because we gather with firearms, doesn’t mean that havoc is going to ensue or that there will be violence” he said.
After a new assault weapons ban was introduced in the senate this past week, the group said it wanted to gather peacefully and exercise its second amendment right to carry firearms.
“It’s a right that I cherish and hold very dear,” said Travis Trop. “Make a presence known that we’re not, you know, these bad guys. I think a lot of people have the misconception that we are.”
Teri Dunlap said “Educate people that you know it’s possible to carry a gun and not, you know, be a bad guy that goes and causes … inflicts harm.”
“The vast preponderance of gun owners in the country … you never hear about because they never cross the line to do anything illegal” said Dennis Carter.
Outside of Bill Goodman’s Gun and Knife Show, people were protesting the sale of assault weapons. Those are the guns which the proposed bill would ban inside Hara Arena.
“We know that guns are being sold on the floor inside Hara Arena illegally” said Jerome McCorry. “No background checks no identification of any kind.”
McCorry said “AK-47s and M16s are not gonna be used for hunting, they’re not going to be used to protect anybody. These are the weapons that are coming back and being used in mass murders and mass killings.”
These events happened as thousands of people marched through Washington Saturday to promote gun safety. Some Newtown, Connecticut residents were among those participating in the march.
Google up Jerome McCorry... he's a convicted rapist.
Relapse wrote: yet we don't see the big daily reports about entire families being killed or maimed by a drunk driver or calls from the news services for people to stop doing drugs since drugs are the cause of thousands of people a year getting killed.
... ok...
I don't know if you have missed the "war on drugs" but it has been pretty big for quite a few years now, not just with camapigns aimed directly at stopping the flow of drugs/money, but also in educating people against the use of drugs. And if the US is anything like the UK in terms of stuff out there aimed at stopping drink driving then I can't imagine how you feel it isn't being treated as a serious problem.
So... how does this relate to outrage over someone saying gun sales should be more tightly controlled and monitored again?
So what's your point? That people should be outraged over other things as well? I'm not seeing that as any kind of hypocracy, I think people aren't too pleased about the drug situation either. 0.o
...And its not so much about the criminals. Its about breeding a culture which doesn't worship guns so much. Lots of things are illegal, but people still have access to them. But its a lot more difficult than say just popping in a few blocks of cocaine in with your weekly shopping at the super market.
I'll point this out as ever; if you happen to look at these gun discussion threads you'll rarely find any gun advocators from outside of the US. Hey, maybe its just that the rest of the world that's wrong...
Relapse wrote: yet we don't see the big daily reports about entire families being killed or maimed by a drunk driver or calls from the news services for people to stop doing drugs since drugs are the cause of thousands of people a year getting killed.
... ok...
I don't know if you have missed the "war on drugs" but it has been pretty big for quite a few years now, not just with camapigns aimed directly at stopping the flow of drugs/money, but also in educating people against the use of drugs. And if the US is anything like the UK in terms of stuff out there aimed at stopping drink driving then I can't imagine how you feel it isn't being treated as a serious problem.
So... how does this relate to outrage over someone saying gun sales should be more tightly controlled and monitored again?
Read what I wrote earlier about a lot of people in the anti gun crowd using drugs.
If I was calling for better gun control in the US (which I'm not I couldn't care less what your country does) I wouldn't be a hypocrite because I also didn't mention how bad drink driving or drug cartels were at the same time.
Relapse wrote: Read what I wrote earlier about a lot of people in the anti gun crowd using drugs.
A lot of people on the pro-gun crowd speed. Where is the outrage?!?!
You also didn't say that in the OP, which is what I was replying to.
The drug users in the control crowd are saying there are too many gun deaths, but don't think twice about being the cause of thousands of deaths a year by cartels vying to control the drug trade
Read what I wrote earlier about a lot of people in the anti gun crowd using drugs.
What has this got to do with anything?
RegalPhantom wrote: If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
Warzone Plog
Relapse wrote: The drug users in the control crowd are saying there are too many gun deaths, but don't think twice about being the cause of thousands of deaths a year by cartels vying to control the drug trade
Soooo... because they do something wrong their opinion on something else must be ignored? Wrong? What?
Guns kill people - a lot of them are used by people in the cartels. They'd have a lot harder time killing thousands of people a year if arms and ammunition were harder to get hold of. So would all the street pushers selling drugs to hippies and other hardened anti-gun people that you seem to think keep them in bling and bullets.
The drug users in the control crowd are saying there are too many gun deaths, but don't think twice about being the cause of thousands of deaths a year by cartels vying to control the drug trade
The easy answer to that is to simply make most drugs legal, or at least decriminalised. If that happens the death statistics related to recreational drugs will plummet. Also how many of those drug related deaths were due to gunshot wounds?
The quote system on these boards is terrible.
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RegalPhantom wrote: If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
Warzone Plog
The drug users in the control crowd are saying there are too many gun deaths, but don't think twice about being the cause of thousands of deaths a year by cartels vying to control the drug trade
The easy answer to that is to simply make most drugs legal, or at least decriminalised. i fthat happens the death statistics related to recreational drugs will plummet. Also how many of those drug related deaths were due to gunshot wounds?
The quote system on these boards is terrible.
Looks like you had a messed up quote. Until then, people will keep using, not caring about those they caused to be killed.
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You are attempting to claim that people who use recreational drugs are somehow hypocrits due to the large number of recreational drug related deaths. However the real reason for those deaths is overly strict and unhelpful legislation and the easy availability of firearms, both of which are almost certainly strongly supported by the gun lobby. Thats a generalisation of course but you started it.
Who is being hypocritical again?
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RegalPhantom wrote: If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
Warzone Plog
This is like in school where Little-Miss-Weak-Gun-Control spat in Tommy's face and when the teacher said she was going to punish Little-Miss-Weak-Gun-Control she pointed at Little-Miss-Drink-Driving and Little-Miss-Drug-Cartels and asked why they didn't get punished when nthey spat in Tommy's face. Well guess what Little-Miss-Poor-Gun-Control, Little-Miss-Drink-Driving and Little-Miss-Drug-Cartels DID get punished when they spat in Tommy's face and that has nothing to do with you spitting at him. Now go stand in the corner.
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Relapse wrote: Until then, people will keep using, not caring about those they caused to be killed.
Cars kill plenty of people every day, more than guns actually. Yet people don't care about that as they drive to work going faster than they should or talking on their mobile phone.
daedalus wrote: I don't really care about either. People kill people, be it with/over drugs, guns, religion, negligence, or a myriad of other reasons.
The only common denominator here is people.
The only logical course of action to prevent people killing other people is to ban people.
Let me know when you have any other problems you require me to solve.
People should be forced to take birth control and not allowed to breed until they prove they've been drug free for X amount of time, have an income, and can read.
That's my platform when i run in 2020!
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daedalus wrote: I don't really care about either. People kill people, be it with/over drugs, guns, religion, negligence, or a myriad of other reasons.
The only common denominator here is people.
The only logical course of action to prevent people killing other people is to ban people.
Let me know when you have any other problems you require me to solve.
People should be forced to take birth control and not allowed to breed until they prove they've been drug free for X amount of time, have an income, and can read.
That's my platform when i run in 2020!
I'd vote for that.
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I'll also propose a bill that Auto makers have to design their cars that makes it so that when you turn on your windshield wipers, your headlights come on automatically.
If you've driven in a proper Houston monsoon, you know why this is important. Grey cars (and a few other colors) become practically invisible when it rains during the day time, yet people don't turn on their headlights.
daedalus wrote: How's the track record for the ones you did vote for who DID say they care about those issues?
I've only voted once before and that was for the NDP in the last Canadian national election but they didn't actually win though, but I assume they actually give a gak about those issues.
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Relapse wrote: Until then, people will keep using, not caring about those they caused to be killed.
Cars kill plenty of people every day, more than guns actually. Yet people don't care about that as they drive to work going faster than they should or talking on their mobile phone.
OUTRAGE!
Cars are needed for our societies to function, recreational drugs aren't. People get tickets and lose liscences over talking on mobile phones while driving in many areas.
