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 generalgrog wrote:
If you really think all I know about Origen is from a wikipedia article you don't know me. He is a well know heretic who is quoted by modern day unorthodox cultists to support their modern day heresies. I have read a few apologetic's that go into detail on the man.

Not going to claim to be an origen expert though, but not going to allow you to pigeonhole me like that.

To dismiss him as just a heretic who is only quoted by modern day cultists is not even remotely accurate.

Pedophiles are allready using that same argument.
Sebster are you going to be consistent with your compassion regarding, genetics and sexual identity, when scientists start saying pedos were born that way...and if you don't agree then you are a bigot?

GG

Your logic is bounding all over the place there. I stated homosexuality is not a choice, and you went from that to a conclusion that the reason homosexuality must be okay is because it is not a choice. Just... read what's actually being said, please.

Anyhow, homosexuality is okay because it's done by consenting adults who aren't hurting anyone. Whether or not it's a choice doesn't affect whether or not its okay.

Pedophilia, which may have some basis in biology for all I know, is not okay because it is not done by consenting adults.


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 generalgrog wrote:
That's interesting. while I admire Pope Benedict and Pope John Paul before him, don't you think this is sending a mixed message?

It's kind of like me quoting talking about how awesome Carlton Pearson(Now Bishop Carlton Pearson) is/was and not even mentioning that he has now turned from orthodoxy to the gospel of inclusion and joined the Unitarian Church.

In case you didn't know Carlton Pearson was a huge "star" Gospel singer and preacher in the 90's. I remember watching the man on TBN. But he is now pretty much shunned and has been called a heretic. A story very similar to Origen..and he teaches many of the same things as Origen such as universal reconciliation ( a.k.a.Gospel of Inclusion)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlton_Pearson

It's kind of telling that you post his story assuming it to be representative of all Christian faith. It isn't.

That kind of shunning and calls for heresy is kind of a the calling card of all too much of the evangelical movement. A habit that appears based more in tribalism than religious discovery, unfortunately.

To call someone a heretic is a legitimate claim to make. You just can't burn them at the stake any more.

But without the identifier of heresy how would one discern what is Church Doctrine and what is false teachings?

 Ratbarf wrote:
To call someone a heretic is a legitimate claim to make. You just can't burn them at the stake any more.

I'm not dismissing the idea of heresy. I'm commenting on which particular faiths used it the most often, and why.

Every religion contains some kind of diversity to its religious beliefs, the issue is over how diverse those beliefs have to get before people say that just isn't part of our religion anymore. And the point is that for US evangelicals, the level of deviance is extremely small.

 sebster wrote:
the level of deviance is extremely small.

... Well...