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2013/04/11 12:04:08
Subject: New Warmachine faction- Convergence of Cyriss (May not get regular anthology book updates, pg 12)
Eh, they'e been doing this for their minor factions for a while. Pirates, Farrow, Rhul, etc are the same way. They may dress it up as them being mercenaries, but for most people that play them, it's a minor faction with infrequent updates.
Vertrucio wrote: Eh, they'e been doing this for their minor factions for a while. Pirates, Farrow, Rhul, etc are the same way. They may dress it up as them being mercenaries, but for most people that play them, it's a minor faction with infrequent updates.
Then those people are wrong...
All those factions have access to the rest of the mercenary line up, Cyriss doesn't, if individual players choose to restrict themselves to a subset of the models available to them, its not PP's fault.
2013/04/11 16:23:06
Subject: New Warmachine faction- Convergence of Cyriss (May not get regular anthology book updates, pg 12)
Vertrucio wrote: Eh, they'e been doing this for their minor factions for a while. Pirates, Farrow, Rhul, etc are the same way. They may dress it up as them being mercenaries, but for most people that play them, it's a minor faction with infrequent updates.
Then those people are wrong...
Yep, they're wrong about playing their toy soldiers they way they like to play, which has developed into a small but vocal minority.
The fact that PP has added more and more specific contracts/pacts (including the original Magnus' Agenda, which became the basis for theme lists) since the initial two highly generalist/open-ended ones (which they've so much as explicitly said they regretted) suggests that PP would rather you play them as generalist factions with every option and discourage you from playing small thematically consistent lists, and this is their subtle way of telling you as much?
... if individual players choose to restrict themselves to a subset of the models available to them, its not PP's fault.
That's a different matter: you said they were wrong for playing them as a mini-faction, which is hugely different than "they've limited their options willingly"... there might be a few voices out there accusing PP of something or other, but most of what I see from them is enthusiasm in one section or another of the merc/minion line.
Vertrucio wrote: Eh, they'e been doing this for their minor factions for a while. Pirates, Farrow, Rhul, etc are the same way. They may dress it up as them being mercenaries, but for most people that play them, it's a minor faction with infrequent updates.
Then those people are wrong...
All those factions have access to the rest of the mercenary line up.
Man these merc contracts must all be typos, IVE BEEN DOING IT WRONG ALL THESE YEARS!
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2013/04/11 16:37:36
Subject: New Warmachine faction- Convergence of Cyriss (May not get regular anthology book updates, pg 12)
Vertrucio wrote: Eh, they'e been doing this for their minor factions for a while. Pirates, Farrow, Rhul, etc are the same way. They may dress it up as them being mercenaries, but for most people that play them, it's a minor faction with infrequent updates.
Then those people are wrong...
All those factions have access to the rest of the mercenary line up.
Man these merc contracts must all be typos, IVE BEEN DOING IT WRONG ALL THESE YEARS!
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2013/04/11 17:07:52
Subject: New Warmachine faction- Convergence of Cyriss (May not get regular anthology book updates, pg 12)
spiralingcadaver wrote: That's a different matter: you said they were wrong for playing them as a mini-faction, which is hugely different than "they've limited their options willingly"... there might be a few voices out there accusing PP of something or other, but most of what I see from them is enthusiasm in one section or another of the merc/minion line.
No, I said that they were wrong for considering them the equivalent of Cyriss, but thanks for putting words in my mouth.
I never said that they were playing wrong or right, again thank you for putting words in my mouth.
Rhul and Talion are parts of the Mercenary faction. If Rhul or Talion players decide to restrict themselves to those particular models, its their individual choice.
Cyriss isn't part of anything except of Cyriss. There aren't any other faction that could expand their model selection.
Understand me now?
2013/04/11 17:19:31
Subject: New Warmachine faction- Convergence of Cyriss (May not get regular anthology book updates, pg 12)
Farrow are in the same boat, as are Gators, though they do get a few updates. (They do have to split the updates and are behind in terms of casters, battle engines, etc.) Shae is extremely limited.
I don't hate the idea of a limited release type faction. In fact I think we should embrace it. More options in terms of factions sounds like a dream, even if they don't have the same numbers of options as the big guys.
Note: my main factions are Pirates and Gators, so my view may be different than most.
2013/04/11 17:42:37
Subject: New Warmachine faction- Convergence of Cyriss (May not get regular anthology book updates, pg 12)
PhantomViper wrote: No, I said that they were wrong for considering them the equivalent of Cyriss, but thanks for putting words in my mouth.
I never said that they were playing wrong or right, again thank you for putting words in my mouth.
You didn't say how they were wrong, just that they were:
Vertrucio wrote: Eh, they'e been doing this for their minor factions for a while. Pirates, Farrow, Rhul, etc are the same way. They may dress it up as them being mercenaries, but for most people that play them, it's a minor faction with infrequent updates.
Then those people are wrong...
All those factions have access to the rest of the mercenary line up, Cyriss doesn't, if individual players choose to restrict themselves to a subset of the models available to them, its not PP's fault.
You responded to "this is how people have been acting" with "those people are wrong," not "claiming contracts/pacts are the same as a faction is wrong"
Rhul and Talion are parts of the Mercenary faction. If Rhul or Talion players decide to restrict themselves to those particular models, its their individual choice.
I acknowledged that in my post you're reacting against:
... if individual players choose to restrict themselves to a subset of the models available to them, its not PP's fault.
That's a different matter: you said they were wrong for playing them as a mini-faction, which is hugely different than "they've limited their options willingly"... there might be a few voices out there accusing PP of something or other, but most of what I see from them is enthusiasm in one section or another of the merc/minion line.
Cyriss isn't part of anything except of Cyriss. There aren't any other faction that could expand their model selection.
Understand me now?
You may have thought you were implying a comparison to this somewhere in what you said, but didn't state this in the post I was objecting to. Yes, I understand and agree with this.
Everyone makes mistakes and thinks something they implied is obvious, no reason to get defensive about it...
Automatically Appended Next Post: Regarding the models and concept, I'm slowly getting won over. It'll really depend on what exactly comes out, though...
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Yeah I'm gonna pass on these things... the Warcaster looks cool, but the Cipher is the jack that I didn't like during the video (the "pistol barrel" head just looks dumb to me), and I'm not too enticed by the light vectors...
Though the book cover art does look up to PP's usual standards.
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2013/04/11 19:22:16
Subject: New Warmachine faction- Convergence of Cyriss (Pics of 3 heavy vectors, starter box, and book pg14!)
Pretty rad. Of course, most warjacks I see (and these heavies in particular) I just want to tell my titans to sweep the leg for the easy win.
And by sweep the leg, I mean rip it off with a big ol' war gauntlet.
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2013/04/11 19:24:43
Subject: New Warmachine faction- Convergence of Cyriss (Pics of 3 heavy vectors, starter box, and book pg14!)
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2013/04/11 19:31:44
Subject: New Warmachine faction- Convergence of Cyriss (Pics of 3 heavy vectors, starter box, and book pg14!)
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"So, do please come along when we're promoting something new and need photos for the facebook page or to send to our regional manager, do please engage in our gaming when we're pushing something specific hard and need to get the little kiddies drifting past to want to come in an see what all the fuss is about. But otherwise, stay the feth out, you smelly, antisocial bastards, because we're scared you are going to say something that goes against our mantra of absolute devotion to the corporate motherland and we actually perceive any of you who've been gaming more than a year to be a hostile entity as you've been exposed to the internet and 'dangerous ideas'. " - MeanGreenStompa
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2013/04/11 20:10:27
Subject: New Warmachine faction- Convergence of Cyriss (Pics of 3 heavy vectors, starter box, and book pg14!)
Red_Zeke wrote: Pretty rad. Of course, most warjacks I see (and these heavies in particular) I just want to tell my titans to sweep the leg for the easy win.
And by sweep the leg, I mean rip it off with a big ol' war gauntlet.
Nice
2013/04/11 20:36:24
Subject: New Warmachine faction- Convergence of Cyriss (Pics of 3 heavy vectors, starter box, and book pg14!)
Not too impressed by the heavy jacks. They look... I don`t know just seeing them now as to when first seeing them when they were announced its like a totally different thing.
I like the lights though
2013/04/11 21:32:18
Subject: Re:New Warmachine faction- Convergence of Cyriss (Pics of 3 heavy vectors, starter box, and book pg14!)
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2013/04/11 21:42:25
Subject: New Warmachine faction- Convergence of Cyriss (Pics of 3 heavy vectors, starter box, and book pg14!)
starter box and book are also up:
