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 Ronin_eX wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Ronin_eX wrote:
I love that Razide

Wait, what? Where's that new Razide I haven't seen?

OH GOD JUST WENT TO THEIR FACEBOOK AND SAW IT GOTTA CHANGE MY PANTS BE RIGHT BACK

Indeed, it is perfect. It really makes the concept art just leap off the page.

This one?
Is that resin or 3D printing or whaaaat?

Apparently a low-resolution resin prototype. Low-resolution! If that is the low-res one, then I am amazed.

Andrew1975: Regarding your argument about Prince August's sales. I would posit that base size might have been an issue since, at the moment, those minis are for a game system that is not supported.

Bring in a good ruleset that begs to be played on its own (one can hope), it might make base size irrelevant.

I for one would welcome the fact that I can't use it in W40K as I have one too many army for that system, trying hard to weane myself off of it.

(It's working great so far, thanks for asking)

 Sidstyler wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:
Look I'm not saying that they are doomed if they use different sized bases. I'm just saying that it probably behooves them to keep them standard.

Personally I'd consider the 30mm lipped bases to be the new standard, since it seems lots of newer games are using them now. Eventually 40k will be one of the only games still using 25mm slotta bases, and I expect that to change if GW ever thinks it becomes as big of an issue as you've made it out to be here.

See that's fine with GW, I'm sure they would be happy to be the only ones that uses their size base, and as far as I know they are really the only game that has Base Nazis. I still have some people cry over my rt terminators that are on the smaller bases, or my rt era heavy weapon that are not on the big bases. Some people really do give cry and moan about stupid stuff, and yeah, you are probably better off not playing with them anyway.

I'm just thinking if gamers were so picky on base size as they appear to be now, when I was buying my old warzone minis, would I have bought them if they were on a different base? Would having to buy bases additionally made a difference in my college kid budget when it was hard enough to afford a new box of minis anyway? I bought them because, at the time they were better sculpts (for what I wanted) than what GW offered, were a bit cheaper, and I could use them in both games. I have to say it would have made the decision harder, and I'm pretty sure I would not have bought as many bags of the plastic ones later down the road.

If the rules are going to allow for the smaller bases anyway, might as well just make them the standard.

Mathieu: That is the thing see you can afford lots of armies, and have lots of old ones, not a lot of people are in that position. For a lot of younger people its a one or the other situation. If people are already invested in 40k, it's going to be tuff to make them switch, especially to such a raw game. Do you know how long it will take for them to produce even just the full basic corporate armies? Each one with about 10 different infantry types. It just seams to be a bad idea to make them incomparable with a game that people can actually play.


That is a nice looking razide torso!

Bases are generally the last thing I think about when I get into a miniatures game. Sometimes they don't even factor in at all.

Seems this "Machinator Concept Art" hasn't been posted yet:

 Ronin_eX wrote:
Apparently a low-resolution resin prototype. Low-resolution! If that is the low-res one, then I am amazed.

Given the size of the tweezers, what details do you expect on the nano-level to make it a good model

the bases was as i recal 25mm and the figures just a litel bigger than those for w40k. 28mm insted of 25mm

like the pic of machinators

The armoured variant is fething creepy

Really like that armored variant

And those poses are really dynamic, though possibly mono posed if going that route.

These make me more excited than GoA war droids!

i was loking for a pic of my machinators but they ar in the laptop as for now.

No. Please. No Dark Eden shenanighans.

Funny we should mention it, I've been recycling old warzone bases this week, and the angle of the sides doesn't seem to be quite the same as GW.

That tank is a beast. It just reminds me how much I want to build an old Bis Mk1.

Some of the vehicles for me were too much an attempt to out-cartoon GW, and their designs were too close to GW's offerings for me to take seriously, although it is odd that I didn't have a problem with the outsized shoulder-pads. I sill have the assault on the citadel boardgame tucked away somewhere.

...Wow. I continue to be very pleased with these. I look forward to handing over a dumptruck full of money in exchange for several tons of these minis.

xraytango wrote:
Some of the vehicles for me were too much an attempt to out-cartoon GW, and their designs were too close to GW's offerings for me to take seriously, although it is odd that I didn't have a problem with the outsized shoulder-pads. I sill have the assault on the citadel boardgame tucked away somewhere.

i like the tanks and would wont more the Imperial Hedgehog Necromower was mabe a lithel to small? but its nice

the shoulder-pads i like them big as they are on all the minis.

some pics

I like the shoulder pads more toned back. I like the size of the should plates on the plastics from the starter set. They're big, but they're not super thick and chunky. And I find the vehicles above look really silly.

I'm really not sure what they are going to go with in terms of the an overall style when it comes to the armour human troops are wearing or the vehicle designs. I think I'd like to see elements that are reminders of the style, but a new take that is more modern and low profile as the overall design.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Seems this "Machinator Concept Art" hasn't been posted yet:


So it looks like you are ditching the cybertronic weapons designs. Too bad, I likes how sleek and hi tech their weapons used to be.

I wonder what the redo on the praetorian Stalkers will be like?

 shasolenzabi wrote:
I wonder what the redo on the praetorian Stalkers will be like?

Hopefully none. I think the Stalker design along with Razides and Furies didn't age a day since we saw them first. No point in fixing something that's not broken.

Great to see this come back. This was my first mini game and my main love.

1st edition was great (somewhat clunky at times from what a remember)
2nd edition was good (Still don't understand to this day why it included 80 guys when it works best at 20ish. Also, would have helped if they had more then just 40 of the same units for two armies).

I'm interested in actually assembling the small Imperial army I have sitting in a box.

And boy, the first edition models did not age well (for the most part, I still think the Free Marines look good to this day).

For concept art, any chance of seeing some of the human guys (Capital, Imperial, Mishima and Bahaus)?

I did like the 2nd ed Hussars/Mountaners too. Interesting concepts they had.

As for the Stalkers, if they get the same attention of the Razides, it will not be a total tweak, but there was a tweak where they had the tusks as separate pieces from the head to be glued on as I recall.

This had better not be an early April's Fool. If so I'm flying over and hunting some people down.

Basing; if not 25mm round it's an issue for me but if they sell packs of the new bases I can use to replace my existing with I'll buy them. Similar to what Battlefront does, they sell packs of their bases which I buy many of and so do others. If no bases are available then well, I'll just buy less new stuff. I want to buy a lot of new stuff but if it won't fit with my existing collection base wise I'll be a lot more picky. Regarding model size; Old Warzone miniatures look to be on the big side of 28-33mm so if the new stuff is 30-35mm I'm not worried about that.

In 1998ish in my area of the USA Warzone was kicking GW's butt in sales or so the FLGS owner said at the time. 40K gaming was not happing on the tabletop as much as Warzone gaming was. Not unlike now where 40k gaming is about as dead as that time being replaced with Flames of War and WarmaHordes. I'd like to add Warzone to that list.

Woahh those Mishima walkers did not age well plus the paint job doesn't help. To be honest I don't think I'll be getting the basic units for my Mishima army unless they are real good.I already have 20 samurai and 20 ashigaru that I should finish painting 15 years after I got them but on the other hand never got the Mishima support options like the Meka and the Arashi cannon plus I wouldn't mind buying a few Bauhaus and Imperial to take my squads to 10 man size.

M.

Yeah, the vehicles are the things most in need of a re-design. Only the Vulkans (save the lack of actual head armour, rather than just a dude in a helmet) and the 2nd Edition grey/purple sharks (and pegasus) still look okay. WZ vehicles weren't great when they came out and age has done them no service.

If the soldier mini renders and examples are any sign, I think the vehicles will get a much deserved face lift to reflect the changes in design concepts

 Kroothawk wrote:
Seems this "Machinator Concept Art" hasn't been posted yet:

oh whao. Thows guys look ace.

Thow armoured guys with mini-guns would put the terminator to shame!

 Lockark wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Seems this "Machinator Concept Art" hasn't been posted yet:

oh whao. Thows guys look ace.

Thow armoured guys with mini-guns would put the terminator to shame!

The ankles could use a better greave plate

looks very promising i never played the original but i saw a few games played. Bought the ultimate warzone rulebook which is quite hefty i might say a few years back. So much information to sink in and just when i was ready to try and get a list purchased it went under again.

Some of the miniatures were great (i love the mourning wolves? i believe they were called) where as some were.. less than ideal..I would not mind at all if they updated the line though i do want them to keep that distinctive style their minis had. Sort of retro/pin up not quite sure what word i would use.

 shasolenzabi wrote:

 Lockark wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Seems this "Machinator Concept Art" hasn't been posted yet:

oh whao. Thows guys look ace.

Thow armoured guys with mini-guns would put the terminator to shame!

The ankles could use a better greave plate

I like the "triangle" silhouette the thinner ankles makes. Gives them that slowly advancing look, with out looking like they are ploudeing.

 Andrew1975 wrote:

 solkan wrote:
Did you miss the part where they said that there would be rules for using 25mm bases even though 30mm bases were preferred?

P.S. Everyone I know who bought the Dreamforge storm troopers did it for role playing game figures.

No I didn't miss that. But what if people want to use their new 30mm based warzone minis for 40k! This is my point. I've got a crap load of bases so to me it doesn't matter, but it will to other people.

The "mount on the base the model came with" rule doesn't apply when you're dealing with non-GW models. :p

Once someone has gotten over the sacred "GW models only" rule, buying extra bases isn't a big deal. Especially since that means you can buy third party bases that cost less than their weight in gold.