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 Warzone Resurrection wrote:


We also intend to sell through FLGS. So if you know one that you think should stock Warzone Resurrection, let us know!
Another key thing is that we have designed a new game system; one that like everything else in Warzone Resurrection is a mixture of old and new. Key to this is the skirmish approach and the D20 of old, but we have also incorporated algorithms from computer game programming (for balance) and card play (to represent environmental, wargear and personnel effects on the battle). But be assured, Mutant Chronicles Warzone Resurrection is still primarily a tabletop 28mm scale miniature skirmish game and a very good, exciting and gripping one at that!

Kind Regards and Happy Gaming

Jarek, Mark and Michal (Prodos Games Ltd.)

Algorithms from coimputer game programming? Does it mean that we´d need a computer or tablet while playing?
I´m not a fan of games with cards, but it´s ok if the whole rule system is good.

I love the renders, but not the Bauhaus work in progress. I hope the Bauhaus miniatures to be much better.

Vulkans should be more like this!:
http://oi45.tinypic.com/2w50cvo.jpg

 unitstrogg wrote:
Vulkans should be more like this!:
http://oi45.tinypic.com/2w50cvo.jpg

I laughed at first, but you are actually onto something there, at least when it comes to the torso

 ergotoxin wrote:

 unitstrogg wrote:
Vulkans should be more like this!:
http://oi45.tinypic.com/2w50cvo.jpg

I laughed at first, but you are actually onto something there, at least when it comes to the torso

True, Vulcan's new design is too much on the skinny side. Although I was interested in Bauhaus, it was a deal breaker for me.

Kinda depressing to see so many people hating on it already. The Kickstarter practically just went up, I think we can at least give it a week or two before we officially declare it "dead", can't we?

For all the people saying this looks "rushed" or that they're "ill-prepared", I find that kind of silly seeing as how this is coming hot off the heels of the BGoA Kickstarter. On day one they're miles ahead of where they were at after a fething month, and since this one has about 60 days to go as well I expect we'll see more finished and even painted miniatures before it's all over.

Personally I didn't like finding out that it was a Kickstarter, like I said before I'm fething sick of them and it's even worse that it's a UK Kickstarter because it'll be a nightmare for me to back it at all. But while some people don't like the fact that this is essentially a pre-order since three of the four factions are going to be available no matter what, I'm actually relieved because I still get what I originally wanted, which was a chance to order product that doesn't hinge on the success of a crowd-funding campaign. There's still a Kickstarter to fund other factions and get them out quicker for people who are into that, but I like knowing that if I either choose not to back this or can't because my credit card company won't let me, then I can just buy it at retail in June. I kinda want to try and support the KS anyway, but I'm not sure about it yet. I'll ask my local store if they plan on supporting the game or not and if they do I might wait and buy it from them later.

One thing that worries me though is the card mechanic. I am not at all a fan of "lolrandom" game design, the likes of which GW have resorted to since they don't know what the feth they're doing anymore, and cards that cause random, potentially detrimental events reminds me too much of that. I'll try to remain confident though, because it seemed that their representative earlier in the thread was pretty worried about game balance so I doubt they would throw all that out the window with a "cinematic" card mechanic, but we'll see I guess.

The computer algorithm thing is even more worrisome than cards in my opinion.

I don't think anyone has declared it dead whatsoever. At this point, a lot of the criticism has been quite constructive.

@Sidstyler - I totally agree, even though I haven't been super positive about things pre-kickstarter I'd say let's wait and see before we wright this off as a failure!

Having said that, I truly hope they scrap that Everassur and come up with something new. I'd say it looks like a weird take on GWs hellbrute and got nothing to do with the MC-universe...

 c0un7_z3r0 wrote:
@Sidstyler - I totally agree, even though I haven't been super positive about things pre-kickstarter I'd say let's wait and see before we wright this off as a failure!

Having said that, I truly hope they scrap that Everassur and come up with something new. I'd say it looks like a weird take on GWs hellbrute and got nothing to do with the MC-universe...

Mate, I agree with every single word you said. Well, apart from the excitement part - I was super positive since the beginning!

@Prodos; Guys, seriously, the Everassur is a really bad choice for the starter box. You can keep him as an add-on or something, but as it is right now, this model is bringing low the otherwise stunning Cybertronic box. Couldn't you replace him with a Machinator?

I'm just saying the current art direction is too much of a stretch. I mean, this is what Mutant Chronicles/Bauhaus used to mean... Not that it didn't need updating, but right now there are much more differences than similarities...

I hope that computer algorhytm means that the rules of the games follow a structure similar to computer algorhytm and not that a pc is needed to play....

Speaking of the miniatures i like them, although the Bauhaus is strange, they're really different from the original, total new design. The Vulkan is too slim, it seems a normal soldier with a party costume.

 reppy wrote:
I hope that computer algorhytm means that the rules of the games follow a structure similar to computer algorhytm and not that a pc is needed to play....

Speaking of the miniatures i like them, although the Bauhaus is strange, they're really different from the original, total new design. The Vulkan is too slim, it seems a normal soldier with a party costume.

It means that you will get BALANCED game (units, heroes and mechanic in general), as imbalance was one of reasons why Warzone was dying 3 times... and our goal is not to go that way

We want to make game where your strategy and Tactic is key to victory, not a brand new Army Book (if you got my point ).

Regarding Cybertronic model, its one of new heroes, more to come, including old ones.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 reppy wrote:
I hope that computer algorhytm means that the rules of the games follow a structure similar to computer algorhytm and not that a pc is needed to play....

Speaking of the miniatures i like them, although the Bauhaus is strange, they're really different from the original, total new design. The Vulkan is too slim, it seems a normal soldier with a party costume.

It means that you will get BALANCED game (units, heroes and mechanic in general), as imbalance was one of reasons why Warzone was dying 3 times... and our goal is not to go that way

We want to make game where your strategy and Tactic is key to victory, not a brand new Army Book (if you got my point ).

Regarding Cybertronic model, its one of new heroes, more to come, including old ones.

Since we got you , could you please answer these questions as well?

1) Will the cards be collectible?
2) If the starters get released in plastic, does it mean that their price will drop?

Thanks for keeping us updated!

Usual waves of negativity from the very vocal minority of the dakka community i see . GOA pulled so i guess this is the new target. Just waiting for valera to join in with his normal cynicism guess hes still laughing about the demise of the GOA kickstarter. I swear if a company came up with awesome ruleset stunning models made in metal/plastic/resin (of course whichever material would be wrong ) and were giving it away gratis there would still be a bunch of people here ready to kick it in the teeth
seriously is this section of the community actually into wargames at all.

As expected, the Bauhaus redesign is stirring the old guard. Oh well, can't please them all...

By the way, the KS is about halfway there. Wonder how much they can get before the inevitable post 48 hours slump.

praetor24 wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 reppy wrote:
I hope that computer algorhytm means that the rules of the games follow a structure similar to computer algorhytm and not that a pc is needed to play....

Speaking of the miniatures i like them, although the Bauhaus is strange, they're really different from the original, total new design. The Vulkan is too slim, it seems a normal soldier with a party costume.

It means that you will get BALANCED game (units, heroes and mechanic in general), as imbalance was one of reasons why Warzone was dying 3 times... and our goal is not to go that way

We want to make game where your strategy and Tactic is key to victory, not a brand new Army Book (if you got my point ).

Regarding Cybertronic model, its one of new heroes, more to come, including old ones.

Since we got you , could you please answer these questions as well?

1) Will the cards be collectible?
2) If the starters get released in plastic, does it mean that their price will drop?

Thanks for keeping us updated!

answers blow.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
As expected, the Bauhaus redesign is stirring the old guard. Oh well, can't please them all...

By the way, the KS is about halfway there. Wonder how much they can get before the inevitable post 48 hours slump.

If by old guard you mean people not taken with the generic, uninspired, bare-bones FPS troopers and the cardboard Vulkan cosplayer you put out, then I agree.

phil751 wrote:
Usual waves of negativity from the very vocal minority of the dakka community i see . GOA pulled so i guess this is the new target. Just waiting for valera to join in with his normal cynicism guess hes still laughing about the demise of the GOA kickstarter. I swear if a company came up with awesome ruleset stunning models made in metal/plastic/resin (of course whichever material would be wrong ) and were giving it away gratis there would still be a bunch of people here ready to kick it in the teeth
seriously is this section of the community actually into wargames at all.

Thanks

 -DE- wrote:
If by old guard you mean people not taken with the generic, uninspired, bare-bones FPS troopers and the cardboard Vulkan cosplayer you put out, then I agree.

Yeah, exactly those people.

Before I answer your questions I feel that I need to explain something:
Why cards, to open up unlimited spectrum of strategies, tactics and combos in game…

Have 3 types of cards in game, Strategy, Global Strategy and Gear.
Strategy cards can affect your quads characteristic/ change type of weapon (issue different ammo type, or change type of your squad armour) for one Game Round (can be negated by enemy), also they can affect the game mechanic a bit (again in balanced way).

Global strategy, these cards can affect battlefield (for instance you can drop “Fog bomb” which is reducing all range of weapons by ½) or you can boos cover save, or remove cover save or create cover in open terrain ect…. For one Round (can be negated by enemy..

Gear Card, these are basically upgrades to your squad, mainly affecting weapons but also can give squad special abilities (for instance “medic packs” can give your squad Heal Roll – negates effect on Wound, on (1-4 on D20) - 20%) these cards stay with squad until is negated by enemy.

Every card has its value so you have to buy strategy, nnd how? You have Res points (resources), you start game with X number of Res Cards (depending on class of your hero), then every round you can add one from your hand.

Answer to your question is No, but we will make special pack (different drawing only) for peoples who would like to have a “special” issued cards (for example kickstarter ones)

For us, most important is game balance, and having “Rare Cards” won’t help!

Regarding plastic, yes we you will get lost of free stuff once we hit “plastic stretch goal”. 

The movie with game play will be up this weekend!

It's totally cool to simply say "see the above post for info about cards" rather than cut and paste it. People can scroll up or load a previous page.

Good to hear about the game play video. And that the cards won't be about fishing for rares. And that the computer algorithm thing is about balance and not needing a computer at the table.

The plastic issue hasn' t been clarified though. Will the retail MSRP change if the starters are made plastic? When you say "plastic" what material do you mean?

Also, I absolutely love the brotherhood renders. Can't wait to see pics of actual miniatures for those.

 agustin wrote:
The computer algorithm thing is even more worrisome than cards in my opinion.

I don't think anyone has declared it dead whatsoever. At this point, a lot of the criticism has been quite constructive.

Scorning and "constructive criticism" are separated by a very thin line sir. We the very list we can do is encourage antagonism since that is the only way to have cheaper and better products. GW and their childish 40k has been around the block for quite some time and the only reason we keep on playing is the lack of other alternatives. I too was into warzone in the 90s and I missed the game despite the horrific miniatures. Any way I hope for the best and I am gonna contribute my money on this, keeping my fingers crossed and waiting for chronopia .

 Capamaru wrote:

 agustin wrote:
The computer algorithm thing is even more worrisome than cards in my opinion.

I don't think anyone has declared it dead whatsoever. At this point, a lot of the criticism has been quite constructive.

Scorning and "constructive criticism" are separated by a very thin line sir. We the very list we can do is encourage antagonism since that is the only way to have cheaper and better products. GW and their childish 40k has been around the block for quite some time and the only reason we keep on playing is the lack of other alternatives. I too was into warzone in the 90s and I missed the game despite the horrific miniatures. Any way I hope for the best and I am gonna contribute my money on this, keeping my fingers crossed and waiting for chronopia .

Thanks .... can say much but Chronopia is also in "our brains"

 Capamaru wrote:

 agustin wrote:
The computer algorithm thing is even more worrisome than cards in my opinion.

I don't think anyone has declared it dead whatsoever. At this point, a lot of the criticism has been quite constructive.

Scorning and "constructive criticism" are separated by a very thin line sir. We the very list we can do is encourage antagonism since that is the only way to have cheaper and better products. GW and their childish 40k has been around the block for quite some time and the only reason we keep on playing is the lack of other alternatives. I too was into warzone in the 90s and I missed the game despite the horrific miniatures. Any way I hope for the best and I am gonna contribute my money on this, keeping my fingers crossed and waiting for chronopia .

No, scorn and constructive criticism are worlds apart. Sometimes people may confuse one for the other, but they accomplish the exact opposite of one another.

I absolutely want to see this project succeed. I even swapped my avatar in honour of it. I've also told all my local gaming buddies about it. I have an awesome local store that I buy from and I've already emailed them about it and placed my pre-order with them for a Brotherhood and Dark Legion starter. While I may not be directly contributing to the Kickstarter, I'm going to make damn sure that a local group of players gets into the game and that my local store brings it in for us.

I think a lot of the Kickstarter specific criticism has been super constructive. As in that addressing real issues can help bring in more pledges from people who might be sitting on the fence.

My favorite thing about this new Warzone is that it is happening. Regardless of the KS, starter sets are getting released this summer. The Kickstarter is also funding rapidly and is already half way to be funded. So it looks like Bauhaus will be a reality as well. I hope it goes farther and that my questions and suggestions can help get it there.

EDIT: If there was one available, I would also put a Warzone KS banner as my signature like how I see some DreamForge KS ones still around. That'd be awesome.

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The only faction I care about is Bauhaus, and I'm concerned at the concept art. I won't be pledging until I see some modelling/sculpts done... they're just too generic and boring as is. I always liked Bauhaus because of the... severity?... of their armor. Not sure how to better describe it.

phil751 wrote:
Usual waves of negativity from the very vocal minority of the dakka community i see . GOA pulled so i guess this is the new target. Just waiting for valera to join in with his normal cynicism guess hes still laughing about the demise of the GOA kickstarter. I swear if a company came up with awesome ruleset stunning models made in metal/plastic/resin (of course whichever material would be wrong ) and were giving it away gratis there would still be a bunch of people here ready to kick it in the teeth
seriously is this section of the community actually into wargames at all.

There's a difference between constructive criticism (which much in this thread has been) and outright hating. GoA attracted quite a lot of criticism, as it was atrociously run. This one is a bit of a disappointment, as there are no real incentives to back for those of us outside of the UK - it'll be cheaper at retail, after all. Another, quite relevant and fair criticism is the fact that they don't appear to have a native English speaker proofreading their content, as displayed by the use of "Fraction" instead of "Faction". While it might seem a minor thing, we're looking at a rulebook as a key part of the forthcoming game. This KS has a much more realistic target than GoA, which is to be expected as they apparently are close to production. They will have no problem hitting their target given the pledge levels so far achieved. How far they get down the stretch goal road is what remains to be seen.

I'm personally quite disappointed in the fact that it's a KS, and moreso that it's a low-value KS (no savings from RRP - so why bother?) I'll follow this thread and reply to commentary from time to time, but my excitement in the re-release has pretty much been squashed - at least until it hits retail, when I'll probably buy a few things rather than going big on the KS. Though I'm now much more likely to dig out my old figures and 1st Edition rulebook for some skirmish fun at home with friends, so that's something at least.

Ooo, do not love those Hussars. They remind me too much of the minions you'd see in an old Flash Gordon serial.

phil751 wrote:
Usual waves of negativity from the very vocal minority of the dakka community i see . GOA pulled so i guess this is the new target. Just waiting for valera to join in with his normal cynicism guess hes still laughing about the demise of the GOA kickstarter. I swear if a company came up with awesome ruleset stunning models made in metal/plastic/resin (of course whichever material would be wrong ) and were giving it away gratis there would still be a bunch of people here ready to kick it in the teeth
seriously is this section of the community actually into wargames at all.

You tell 'em, One Post Wonder!

phil751 wrote:
Usual waves of negativity from the very vocal minority of the dakka community i see . GOA pulled so i guess this is the new target. Just waiting for valera to join in with his normal cynicism guess hes still laughing about the demise of the GOA kickstarter. I swear if a company came up with awesome ruleset stunning models made in metal/plastic/resin (of course whichever material would be wrong ) and were giving it away gratis there would still be a bunch of people here ready to kick it in the teeth
seriously is this section of the community actually into wargames at all.

I really hope you never go to Board Game Geek....

Tell me the following dorky pose is optional? Please?

Actually you have to build them all that way. I'm very sorry.

phil751 wrote:
Usual waves of negativity from the very vocal minority of the dakka community i see . GOA pulled so i guess this is the new target. Just waiting for valera to join in with his normal cynicism guess hes still laughing about the demise of the GOA kickstarter. I swear if a company came up with awesome ruleset stunning models made in metal/plastic/resin (of course whichever material would be wrong ) and were giving it away gratis there would still be a bunch of people here ready to kick it in the teeth
seriously is this section of the community actually into wargames at all.

Oh no doubt. At least there are space zombies in this one.