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Thows Bauhaus guys look realy good. I like them. Might have to get in on this kickstarter.

>.<

It's to bad these minis are all resin. I had some sort of misguided hope in the back of my mind that they might be plastics. lol

The starter boxes will become plastic via one (or more) of the later stretch goals (70K I think)

But I think the 'extras' are planned to stay resin at the moment

(note we've had no respose to questions about what sort of plastci they intend, ie GW style for polystyrene cement, PP style for superglue, or whatever)

 Bishop to B7 wrote:
Well why would someone wear 2 inch thick full body armor plating and then a blood red beret?

Berets means you mean business!

Unless you're the BB Standalone game models in which case you look stupid

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
The starter boxes will become plastic via one (or more) of the later stretch goals (70K I think)

But I think the 'extras' are planned to stay resin at the moment

(note we've had no respose to questions about what sort of plastci they intend, ie GW style for polystyrene cement, PP style for superglue, or whatever)

If they go plastic will it be the same amount of mini's, or will they include more?

Always intrigued by Warzone since I bought one of those big bags of 80 plastic troopers ages ago. The game was dead at this point but the 2000AD-esque look always had me interested.

It's my birthday shortly after the KS ends so I'll probably use the cash injection to pledge since I really like what I see so far, especially the Bauhaus redesigns. It's refreshing to see a company listen to what it's fanbase want's.

I fail to see why it is positive that the figures are made ​​of plastic. Personally I would certainly like to have them in resin. What are the advantages of plastic, except that they are less expensive to manufacture.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Ronin_eX wrote:
Made me think my Venusian Rangers were sleazy euro trash playboys... With bread bags on their feet...

That sounds like Max Steiner all right...

Right down to the bread bags on the feet... or am I thinking of Howard Hughes now?

 Octopussy wrote:
I fail to see why it is positive that the figures are made ​​of plastic. Personally I would certainly like to have them in resin. What are the advantages of plastic, except that they are less expensive to manufacture.

One advantage is that you can use cement instead of super glue, which some people like myself are allergic to.
Another question is: Is it even possible to use the same molds for resin and plastic? This sounds like a decision that should be taken early.

If it's spun-cast plastic then it'll require superglue; and is probably what they're talking about (can use the same molds basically)

Spun cast plastic, isnt that what Bones is? A way of producing ultra cheap minis as fast as metall. This sems like the first step not something you will do if you get a pledge of 70.000 quid. Are thay talking of injektion molds?

Hmm unless they go to the people who are doing WGF/Malifaux/WWX, I doubt they'll do hard plastic (other well known option being Renedra but Renedra is notorious for being backlogged/slow so no way a new company is going to get any products done by them by June)

I'm assuming the PP plastics

 Octopussy wrote:
I fail to see why it is positive that the figures are made ​​of plastic. Personally I would certainly like to have them in resin. What are the advantages of plastic, except that they are less expensive to manufacture.

In the long run plastic injection styrene is cheaper to produce, ship, less miscast, the molds last forever, you can use styrene glue that melts and if done right can kill gap lines... and in this guys opinion is the best overall medium for miniatures. Especially if we want to see a company last more than its release.

I love resin for: garage kits, specialty kits, vehicles, low production models, mom&pop game companies.

IMHO, this product needs to hit the shelves in a big way, needs to come out swinging and needs to be widely accessible. The numbers needed are prohibitive for resin and the rigorous QC/QA that it would entail. Injection molded polystyrene, or the cheaper high ABS, need to be used.

 Octopussy wrote:
Spun cast plastic, isnt that what Bones is? A way of producing ultra cheap minis as fast as metall. This sems like the first step not something you will do if you get a pledge of 70.000 quid. Are thay talking of injektion molds?

Spuncast plastic as in Trollforged. All the details of metal but cheaper.

xraytango wrote:
I love resin for: garage kits, specialty kits, vehicles, low production models, mom&pop game companies.

IMHO, this product needs to hit the shelves in a big way, needs to come out swinging and needs to be widely accessible. The numbers needed are prohibitive for resin and the rigorous QC/QA that it would entail. Injection molded polystyrene, or the cheaper high ABS, need to be used.

Bassicly this was the 1st thing going threw my head personally when I asked the question. Let's face it, GW games are the dominate game. Every newer players who get into this hobby ATM, probly got into it threw GW games. Because of this one of the things that was always a barrier to entry for alot of other games in my experience can be the modleing skill required for some games.

-Anyone can slap plastic glue on some Ork Boyz and a battlewagon.
-It's another thing to be able to pin metal Warjacks, and know how to work with resin kits.

For newer players and thows who lack modleing skills injection plastic wins hands down.

I believe that Bones are more a high vinyl/pvc material much like what micromachines and heroclix are/were made from.

IIRC they talked about them being cast in metal molds (injection) but due to undercuts and keeping things simple they needed a material that had give to it, unlike a multipart sprue that is cast in polystyrene.

Plastic also has the advantage that it won't give you lung cancer or other respiratory problems because you needed to file some mold lines.

Sigh... model resin does not give you lung cancer when filed.

It is small particles of a certain size in general that can cause lung cancer. I.e. even flour when evenly distributed in the air and inhaled can cause lung cancer when it is ground to the right size.

 Duncan_Idaho wrote:
Sigh... model resin does not give you lung cancer when filed.
It is small particles of a certain size in general that can cause lung cancer. I.e. even flour when evenly distributed in the air and inhaled can cause lung cancer when it is ground to the right size.

Which means ... model resin can give you lung cancer when filed
The health hazard warnings for certain resin products are there for a reason.

Plastic vs. resin/metal:
- There are many who prefer plastic over resin/metal, there are few who prefer resin/metal over plastic.
- Plastic weighs less then most resin, that keeps the costs down for transport (and storage). Plastic saves backs!
- Plastic has a higher startup cost, but a far lower unit cost, if sold enough it should be cheaper then resin/plastic.
- Plastic tends to be more flexible then resin/metal, so far less damaged due to falling.
- If the right plastic is used, it can be glued with plastic glue that creates a bond that is far stronger then any super glue bond. And as mentioned earlier, some people are either allergic to super glue or folks just hate getting super glue on their fingers.
- If the right plastic is used, cleaning up mold lines is easier and conversions can be done a lot easier.
- Plastic tends to generate a more consistent quality in the products.

And let's not forget, we hope that when Prodos turns the units from resin into plastic it either gets cheaper or we get more stuff for the same price...

Reaper Bones is PVC cast in metal molds, quite expensive.
Renedra isn't the only plastic miniatures manufacturer in the UK.
Trollforged plastic is spuncast and the current materials used don't work with plastic glue, that's a choice Ed made. He mentioned that he could change those properties of the plastic, but that would impact the hardness of the plastic, he went for hardness.
Older players who have modeling skills don't always want to employ those time consuming skills on a bunch of new gaming figures...

@Kroothawk

Under certain circumstances this might be possible, but you would need a high-speed sander that distributes the particles in the whole room. But the same can happen when sanding wood. And you would need to sand a good chunk of the mini to get enough dust.

@Renedra

No longer.

You seem to forgot that plastic models tend to either be extremely multiparted to allow them the luxury of not look as if they were flat pressed (which they are) and that they cannot have organic forms/ undercuts.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
You seem to forgot that plastic models tend to either be extremely multiparted to allow them the luxury of not look as if they were flat pressed (which they are) and that they cannot have organic forms/ undercuts.

They certainly can have organic forms. Not to mention undercuts, that just requires a more complex mold.

Just because certain manufacturers create crappy plastic models that are inorganic and have no undercuts does not mean this the nature of the material used. That is like saying that resin is warped crap because Forgeworld regularly produces warped resin crap.

If you want to look at high quality plastic kits, take a look at Gundam kits that are not two or three decades old. While those are inorganic, they are highly complex and actually a breeze to put together (although they can be time consuming).

And let's not forget that resin/metal does not have free reign with pose (which has actually nothing to do with organic vs. inorganic) and undercuts. Sure they have more leeway due to the molds being more flexible then metal, but if you go to far, the mold breaks or even if you go a little the mold still deteriorates faster (due to strain on those parts when demolding. Many resin/metal models are still multipart and due to the flexibility of the mold tend to create less accuracy in the fitting of multiple parts...

So, you agree that they need to be extremely multipart, in order to avoid all the above.

Bandai kits are great, if you go for Master Grade and Perfect Grade, but the parts countdown is in the hundreds.

Sliding mould technology is even more expensive (yes GW has it they just do not use it for some reason barring a few kits) and it does not stop the parts countdown to skyrocket.

Plastic is not a panacea and it has its limitations as all mediums have, is it worth the transition from a 3 parts model to a lets say 10 parts model just to be in plastic?

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
So, you agree that they need to be extremely multipart, in order to avoid all the above.

Bandai kits are great, if you go for Master Grade and Perfect Grade, but the parts countdown is in the hundreds.

Extremely isn't necessary, but generally a quick fix to really complex molds.

Even the regular Bandai Gundam plastic kits are light years ahead of anything in the current plastic wargames scene. Different colors plastic and different materials on the same sprue. Virtually no moldlines, NO flash, can be assembled without glue, and has many points of articulation.

Sliding mould technology is even more expensive (yes GW has it they just do not use it for some reason barring a few kits) and it does not stop the parts countdown to skyrocket.

Sliding molds can be used to combat the skyrocketing number of parts, but it is generally not done due to cost of the procedure.

Plastic is not a panacea and it has its limitations as all mediums have, is it worth the transition from a 3 parts model to a lets say 10 parts model just to be in plastic?

For me absolutely! I suspect for many more it's the same vs. the few that would prefer less parts in resin/metal. I suspect that there's also a large group that would accept less dynamic models in plastic vs. more dynamic models in resin/metal.

Just look what Dreamforge is doing with their new plastics, that's a new company (which does have the backing of an experienced plastic manufacturer in China). Look at the Shadowkesh Beast Handler, it's very dynamic: https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/287068/posts/371487/image-193763-full.jpg

I would like to know how close to WZ/MC background will you make various units? For example: will Cybertronic non A.I. forces have better strenght than nonaugmented humans from other corps?

What is the difference between metal molds and spuncast?

Regarding the cards, if I'm to understand this correctly;

* Each faction will have their own standard deck of 75 cards.

* Some/All squads will have a small number of cards specifically for them.

Will both the Factions and Squad cards be purchasable as separate items? Or downloadable?

My biggest concern about the cards is if that dynamic is specifically designed for one-one-one play, or if it also accounts for multi-player combat (both as teams and free-for-all games)? What drove my gaming group to WarZone in the first place, back in the good ol' days of 1E., was that it was such a superb free-for-all game. In fact, still the best we've tried, and that's the factor that will decide if we give it another try.

The first Vulkan WIPs renders

Warzone just surpassed Empire of the Dead

Wonder if it'll catch up to WWX?