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The Cybertronic Erradicator:

This ~5" high model will ship in August.

It is a WIP and will receive lots of fine detailing over the next month, bringing it fully in line with the Warzone Resurrection Cybertronic concepts.

After Kickstarter RRP £39.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/513277403/mutant-chronicles-warzone-resurrection

I'm willing to be that that's a rather large and complex model, it's certainly very detailed but yes it is rather expensive. On the plus side though (and this is a big plus) Prodos have again managed modernise the old design really well.

EDIT: Ninja'd yeah 5" tall that's pretty big.

What's wrong with the price? It is nearly twice the height of a dreadnought. Considering the size, the KS price is a steal to me. And even afterwards at the £39 price tag, it compares favourably to the larger Warmachine units. This sucker is going to be big, but the price doesn't seem out of the ordinary for a unit of its size when you compare it to other stuff in the skirmish game market.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Not a fan of the head. The rest of the model is pretty solid but the saw edge of the mask on head is pretty horrible. They'd be better off smoothing it out.

@Lockart

Still wanna compare pricing with GW?

That model is going to be larger then a dread. They are quoteing at 5" tall and made of resin. This is taller then a contemptor if I am correct.

Compared to a Forgeworld Contempor that is 32 GBP and you then pay another 8GBP per arm. so 48 GBP in total.

So yah. Still cheaper then GW. =P

 Ronin_eX wrote:
What's wrong with the price? It is nearly twice the height of a dreadnought. Considering the size, the KS price is a steal to me. And even afterwards at the £39 price tag, it compares favourably to the larger Warmachine units. This sucker is going to be big, but the price doesn't seem out of the ordinary for a unit of its size when you compare it to other stuff in the skirmish game market.

Very true, I'm just the sort of person who winces when I spend that much on a single model no matter how big/good it is (limited hobby budget). For a model of that size in resin £39 RRP is in fact pretty good value. Then again I really shouldn't complain too much as I have put an extra £52.25 onto my pledge for a Grizzly.

Or compare it to a Wraithlord or Dreadknight which is of similar size instead of picking something that isn't meant to be part of the primary range of the company you originally compared it to. This is part of the primary range of the company not a product of a sub company.

You could also compare it to the likely price of $45 for the 4.5" Leviathans coming out tooled in plastic by Dreamforge.

Oh, and 5" isn't nearly twice as tall. Dreads are generally between 3.5" and 4" tall and almost as wide. This is taller but lighter in appearance and width.

Don't get me wrong, it's an decent model. The price point is just at one that most people complain about when it's GW. And no, it's not comparable to what's non-GW out on the market. Privateer press non-character jacks are generally between $30-$45. Which makes them signiicantly cheaper than this model.

Just throwing the information out there.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Or compare it to a Wraithlord or Dreadknight which is of similar size instead of picking something that isn't meant to be part of the primary range of the company you originally compared it to. This is part of the primary range of the company not a product of a sub company.

Resin kit Vs. Resin kit. Seems a fair comparison.

But if you would rather a plastic kit.
I pay $65.50 CAD for a greyknight dreadknight.

at 28.5 GBP I pay $43.69 CAD for this new kit.

The wraithlord comes closer to this price point, at $46.25 CAD. But agien that's a plastic kit compared to a resin kit.

I think the point still stands.

As dreamforge ruined everything else for us? It was the first comparison my mind went for.

And since I have a slew of extra arms coming with them... I can outfit them like this one used to... even the "gigadeath chainripper."

Seriously, I suggest we look at the old metal model, accept that Prodos has done a good job of actualising it (getting rid of the "chiki-fee") and they will tweek it a bit if enough constructive feedback is given. Not whining. Specific, constructive feedback.

 Nick Ellingworth wrote:

 Ronin_eX wrote:
What's wrong with the price? It is nearly twice the height of a dreadnought. Considering the size, the KS price is a steal to me. And even afterwards at the £39 price tag, it compares favourably to the larger Warmachine units. This sucker is going to be big, but the price doesn't seem out of the ordinary for a unit of its size when you compare it to other stuff in the skirmish game market.

Very true, I'm just the sort of person who winces when I spend that much on a single model no matter how big/good it is (limited hobby budget). For a model of that size in resin £39 RRP is in fact pretty good value. Then again I really shouldn't complain too much as I have put an extra £52.25 onto my pledge for a Grizzly.

Oh, I hear ya man. I am now staring at this and a Grizzly for my pledge. And I still have other stuff I want to pick on top of that. I am going to have to pull out all the stops with my wife at this point...

I'm just glad I'm only in for two factions!

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
As dreamforge ruined everything else for us? It was the first comparison my mind went for.

And since I have a slew of extra arms coming with them... I can outfit them like this one used to... even the "gigadeath chainripper."

Seriously, I suggest we look at the old metal model, accept that Prodos has done a good job of actualising it (getting rid of the "chiki-fee") and they will tweek it a bit if enough constructive feedback is given. Not whining. Specific, constructive feedback.

It actually looks kinda cool. It's just the "face" is really silly looking. Keep the shape, but get rid of the shark face and it would look perfect.

While I don't care at all since cybertronic is my least favorite of the factions, I think the face is from some of the black and white art in the rpgs if I remember right. They had more of a shark look to them, maybe even the jagged edge. This is assuming my memory is right after 12 years, I don't have the cybertronic rpg any more. I think it looks nice but I have never been into robots and mechs much myself so they can keep it as is or change it up and I wouldn't care

 Ronin_eX wrote:

 Nick Ellingworth wrote:

 Ronin_eX wrote:
What's wrong with the price? It is nearly twice the height of a dreadnought. Considering the size, the KS price is a steal to me. And even afterwards at the £39 price tag, it compares favourably to the larger Warmachine units. This sucker is going to be big, but the price doesn't seem out of the ordinary for a unit of its size when you compare it to other stuff in the skirmish game market.

Very true, I'm just the sort of person who winces when I spend that much on a single model no matter how big/good it is (limited hobby budget). For a model of that size in resin £39 RRP is in fact pretty good value. Then again I really shouldn't complain too much as I have put an extra £52.25 onto my pledge for a Grizzly.

Oh, I hear ya man. I am now staring at this and a Grizzly for my pledge. And I still have other stuff I want to pick on top of that. I am going to have to pull out all the stops with my wife at this point...

I'm just glad I'm only in for two factions!

I'm just lucky that Cybertronic are off my shopping list as a friend is going in for them. I bet that within a few days Dark Legion and Brotherhood will have something big to tempt me though.

madzerker wrote:
While I don't care at all since cybertronic is my least favorite of the factions, I think the face is from some of the black and white art in the rpgs if I remember right. They had more of a shark look to them, maybe even the jagged edge. This is assuming my memory is right after 12 years, I don't have the cybertronic rpg any more. I think it looks nice but I have never been into robots and mechs much myself so they can keep it as is or change it up and I wouldn't care

Even if the orginal art at it with a shark face, it would be nice for them to update the look and move away from it. Like I said you could still keep the shape.

I really like the new Eradicator, it looks both sinister, a bit silly and a little cute (in a certain light ) but all in a good way! Sure I'm not surprised people don't like the face but as an old fanboy it gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling . Maybe the thighs should be a little bit rounded though, to match all the other slightly rounded surfaces?

 Lockark wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Or compare it to a Wraithlord or Dreadknight which is of similar size instead of picking something that isn't meant to be part of the primary range of the company you originally compared it to. This is part of the primary range of the company not a product of a sub company.

Resin kit Vs. Resin kit. Seems a fair comparison.

But if you would rather a plastic kit.
I pay $65.50 CAD for a greyknight dreadknight.

at 28.5 GBP I pay $43.69 CAD for this new kit.

The wraithlord comes closer to this price point, at $46.25 CAD. But agien that's a plastic kit compared to a resin kit.

I think the point still stands.

Now your changing the game again and applying the discount and not the retail price. Retail price is similar. Wanna compare kickstarter? I got Dreamforges 4.5" Leviathan that's going to be insanely detailed (per the product already received) with two swappable arms for $30. I'm pointing out similar product for a primary game. Material shouldn't enter into it but since you're deciding it should then resin should be cheaper for a company that isn't tooling plastic machines to sell 10's of thousands. That's one of the reasons people are so mad at GW's finecast (by far not the only reason).

Simple fact is that this models pricing is actually higher than similar product for skirmish games. But, unlike other items, at least this one is discounted enough from it's high price to offer a value to people on the kickstarter greater than those waiting for general retail which I applaud.

 c0un7_z3r0 wrote:
I really like the new Eradicator, it looks both sinister, a bit silly and a little cute (in a certain light ) but all in a good way! Sure I'm not surprised people don't like the face but as an old fanboy it gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling . Maybe the thighs should be a little bit rounded though, to match all the other slightly rounded surfaces?

the face cone is the only rounded surface realy, maby make the cone more angled like the shoulder pads and legs? (Regardless of if it keeps the face or not.)

Prodos wrote:
it was less than a week ago we changed the Hussars with that in mind only to upset some to a significant amount e.g Pyscotic storm). We have 10 or so different designs going now, all of which get exceedingly positive feedback and rage like fury in equal amounts.

I would guess Pyscotic Storm is a typo and this refers to me.

I would call it vastly disappointed, but I guess "upset" could also fit, yes, it was a great shift from what I liked to what I viewed as an bad anachronism and a major design shift towards the project.

I don't understand the comment about 10 different designs going on now, is it about the hussars, hasn't this settled to one final design, or you mean that after 10 designs you settled on the final and none was really well accepted? If it is the later I personally am opposed to how radical the design shift was and the direction it implies for the project as a whole, yes its difficult to please everybody, but changing the direction mid project is a warning sign, just place angelica next to the new hussars, which you have not done by the way, except in the tiny picture at the bottom and they seem to be from different factions, so radical was the design shift.

The recent micro pledge level was an understandable reaction, if we reach 75k we will give you the right to buy more stuff? you could have easily just posted here are some extra stuff to help us reach reach that capitol level and not receive much flack about it, you failed to detail what the conversion to plastic will bring to the customer, what extras if any and what parts, likewise the conversion kits look like a poor deal especially if it a 5K stretch goal.

Eradicator deathdroid, not a fan really, to be entirely fair its a great modernization of the design and frankly I am not sure if it could be any better while retaining its ties to the past.

Glad to hear Laura is getting a redesign, that might improve her much, any news on renders of the other units that exist only as artworks?

That 'chainsaw' thingy needs to be on a longer arm or have a longer saw as it looks like it can't reach the ground as is

troops would be able to avoid it by sucking/crouching

(unless it's anti-vehical only)

 Hulksmash wrote:

Oh, and 5" isn't nearly twice as tall. Dreads are generally between 3.5" and 4" tall and almost as wide. This is taller but lighter in appearance and width.
Just throwing the information out there.

Rly, 3.5" to 4", I need to phone FW as they sent me some mini version is not even close to 2.5"..
5" ,from base to head is Trygon.

What faction can use the Grizzly?

I'm concerned about the redesign of laura. I think the render is very cool and if you are able to cover her ass with an alternativ cloak I don't see the point in all the hate. But whatever, I don't want to get you guys upset again. In my opinion this would be a great model.
I really like the redesign of the deathegg. It's much the same as i was expecting it to look like. Would be great if the machinegun would be a bit bulkier, though. But prodos said this is wip and will see changes till the final look. The fin is a nice add


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 Alpharius wrote:
What faction can use the Grizzly?

Bauhaus

 Alpharius wrote:
What faction can use the Grizzly?

Bauhaus

 Octopussy wrote:
Eilif i think you can trade in the Tshirt for kredits and buy something else.

That would be good news. I'll be watching to see if this is the case.

rhavien wrote:
I'm concerned about the redesign of laura. I think the render is very cool and if you are able to cover her ass with an alternativ cloak I don't see the point in all the hate. But whatever, I don't want to get you guys upset again. In my opinion this would be a great model.
I really like the redesign of the deathegg. It's much the same as i was expecting it to look like. Would be great if the machinegun would be a bit bulkier, though. But prodos said this is wip and will see changes till the final look. The fin is a nice add

 Alpharius wrote:
What faction can use the Grizzly?

Bauhaus

I'm with you there - I thought he render was pretty nice!

And thanks for the Grizzly Bauhaus connection.

I'm leaning towards Brotherhood and Bauhaus currently, maybe the Dark Legion... and maybe Capitol, if the football helmets and baseball caps are gone!

The foot/baseball gear went out the window already in 2nd edition. They were replaced with RCMP hats. Oh well, it was SOME kind of improvement at least.

The render was ok, but, it felt rough in some places, but whatever, a bit uninspiring though for a special character, it can get improved.

god.ra wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:

Oh, and 5" isn't nearly twice as tall. Dreads are generally between 3.5" and 4" tall and almost as wide. This is taller but lighter in appearance and width.
Just throwing the information out there.

Rly, 3.5" to 4", I need to phone FW as they sent me some mini version is not even close to 2.5"..
5" ,from base to head is Trygon.

Spoiler:

I just want to say thanks for that pic. I don't actully own a SM dreadnaught anymore, but was prety sure it wasn't as tall as he was saying. Good to know my memory wasn't failing me.

Personaly after haveing to put up with the high canadian prices for GW games here in canada, I'm prety exciteing for anything that won't burn nearly as bad a whole in my wallet.


So I'm pretty exciteing for this game. (Never enjoyed Warmahord witch is the only other game I'm seen that's widely played ATM. So realy hope this catches on.)

Really like the eradicators, tough the weapons need to get bigger.

I don't like the new Mishima samurai I'm out! Come on guys so far Prodos has been responsive to constructive comments, I know that great designs for some people are a disaster for others but to say that you are out after the 1st render of a figure seems unreasonable to me.

On the new Deathegg, I like the new legs, much more balanced than in the original figure but I'm not sure about the shark face. I hope it gets a chaingun optional weapon.

M.

Prodos wrote:
The Cybertronic Erradicator:

LOL! It's back!
Never could bring myself to assemble the one I had because of the silly feet...

This WIP is a huge improvement, but I think it does need some work:

Chain blade at least 50%, if not 100% longer
Arm gun needs to be scaled up quite a bit; 50%?
Feet could be larger as well

Overall height
5" is really huge on the table top. At 6" you are looking at Knight Titans in 40K.
Going from old artwork, they look to be about 3x human height, so maybe 3.5" tall?
Anyone have an assembled model that they can measure for height?

Pics, especially second from the bottom:
http://hem.passagen.se/alitna/warzone.htm

As god.ra says, GW dreads are less than 2.5" tall so these would be HUGE at 5" tall. Would suggest bringing them back down to 3 - 3.5". Might have a significant effect on the cost as well...

Tim