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@spartan059 cheers that's a great help, off I go to pledge.

Anyone interested in mishima should pledge the kickastarter at £30 because even if they don't get unlocked exchange your box for 5 limited edition minis that you can later sell for profit, and buy mishima for that money once they get released.

Or just chip in for the mishima doomtrooper and increase with £30 later.

...So this alone has me thinking of starting a Cybertronic army first:

EDIT: Ha ha, I beat Prodos by seconds... I won't steal their thunder.

Meet the rendered Cybertronic Scorpion (posted above, thanks Ratbot)

Unlock Update:

£125k Mishima Doomtrooper is now playable

£130k Blood Beret Doomtrooper Andrew Drougan - Unlocked (good name call The Dungen and Ronin)

Yeah, this thing is pretty amazing and I don't even care what they do in game, I'll probably include as many as I can in my army.

 TheDungen wrote:
Anyone interested in mishima should pledge the kickastarter at £30 because even if they don't get unlocked exchange your box for 5 limited edition minis that you can later sell for profit, and buy mishima for that money once they get released.

Or just chip in for the mishima doomtrooper and increase with £30 later.

Get the single starter box for £30, plus the doom trooper for £3.8 I'd say. If we don't get the misima starter, get another one to sell on Ebay, and keep your doom trooper plus his cards for your self in worst case scenario.


At the time of this post we are £8,767 from mishima. If we can get a good push in the last 27 hours we will be set.

oops...

I did it! or rather you did it... that's so awesome. I'll get one extra and sign the cartoon as the guy who suggested the name! who knows it may become a collectors item some day. =)

 Ronin_eX wrote:


Vorreiter!!!!

They are looking pretty damn good so far. Basically look like open-top one-man IFVs.

Pretty cool concept. With dual independent treads it can steer like a tank. Reminds me a bit of a fully tracked snowmobile.
Was not planning on getting these, but with a bit more work ...

They do still need a lot of work.
Guns
Guns and mount are quite boring and the guns are tiny for WarZone guns. Doubling (at least) the size of the muzzles, making the water jackets 50% larger and fluting the water jackets would be a good way to start.

As someone else mentioned, feet on the exhaust pipes are a problem.

Sides need a lot more detail; panel lines, road wheel mounting point access and perhaps more mechanical detail.
Does not need to he heavy detail like the Capitol stuff but there needs to be something. The Vorreiter is a pretty complex piece of machinery and access to the guts will certainly be needed.

actually turning in that manner doesn't work very well with the tracks close together. You get more torque the further the track units are from the axis of rotation, the old version of the bike was actually more plausible.

 TheDungen wrote:
actually turning in that manner doesn't work very well with the tracks close together. You get more torque the further the track units are from the axis of rotation, the old version of the bike was actually more plausible.

I'm thinking of track brakes. If the rider hits one track brake hard and leans the bike to the braked track side, I'm thinking it will be possible to make a very tight turn at low to medium speeds and a fairly tight skid turns at higher speeds.

Reversing one track should make the bike spin in place just like a tank.

timd wrote:

 TheDungen wrote:
actually turning in that manner doesn't work very well with the tracks close together. You get more torque the further the track units are from the axis of rotation, the old version of the bike was actually more plausible.

I'm thinking of track brakes. If the rider hits one track brake hard and leans the bike to the braked track side, I'm thinking it will be possible to make a very tight turn at low to medium speeds and a fairly tight skid turns at higher speeds.

Reversing one track should make the bike spin in place just like a tank.

Exactly, leaning was always part of the concept. Each grip controls 1 track

Prodos wrote:

timd wrote:

 TheDungen wrote:
actually turning in that manner doesn't work very well with the tracks close together. You get more torque the further the track units are from the axis of rotation, the old version of the bike was actually more plausible.

I'm thinking of track brakes. If the rider hits one track brake hard and leans the bike to the braked track side, I'm thinking it will be possible to make a very tight turn at low to medium speeds and a fairly tight skid turns at higher speeds.

Reversing one track should make the bike spin in place just like a tank.

Exactly, leaning was always part of the concept. Each grip controls 1 track

I think its going to need foot controls too. There are two brakes, two clutches, a throttle and a gear shift...

T

timd wrote:

Prodos wrote:

timd wrote:

 TheDungen wrote:
actually turning in that manner doesn't work very well with the tracks close together. You get more torque the further the track units are from the axis of rotation, the old version of the bike was actually more plausible.

I'm thinking of track brakes. If the rider hits one track brake hard and leans the bike to the braked track side, I'm thinking it will be possible to make a very tight turn at low to medium speeds and a fairly tight skid turns at higher speeds.

Reversing one track should make the bike spin in place just like a tank.

Exactly, leaning was always part of the concept. Each grip controls 1 track

I think its going to need foot controls too. There are two brakes, two clutches, a throttle and a gear shift...

T

Yah, I've thought that too.

It looks a little to heavy to lean, though yeah if it could be it would remove the problem.

reversing a track when going at any mentionable speed would be a bad idea(but great for turning when standing still). Not even tanks (which sits a lot more comfortably on the ground) do that when moving fast they just run one track slower than the other and allow torque and their considerable weight to do the rest.
The torque here is as i said considerably lower but if it can be tilted yeah then it works, it gets less friction and less torque that way but since most of its rotation will come from the leaning, its possible.

It all comes down to what its made of and how powerful its engines are. you may be able to pull of a torque turn on that providing you can get enough speed difference between the tracks without crashing. You may be able to do a lean turn providing it slight enough.

the move with reversing an engine is called a crash turn (the half version of crash stop), and military boats with water jets are very fond of doing it, but even then if you screw up people might end up getting hurt.

Considering the quality of bauhaus gear and tech levels it could havev a simple gyroscope to help it keep balence when leaning into turns in addtion to track adjustments as mentioned.

 TheDungen wrote:

reversing a track when going at any mentionable speed would be a bad idea(but great for turning when standing still).

Agreed, reversing track would only work when stopped. Has nothing to do with turning while moving.
Just mentioned it because it probably would work while stopped.

This bike would be a fun, real life engineering project. I think a team of skilled engineers could design and build one now. Fitting it all inside the Vorreiter form factor might be tough, but I think it could be built with current motorcycle/snowmobile technology.

The torque here is as i said considerably lower but if it can be tilted yeah then it works, it gets less friction and less torque that way but since most of its rotation will come from the leaning, its possible.

You don't think stopping or significantly slowing one track would make it pivot quickly around the stopped/slowed track?
Seems like it would go like this: Lean, apply track brake, which will compress that tracks suspension, leaving the unloaded outside track at full extension but still in contact with the ground pushing the bike quickly around the stopped/slowed track.

Suspension on the vehicle would need to be relatively soft and have plenty of travel.

I've been thinking on making the one with just one track since I first saw the artwork. Cant really spare time right now but I've saved the picture and maybe I'll get there some day.

As i said earlier the distance from the outer edge of one track to the outer edge of the other track is what roughly 1 meter. so the torque you'll get will be equal to the difference of the forced applied to the two tracks by the ground. (in the plane)

there is one force breaking the speed at the leaning side its F=-mu*N
where N=m*g, lets say we're on earth (or venus which has similar gravity) so
g=9.82
so
N=4910
mu=0.25 (rubber on wet asphalt)
Ffriktion= 1227n
And one at the moving side which is
half the force that it uses to accelerate, lets say it accelerates 2.3 meters per second per second (the same as the fastest accelerating motorcycle in the world)
F=ma gives us that the force thus is 1150n. but this is for both tracks to the force will be half that. 575m

then we're half meter from the axis of rotation so divide them both by two and add them our torque is 901 for reference it would have been twice as large if the tracks was a meter apart.

Lets approximate the bike to cuboid roughly say 2.5meters long 1 meter high and 1.2 meters wide.

the moment of intertia for a cuboid is

(1/12)m*((w^2)+(L^2))=I

say it weighs in at 1/2 meteric tonnes.
I=320kg/m^2

a=t/I

a=2.8 radians per second which is just slightly under Pi, so a little less than 180degrees in a second. I guess i have disproven myself with these tech specs it'd actually work. =P

This will be odd 24 hours for Mishima players. They might get access to a starter (and Hero) this day ... or not.
No preview of the models in sight, just an old art of a unit not in the starter.
If there will be a last minute preview, there is no time to give feedback on the models like with all other models, so it is hit or miss for this faction.
This is not completely fair to Mishima players in my opinion.

Of course there is no preview, they haven't funded yet. Prodos don't know if they have the capital to fund a sixth faction right out of the gate. Digging in to their pockets to create art assets for a faction that was never even originally planned to appear during the Kickstarter would be a bad idea. Prodos already dodged a bullet with the Free Marines, I don't think they'll be as keen to count their chickens before they hatch again.

Let's just let it happen. Either Mishima unlocks or it doesn't. Bauhaus players were in the same boat for the first £35k, Capitol players were in the same boat until we hit £80k. Why would Prodos change the policy when it is not entirely certain that they will get the money they need to produce the concepts?

Prodos are not wizards, they cannot redesign a whole faction in a few hours. There will be Mishima players willing to be early adopters before they see concepts (just like there were with Bauhaus and Cap players). If a player does not feel comfortable pledging sight-unseen, then they get to wait for release. That's the way it goes.

If Prodos stick their neck out, spend money and things don't work out, then that was a bad idea. Sure, going to the trouble of getting concepts and the like may push things to £140k, but it may not. And until that money counter ticks over, I agree with Prodos. The money we have put in is for designing and producing everything that has come before. Mishima can wait until £140k if it comes just like the other KS funded factions did.

19 hrs 2700 for 140K. Come on Mishima

Leaning on a Vorreiter looks impossible, speaking as someone who rides. The bottom is FLAT. Hell, the wider regular tires are the more you have to fight it into turns and changes your geometry in turns. Not good. There is a reason track bikes dont have super wides.

Theyd be good for straight lines and wide sweeping turns only.

yeah I think I did some mistakes in my maths up there...

anyway
http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/513277403/mutant-chronicles-warzone-resurrection/#chart-exp-projection

even has its lower bound above 140k now.

My feelings, summarized in meme form, using my terrible, terrible MS Paint skills:



My wallet will be crying.


EDIT: Also, aaaaaaagh, just under 1400 GBP for Mishima, and 16 hours to go!

I can't say I like those heads on the Valkyries. I hope Prodos releases alternate heads for those.

Just 614 quid till the Mishima starter goal. Mishima fans this is your chance (man, it rhymes too)

Mishima starter is funded. Whatever that means.
Only 12 hours to go, and the players of one funded faction are still left in the dark.

Kroothawk. There will not be renders of Mishima on the KS. We have said many times before, we are not using KS as a a preorder, instead as it was initially intended. So once something is unlocked it will be worked on. For those that prefer a preorder approach, that will be doable on our website (warzonegame.com).

Unless they can render something in less than 12 hours I wouldn't get my hopes up for seeing the mishima soldiers, but if this kickatarter has taught us one thing is that what one person hates another loves so I say get the mishima starter just in case, if it turns out you end up not liking the look of it for whatever reasons then just sell it to someone who does. Also I think that everyone agrees that regardless of our opinions of specific units that we've liked the vast majority of what prodos has shown us, thus the odds are Mishima is going to be great. I've just added a mishima starter to my list of things i want. I trust i prodos' ability to deliver greatness once again.