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Because people get upset when Necrons give Chaos the finger. It has always been that way.

And technology can't be corrupted, ever? We know that to be patently false.

If the Necron entity itself, the Warrior, the Scarab, the Cryptek, the Destroyer, the Necron Lord, the Monolith, were immune to Chaos, they wouldn't need to build Null Field Generators around their Tombs, or equip them on certain other devices. However, because this is what the Necrons do, we must assume that they find the effects of the Warp to be a threat, otherwise why would they bother?

There is even a specific Chaos Power (not of the Great Four) that has such things as part of its portfolio. Yuvassin, the Undoer, is the Chaos God of Murphy's Law, basically. What Tzeentch plans, Yuvassin throws into disarray. Into what mortals design and build, Yuvassin puts flaws and weaknesses. Yuvassin is the bug in the code that leaves it ripe for exploitation, the overlooked flaw that brings a castle crashing down, the unforeseen complication that destroys the most carefully-laid plans.

As the Necrons were mortal (and, technically, may still be mortal, for all of their body-swapping and mind-transferring shenanigans), they are no more immune to the predations of the Warp than any other. While a Blank may be immune to direct Warp attacks, nothing stops a telekine from dropping a piano on his head.

 Psienesis wrote:
And technology can't be corrupted, ever? We know that to be patently false.

Except that fluff tells us the Necron Tech can't. The are multiple examples of Necron Tech flat out overcoming warp tech. Do you think this is by accident??? Maybe it has something to do with fighting a war that some sources say lasted millions of years against a race that was the primier warp using race (Old Ones). At a time when the warp was safe.

As it is Chaos and the those who use it are more limited then the psykers during the War in Heaven. An example of this is when the Voidbringer fights Varro Tigurius in Fall of Damnos. Tigurius starts doing his psychic stuff, the Voidbringer beats him down calling him a crap. For the Voidbringer to view Tigurius' abilites so bad means that he has had to have faced psykers much stronger. Stronger then one of the most powerfull Librarians, likely in orders of magnitude stronger.

Imagine fighting an army of Ahrimans who have the ability to tap into the warp without fear of anything bad happening. Then compare that to 40k where you might have a lone psyker or two trying to corrupt you. When you have technology designed to defend against the former, it makes the latter a bug on the windshield.

It is the same as saying "My rifle can shoot through a modern main battle tank because it can shoot through the metal of a car door".

Another thing to consider is that the Dark Mech could not even corrupt the Blackstone Fortresses and Abbadon needed an ancient artifact called the "Heart of Darkness" to gain control of them. Chaos + Chaos Tech can do a lot. But when faced with tech and warp tech that is created by others that understand the warp better then those trying to corrupt it. Those trying to corrupt that tech don't really stand a chance.

Ok we know that necrons are 100% not immune to the effects of the warp, this is proven by the fact that psy powers work on them.

Are they immune to damages suffered by the taint of the warp? Again no, they more than likely have a greater resistance to it, but eventually they will start to show symptoms of the exposure, drop a necron in the warp and see what happens.

Are they immune to corruption from warp entities? Again no, they have greater resistance to them, I'm talking physical not spiritual, as the big 4 have nothing to offer the run of the mill necrons, if they were immune totally, then there would be no need to go through the trouble of building tech to protect them from it. And of course on the tt they would be immune to all chaos powers. We also have a necron head.on a pole, so I assume the warp must in some way disrupt the.phase out of the necrons or prolonged exposure stops the body from regenerating.

Imagine fighting an army of Ahrimans who have the ability to tap into the warp without fear of anything bad happening. Then compare that to 40k where you might have a lone psyker or two trying to corrupt you. When you have technology designed to defend against the former, it makes the latter a bug on the windshield.

That's what I'm getting at. The Necrons may have the technology to shield themselves against Chaos, and that's fine, but they are not, themselves, without their Null Fields and such, immune to Chaos.

 Psienesis wrote:

Imagine fighting an army of Ahrimans who have the ability to tap into the warp without fear of anything bad happening. Then compare that to 40k where you might have a lone psyker or two trying to corrupt you. When you have technology designed to defend against the former, it makes the latter a bug on the windshield.

That's what I'm getting at. The Necrons may have the technology to shield themselves against Chaos, and that's fine, but they are not, themselves, without their Null Fields and such, immune to Chaos.

Do you have any examples of Necrons being mutated by chaos?

there is a reason that the necrons physically cannot travel through the webway which is why they cant be even affected by chaos and as a matter of fact once the emprah dies and chaos goes shooting out of everywhere like a baby boom on steroids times Matt Ward the necrons are gonna just roll over and say "oh boy time to kill some gods again" (starts to reassemble C'tan shards) remember that they literally killed the creators of everything its like the whole apprentice becoming the master thing but toss in a bit of we conquer the universe and create science that is equal to or better then and more reliable then magic then go to sleep because were bored and not stupid like the eldar and dont want to rip a giant butt crack in the universe

Do you have any examples of Space Marines going to the bathroom? No? Well, then we must assume that Space Marines never poop, or have lost the ability in the 10,000 years since the Heresy, and the waste-recyclers in their armor are just relics from a bygone era, included because the Mechanicus considers them holy relics.

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There is a decidedly limited amount of fluff for all of the non-Imperial factions, so expecting BL or FFG to have published a resource containing this specific situation is a pretty tall order.

Seriously, though, if the Necrons thought it prudent to build shields around their Tombs to ward away the Warp, then there must have been a purpose behind it, no? To quote Richard B. Riddick, "You don't prep your emergency ship unless there's a f***ing emergency."

ya there was a reason to build null fields ^^^^

for things like warp storms so that their planet doesnt blow up during the storm also to quote Adam Savage, "there's no such thing as overkill." and if the eldar decide to peep their heads in then a farseer cant just be all gung ho and colapse the place all stealthily

also, when they went to sleep they were preping for the worst of anything that could occur

A Warp Storm that blows up the planet is just going to leave a Null Shielded Tomb drifting about in space, letting sleeping Necrons just drift about like glitter... in space. The Null Fields around the Tombs cover just the Tomb-complex, in most cases. Other worlds, like Cadia, have more extensive networks of pylons, though this is a bit of creative ret-conning, because the Cadian Gate has been a thing in 40K far longer than the Necrons and their Pylons have been, if memory serves.

The Null Shield also is kind of obvious to a Psyker. It's like a big, blank spot where you're expecting background landmass on a radar sweep. You don't know what's there, but there's *something* there blocking your signal. Also, the Eldar of that era weren't stealthy, they didn't need to be, as there were a *lot* of Eldar in those days. If they detected a Tomb, they had plasma torpedoes that would utterly obliterate it in a couple salvos. They still have these torps, incidentally, and they are *very* nice.

Immunity to corruption doesn't protect you from having your Tomb World destroyed by a mod of Bloodletters and Bloodthirsters.

 Psienesis wrote:
Do you have any examples of Space Marines going to the bathroom? No? Well, then we must assume that Space Marines never poop, or have lost the ability in the 10,000 years since the Heresy, and the waste-recyclers in their armor are just relics from a bygone era, included because the Mechanicus considers them holy relics.

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There is a decidedly limited amount of fluff for all of the non-Imperial factions, so expecting BL or FFG to have published a resource containing this specific situation is a pretty tall order.

Seriously, though, if the Necrons thought it prudent to build shields around their Tombs to ward away the Warp, then there must have been a purpose behind it, no? To quote Richard B. Riddick, "You don't prep your emergency ship unless there's a f***ing emergency."

So, you have nothing that says they can be mutated, and no examples of it happening. While we have a clear GW 40k licensed game supplement, that says they can't be mutated/corrupted.

I guess when you have some actual evidence to support your claims, you can come back, but at this point it's clear you have nothing to stand on.

Immunity to corruption doesn't protect you from having your Tomb World destroyed by a mod of Bloodletters and Bloodthirsters.

Exactly.

The Flayer virus mutates Necrons - although its thought this is via a C'tan "Curse" in the Codex IIRC.

I'll have a look through the various books over the weekend and see if anything specific comes up...........of course the sources could end up being contradictory

Also a number of people seem to be confusing the Necrons and the C'tan in terms of their powers and abilities and how the war against the Old Ones was won and the one against the Eldar lost..........

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Immunity to corruption doesn't protect you from having your Tomb World destroyed by a mod of Bloodletters and Bloodthirsters.

I can't imagine that being sucked into a warpstorm would be good for you either. It might not corrupt you or taint you, being a Necron, but it is raw energy after all and can still obliterate what ever crosses its path.

The Flayer virus mutates Necrons - although its thought this is via a C'tan "Curse" in the Codex IIRC.

It's not "Thought" it's outright stated to be from the destruction of the The Flayer.

Also a number of people seem to be confusing the Necrons and the C'tan in terms of their powers and abilities and how the war against the Old Ones was won and the one against the Eldar lost..........

Necrons went to war with the Old Ones, and the Eldar at the same time, During the War in Heaven. They never fought a War against just the Eldar, as they went into Hibernation shortly after destroying the C'tan and eradicating the Old Ones.

Sorry you are correct re the Flayer being the cause of the Curse, I had misremembered which bit of the Legend was thought and which bit was stated. Checked the book and you are absolutely right.

I do think its interesting that with regard to mutation and transformation the Flayer virus does the following:

"Physical changes occur shortly thereafter, wracking and twisting the afflicted Necron's form into something as warped in body as it is in protocol and function."

Its also confirmed on the very first page that the Necron self repair system can be overwhelmed, which results in retreat to Tome World for repair or self destruction. This is (to me at least) the likely result of a Necron suffering warping of its form by sorcery or Daemonic taint etc.

The Necrons become powerful servants of the C'tan to defeat of the Old Ones and only when the war is won do they backstab them with their own technologies to avoid being slain / enslaved themselves. This act shatters their own power and is its clear to the Silent King they are then no match for the Eldar - hence the retreat, hide and sleep protocol.

 Psienesis wrote:
Do you have any examples of Space Marines going to the bathroom?

Your move, show a Necron mutated by chaos.

The Necrons become powerful servants of the C'tan to defeat of the Old Ones and only when the war is won do they backstab them with their own technologies to avoid being slain / enslaved themselves. This act shatters their own power and is its clear to the Silent King they are then no match for the Eldar - hence the retreat, hide and sleep protocol.

Which is not the same as loosing a War to the Eldar.

 Sasori wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Do you have any examples of Space Marines going to the bathroom? No? Well, then we must assume that Space Marines never poop, or have lost the ability in the 10,000 years since the Heresy, and the waste-recyclers in their armor are just relics from a bygone era, included because the Mechanicus considers them holy relics.

...

There is a decidedly limited amount of fluff for all of the non-Imperial factions, so expecting BL or FFG to have published a resource containing this specific situation is a pretty tall order.

Seriously, though, if the Necrons thought it prudent to build shields around their Tombs to ward away the Warp, then there must have been a purpose behind it, no? To quote Richard B. Riddick, "You don't prep your emergency ship unless there's a f***ing emergency."

So, you have nothing that says they can be mutated, and no examples of it happening. While we have a clear GW 40k licensed game supplement, that says they can't be mutated/corrupted.

I guess when you have some actual evidence to support your claims, you can come back, but at this point it's clear you have nothing to stand on.

Immunity to corruption doesn't protect you from having your Tomb World destroyed by a mod of Bloodletters and Bloodthirsters.

Exactly.

Are Necrons, in any edition of their Codices, immune to the Chaos Psychic Powers "Gift of Chaos", "Bolt of Change", or "Tzeentch's Firestorm"? No? FFG can make their RPG work in one way, the table-top game (actually written and published by GW) works another.

Cop-out answer with gameplay mechanics ftw right?

You have no fluffy source that has an example of a Necron being corrupted by Chaos, however there is a source which explicitly states they cannot.

If you'd like I could get you a stool, because you have no legs to stand on.

 Sasori wrote:

The Necrons become powerful servants of the C'tan to defeat of the Old Ones and only when the war is won do they backstab them with their own technologies to avoid being slain / enslaved themselves. This act shatters their own power and is its clear to the Silent King they are then no match for the Eldar - hence the retreat, hide and sleep protocol.

Which is not the same as loosing a War to the Eldar.

Well I guess you could argue they lost that war by default but enough survived to wage a new one - which they seem likely to win now that the Eldar are but a shadow of their former self

I believe it is Craftworld Altaioc that is the only surviving Craftworld that really remembers their original mission, that of destroying the Necron, and has been fighting a Long War that puts the Traitor Legions to shame.

 Psienesis wrote:
Are Necrons, in any edition of their Codices, immune to the Chaos Psychic Powers "Gift of Chaos", "Bolt of Change", or "Tzeentch's Firestorm"? No? FFG can make their RPG work in one way, the table-top game (actually written and published by GW) works another.

It is for the same reason that they were not immune to the poison of a needle sniper rifle. Its just game balance. And if you didn't have a spawn model in 5th a Necron got his RPs against Gift of Chaos.

Your argument is flawed because you using a game mechanic that is not representative of the fluff but an attempt at game balance.

 Psienesis wrote:
Are Necrons, in any edition of their Codices, immune to the Chaos Psychic Powers "Gift of Chaos", "Bolt of Change", or "Tzeentch's Firestorm"? No? FFG can make their RPG work in one way, the table-top game (actually written and published by GW) works another.

Space Marines are often depicted as unkillable war machines that can raze a world with as few as a hundred men, but every game I play they get killed in one shot. What? Fluff and gameplay don't add up!? WTF!

Space Marines are often depicted as unkillable war machines that can raze a world with as few as a hundred men, but every game I play they get killed in one shot. What? Fluff and gameplay don't add up!? WTF!

And in some fluff, Space Marines are 10 feet tall. In some BL sources, including the "declared 'canonical'" (whatever that is supposed to mean) Horus Heresy novels, a Space Marine is worth only 10 Imperial Guardsmen. In yet others, they get beaten to death by unarmored cultists wielding sticks and rocks (literally).

The fluff itself is not consistent.

It is for the same reason that they were not immune to the poison of a needle sniper rifle. Its just game balance. And if you didn't have a spawn model in 5th a Necron got his RPs against Gift of Chaos.

Your argument is flawed because you using a game mechanic that is not representative of the fluff but an attempt at game balance.

Balance? This is 40K we're talking about. If "balance" were in the Top 10 things that the writers of the Codices were concerned with, we'd not have anywhere near the amount of posts regarding the Space Wolves or the Grey Knights that we do. There are also other Armies who receive immunity, specifically, from Special Rules carried by other Armies. Is that "balanced"? No, it's just an effect of the rule. Trazyn's Superior Tactics rule fails, automatically, against any Ork army. Is this grossly unbalancing in favor of the Orks? Not really, but it does set the precedent that, had it been intended, an Army can have its codex written in such a way that an immunity, resistance, or other special effect is granted against another Army's Special Rule. As the Necron Codex grants no immunity to Warp-Based attacks... I am lead to conclude that the Necron, by itself, is not immune to being Warped by Chaos. Can its RP fix those tentacles? Maybe. RP fails against purely physical damage, requiring a Scarab Tow-Truck to go drag its shiny, metal arse back to the Tomb.

IMO, Codices (written by GW, published by GW, and for the original game that all other 40K fluff descends from) trumps any BL/FFG source when it comes to statements of what is/is not "canon", insofar as this setting can be said to have a canon. If a Codex says nothing one way or another about a subject, then that's open to whatever BL or FFG or off-the-internet-fandex you want to choose, because on a subject that GW has said absolutely nothing on, any one opinion is as valid as any other. As the Codices have set the precedent that an army with an automatic immunity to some form of attack, power, special rule, whatever, will have it listed in the rules for that Army, and that neither Codex: Necron or Codex: Chaos Space Marines lists the Necrons being immune to psychic attacks, Chaos Psychic Attacks, Eldar psychic powers, Shokk Attack Gunz, JotWW, or any other psychic shooting attack you care to name, *all* of which make use of the energy of the Warp... I can only conclude that, no, Necrons are not automatically immune to the effects of the Warp.

ok yes lets make a race that is completely immune to psykers and poison and anything of the like and while were at it why not make them able to take warp field generators so that any daemon army can not DS any of their units or have them on the board in any way and anything that has anything to do with the warp is completely nullified and all gauss weapons instantly causs a wound to simulate it stripping the atoms of the target and no armour saves can be taken against it

and also why not have phase shifters have the option to instantly be invulnerable to any and all attacks of any kind and may not be targeted for a charge and may move inside of terrain if they want to until they choose to turn it off

ah and while were at it why not give the orks the good ol' animosity rule so that they can all kill each other before they even get out of a trukk

you see how balanced things would be with every piece of fluff? certain armies wouldnt be able to even fight others while certain armies would absolutely slaughter others

Psienesis, you continue to confuse actual physical mutation and corruption with gak like attacks that trap you in the Earth, or send you to the Warp, or blow you up, or whatever.

No one claimed they are immune to that.

But the only source dealing with the matter explicitly states they are entirely resistant to physical corruption.

You on the other hand, would rather use gameplay mechanics.

Fluff trumps gameplay, evidence trumps assumption.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
But the only source dealing with the matter explicitly states they are entirely resistant to physical corruption.

What about mental corruption then? That's often how Chaos starts on you, after all. Probably not much of an issue for the less intelligent Necrons that only live to serve, but could Overlords and such be corrupted through their desires?

Well they don't have souls, nor even minds in the human sense, so not really no lol.

I mean, in terms of direct mental influencing. I mean, I guess you could manipulate a Necron Overlord in the mundane fashion, sure.

I think all of the new style Necron Overlords and above have minds and often complex emotions - some of them are even somewhat insane - a fate that the Silent King believes is the eventual fate of all of his unaging bretherin.

Again its part of the whole new "Tomb Kings in space" vibe that they are mainly ancient warrior kings trapped in undying but unfeeling shells........... We know from the Codex that there are Necrons continually trying to achieve this return to flesh.

Consequently I also think the possibility is also there for Chaos (in one form or another) to try and attempt to corrupt those Necrons who seek a return to flesh - although not surprisingly the Necrons do have Trust issues after the C'tan finished with them!