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I think we are missing a lot on what is actually going to happen with the Markerlights.

Giving the entire army +1 to BS for shooting at that specific target is pretty boss on its own. I usually spread the tokens I earn out to up the BS of several units, so 1 hit working for the entire army is itself not that bad.

I can see this not stacking just simply because by spreading the markerlight hits around (multiple small Pathfinder units, markerlights in squad, etc) to say 3 or 4 different targets, you could see the entire Tau army shooting at BS 5, which as cool as that would be, has the potential to be horribly broken.

Also, we don't have information about the other Markerlight abilities, it could be they are still there in some modified form. Potentially we could see one markerlight token used to boost BS, a second markerlight token to modify cover and a third markerlight token to grant Nightvision applied to the same target and adding effects army wide.

Of course this is pure speculation, but it is just as much speculation that a play-test rumor has full and complete information that will still hold true at press time.

I think, ultimately, we'll see a Tau force that is less dependent on markerlights (more BS 4, more night-vision, more cover denial), but becomes far more potent with them.

Unless I inferred wrongly, which is completely possible, I understood the rumor to indicate that there will be no other effects from markerlights. Only +1 BS for anyone targeting the marked unit. No more cover reduction, no more Ld reduction for pinning, no more Night Vision.

Though until there are more reliable confirmations it's all hardly worth discussing at this juncture. Just voicing some concern over possibly losing the Markerlight as we know it.

What about a drone hq? lol

 Archonate wrote:
Unless I inferred wrongly, which is completely possible, I understood the rumor to indicate that there will be no other effects from markerlights. Only +1 BS for anyone targeting the marked unit. No more cover reduction, no more Ld reduction for pinning, no more Night Vision.

Though until there are more reliable confirmations it's all hardly worth discussing at this juncture. Just voicing some concern over possibly losing the Markerlight as we know it.

The rumor did not mention these abilities, it is true. However the rumor also didn't say that the markerlight lost these abilities. My point is it's still an unknown and there is plenty of room for things to change before a final product.

My best guess is the Tau will have abilities to improve hit probability, reduce the effects of cover, ignore Nightfighting, and de-buff opposing units with shooting. We might not see all those abilities in the same unit however.

It is also quite possible that pathfinders will be rerolled into something more combative in the process. What used to be a markerlight on top of the carbine now may become some kind of targeting array or an alternate weapon system. We really don't know. The rumours have mostly been quiet on the Pathfinder front.

Jefffar wrote:

 Archonate wrote:
Unless I inferred wrongly, which is completely possible, I understood the rumor to indicate that there will be no other effects from markerlights. Only +1 BS for anyone targeting the marked unit. No more cover reduction, no more Ld reduction for pinning, no more Night Vision.

Though until there are more reliable confirmations it's all hardly worth discussing at this juncture. Just voicing some concern over possibly losing the Markerlight as we know it.

The rumor did not mention these abilities, it is true. However the rumor also didn't say that the markerlight lost these abilities. My point is it's still an unknown and there is plenty of room for things to change before a final product.

My best guess is the Tau will have abilities to improve hit probability, reduce the effects of cover, ignore Nightfighting, and de-buff opposing units with shooting. We might not see all those abilities in the same unit however.

It is also quite possible that pathfinders will be rerolled into something more combative in the process. What used to be a markerlight on top of the carbine now may become some kind of targeting array or an alternate weapon system. We really don't know. The rumours have mostly been quiet on the Pathfinder front.

I could see them potentially keeping the -1 to Ld, perhaps as a cumulative. Like a unit hit with a marker light gets a cumulative -1 to Ld for each hit and grants a static +1 BS to each friendly unit that shoots at it until end of turn. Or instead of Ld it could be -1 to Cover saves. But this is all just speculation at this point.

Jefffar wrote:

It is also quite possible that pathfinders will be rerolled into something more combative in the process. What used to be a markerlight on top of the carbine now may become some kind of targeting array or an alternate weapon system. We really don't know. The rumours have mostly been quiet on the Pathfinder front.

I always thought it was odd that the fluff text for the pulse carbines described them as having under slung photon grenade launchers, but the grenades were only defensive weapons. Would be fun to have those reworked into something more offensive for the Pathfinders.

hokieseas wrote:

Jefffar wrote:

It is also quite possible that pathfinders will be rerolled into something more combative in the process. What used to be a markerlight on top of the carbine now may become some kind of targeting array or an alternate weapon system. We really don't know. The rumours have mostly been quiet on the Pathfinder front.

I always thought it was odd that the fluff text for the pulse carbines described them as having under slung photon grenade launchers, but the grenades were only defensive weapons. Would be fun to have those reworked into something more offensive for the Pathfinders.

The Photon Grenade Launchers were the reason the Carbines had pinning. Nowadays there is a rule that more closely represents the actual effects of a Photon Grenade and is also far more useful on the tabletop - Blind. I would love to see that switch made, it wouldn't quite save the Pulse Carbine, but I think it would be far closer. Regretably these rumours focus heavily on new units and ignore what is happening to the old familiar units. We know something is up with Crisis Suits, but not a lot about it. We know very little about Broadsides other than a possible price hike. Pathfinders we have heard nothing, ditto Devilfish, Hammerheads and Piranhas. Stealth suits may lose shrouded but may get it back somehow.

There are a lot of gaps in these rumours that need to be filled before I reach for the alarm button or start singing the hallelujah chorus.

Jefffar wrote:

hokieseas wrote:

Jefffar wrote:

It is also quite possible that pathfinders will be rerolled into something more combative in the process. What used to be a markerlight on top of the carbine now may become some kind of targeting array or an alternate weapon system. We really don't know. The rumours have mostly been quiet on the Pathfinder front.

I always thought it was odd that the fluff text for the pulse carbines described them as having under slung photon grenade launchers, but the grenades were only defensive weapons. Would be fun to have those reworked into something more offensive for the Pathfinders.

The Photon Grenade Launchers were the reason the Carbines had pinning. Nowadays there is a rule that more closely represents the actual effects of a Photon Grenade and is also far more useful on the tabletop - Blind. I would love to see that switch made, it wouldn't quite save the Pulse Carbine, but I think it would be far closer. Regretably these rumours focus heavily on new units and ignore what is happening to the old familiar units. We know something is up with Crisis Suits, but not a lot about it. We know very little about Broadsides other than a possible price hike. Pathfinders we have heard nothing, ditto Devilfish, Hammerheads and Piranhas. Stealth suits may lose shrouded but may get it back somehow.

There are a lot of gaps in these rumours that need to be filled before I reach for the alarm button or start singing the hallelujah chorus.

Only way I'll start singing Hallelujah is when the new codex comes out and Tau still play like Tau and not a simplified version of the army. One of the aesthetics that drew me back to Tau after I got used to playing 5th edition rules was how unique they played compared to SPESS MAHREEENZ and METAL BAWKSES!! Tau are unique in that they take a lot of skill and critical thinking to play. It's now fun to watch the other players in my LGS look at my codex and be like CHEESE!!! In which I reply no SUSHI!

I wonder if the Ethereal is the 50 point upgrade that makes Fire Warriors BS4. If it is, and is army wide you might actually see Ethereals on the table.

Is there any word on when this stuff is coming? I don't care what's in a new Tau dex, I just want to know when I'm sacrificing my wages to them.

 Enigma Crisis wrote:

Jefffar wrote:

hokieseas wrote:

Jefffar wrote:

It is also quite possible that pathfinders will be rerolled into something more combative in the process. What used to be a markerlight on top of the carbine now may become some kind of targeting array or an alternate weapon system. We really don't know. The rumours have mostly been quiet on the Pathfinder front.

I always thought it was odd that the fluff text for the pulse carbines described them as having under slung photon grenade launchers, but the grenades were only defensive weapons. Would be fun to have those reworked into something more offensive for the Pathfinders.

The Photon Grenade Launchers were the reason the Carbines had pinning. Nowadays there is a rule that more closely represents the actual effects of a Photon Grenade and is also far more useful on the tabletop - Blind. I would love to see that switch made, it wouldn't quite save the Pulse Carbine, but I think it would be far closer. Regretably these rumours focus heavily on new units and ignore what is happening to the old familiar units. We know something is up with Crisis Suits, but not a lot about it. We know very little about Broadsides other than a possible price hike. Pathfinders we have heard nothing, ditto Devilfish, Hammerheads and Piranhas. Stealth suits may lose shrouded but may get it back somehow.

There are a lot of gaps in these rumours that need to be filled before I reach for the alarm button or start singing the hallelujah chorus.

Only way I'll start singing Hallelujah is when the new codex comes out and Tau still play like Tau and not a simplified version of the army. One of the aesthetics that drew me back to Tau after I got used to playing 5th edition rules was how unique they played compared to SPESS MAHREEENZ and METAL BAWKSES!! Tau are unique in that they take a lot of skill and critical thinking to play. It's now fun to watch the other players in my LGS look at my codex and be like CHEESE!!! In which I reply no SUSHI!

Hate to ruin your mud slinging, but there's loads of SM lists that require skill and critical thinking too.

One rumor I keep hearing on and off is that Robin Cruddance is writing the codex. Knowing what he did with the nid codex a bit and OPing the Guard codex, I am wary if this is true (although it is just a rumor and I try to take those with a grain of salt until the actual release is out but I thought I throw it out there) .

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Enigma Crisis wrote:

Jefffar wrote:

hokieseas wrote:

Jefffar wrote:

It is also quite possible that pathfinders will be rerolled into something more combative in the process. What used to be a markerlight on top of the carbine now may become some kind of targeting array or an alternate weapon system. We really don't know. The rumours have mostly been quiet on the Pathfinder front.

I always thought it was odd that the fluff text for the pulse carbines described them as having under slung photon grenade launchers, but the grenades were only defensive weapons. Would be fun to have those reworked into something more offensive for the Pathfinders.

The Photon Grenade Launchers were the reason the Carbines had pinning. Nowadays there is a rule that more closely represents the actual effects of a Photon Grenade and is also far more useful on the tabletop - Blind. I would love to see that switch made, it wouldn't quite save the Pulse Carbine, but I think it would be far closer. Regretably these rumours focus heavily on new units and ignore what is happening to the old familiar units. We know something is up with Crisis Suits, but not a lot about it. We know very little about Broadsides other than a possible price hike. Pathfinders we have heard nothing, ditto Devilfish, Hammerheads and Piranhas. Stealth suits may lose shrouded but may get it back somehow.

There are a lot of gaps in these rumours that need to be filled before I reach for the alarm button or start singing the hallelujah chorus.

Only way I'll start singing Hallelujah is when the new codex comes out and Tau still play like Tau and not a simplified version of the army. One of the aesthetics that drew me back to Tau after I got used to playing 5th edition rules was how unique they played compared to SPESS MAHREEENZ and METAL BAWKSES!! Tau are unique in that they take a lot of skill and critical thinking to play. It's now fun to watch the other players in my LGS look at my codex and be like CHEESE!!! In which I reply no SUSHI!

Hate to ruin your mud slinging, but there's loads of SM lists that require skill and critical thinking too.

Space Marines are more forgiving than Tau are if you make mistakes.

 Davylove21 wrote:
Is there any word on when this stuff is coming? I don't care what's in a new Tau dex, I just want to know when I'm sacrificing my wages to them.

I read on warseer that elves are going to release in may. With daemons in march that leaves tau in the April release slot. All I can say is I hope that is true.

 tetrisphreak wrote:


I read on warseer that elves are going to release in may. With daemons in march that leaves tau in the April release slot. All I can say is I hope that is true.

That gives me a nice two months to paint all my current Kroot stuff and get ready for when the new (and I dream) Kroot hounds and Krootox and Kroot MC are released.

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 Davylove21 wrote:
Is there any word on when this stuff is coming? I don't care what's in a new Tau dex, I just want to know when I'm sacrificing my wages to them.

I read on warseer that elves are going to release in may. With daemons in march that leaves tau in the April release slot. All I can say is I hope that is true.

This is reallllllly unlikely.

I know we are getting used to a lot of releases, but this would be an awful lot in a short time.

Dark Angels > WOC > Daemons > Tau > Elves

5 books in 5 months? Unlikely.

 pretre wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 Davylove21 wrote:
Is there any word on when this stuff is coming? I don't care what's in a new Tau dex, I just want to know when I'm sacrificing my wages to them.

I read on warseer that elves are going to release in may. With daemons in march that leaves tau in the April release slot. All I can say is I hope that is true.

This is reallllllly unlikely.

I know we are getting used to a lot of releases, but this would be an awful lot in a short time.

Dark Angels > WOC > Daemons > Tau > Elves

5 books in 5 months? Unlikely.

6 if its true that daemons have a double book, one for Fantasy, and another for 40K. Even more unlikely :/ Tau are a in a really strong position for May/April, but even then, thjey are still Tau, and nothing is certain about them by now

Could be an accelerated release schedule to claw back the expected hobbit revenue they aren't getting.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
Could be an accelerated release schedule to claw back the expected hobbit revenue they aren't getting.

Has there been any real evidence of lack of hobbit revenue or is that just speculation?

Meant jokingly, only evidence I have is anecdotal though doesn't put it in a shiny light lol

my FLGS owner said he's been hearing rumors of tau release NEXT MONTH. I don't know where he's hearing this from, but seeing as he owns a game store, maybe he knows something I dont.

 Phragonist wrote:
my FLGS owner said he's been hearing rumors of tau release NEXT MONTH. I don't know where he's hearing this from, but seeing as he owns a game store, maybe he knows something I dont.

Lol. Yeah, if I was there, I'd bet him pretty much any amount that he is wrong.

It could be advance orders in march for release in April he is thinking of due to the end of month WD system.

Or could just be the wishful thinking of some FLGS owner.

Yes a FLGS owner is unlikely to tell an enthusiastic customer desperate for new toys

'nope I've not heard anything about the new XXX codex, you might as well give up they're never going to release it'

(well maybe if they're a Bretonians player)

I'm really looking forward to it finally dropping. Would mean my two favorite armies are finally up to date for the first time since I've been playing this damn game haha.

And haven't then gone CSM>Hobbit>DA>WoC in the last 4 months? (Or maybe it was CSM>Empire>Hobbit>DA>WoC? I forget) I'd wager a good chance we'll see another Lotr thing next then maybe something Daemons following that......

I just need the book to drop so I know what needs buying.
Just got in an order for 10 more crisis suits, would like to see some new units.

Crisis Suits were just dropped from the required products list for GW stockists, so chances are good for a replacement soon.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Crisis Suits were just dropped from the required products list for GW stockists, so chances are good for a replacement soon.

My FLGS here also confirmed this about a month ago when making his order from GW, so I agree that it could be good news. Any word on the Fire Warrior box moving off the required products list? If not, it might mean no new sprues for FWs, and thusly no hope for the much pined for pathfinder and FW combination kit. Then again, with GW's penchant for multi kits, it would honestly surprise me if it didn't happen.

If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say Firewarriors will not be getting new sprues. For plastics, the models are still pretty crisp and detailed, holding up against the current standard.
Some of the best looking plastics available, in my opinion.

Now Pathfinders... I bet they're getting new models. Or so rumors have implied for some time now. Plus if I were GW I'd surmise that Pathfinders look too similar to Firewarriors and new minis would be a good chance to differentiate them more.