Jaws of the Wolf World

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**womprat49**

Can Jaws of the Wolf be cast on a unit on multiple levels of a ruin?

A beautiful target of 10 Necron Immortals where on 2 levels of a ruin directly above and under each other in a straight line. Jaws of the Wolf would have hit them all. My RP was on the table surface looking up at the Necrons from about 6" away.

Does the hairline "template" used by this power move up the ruins levels like this? Or does it just follow a line on the flat surface of the table top? Is this treated like for example a flamer template in a ruin?

Or is the hairline able to go for example one neuron in the legs, the next in the torso and the next in the head etc following the geometry of the angles/lines?

much appreciated!

**liturgies of blood**

Any model touched by the line, that is the rule. It isn't a template so doesn't get limited by that rule.

**xlEternitylx**

I dunno. The wording says "line" not "plane". I'd argue that you use the idea that a laser pointer is the best model - we can safely ignore the arguement over the width of the line of "hairline" vs. a millimeter thick, but there is a massive difference between a line and a plane.

Line:
W LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

vs.

Plane:
..PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
..PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
WPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
..PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
..PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

**IamCaboose**

Don't have my codex on hand but I'm pretty sure it says "draw a line along the table" not just "draw a line".

**liturgies of blood**

Look at the line in the rules that says that the line may pass through terrain. That means that it is not a line like a laser pointer, that would be a beam attack.
Line along the table means that you aren't bothered by the terrain height the models stand on.

**xlEternitylx**

The laser pointer analogy was to mean it has to be straight, and not a plane. I know it passes through terrain, but no where does it say it has an infinite height.

**liturgies of blood**

xlEternitylx wrote:
The laser pointer analogy was to mean it has to be straight, and not a plane. I know it passes through terrain, but no where does it say it has an infinite height.

So what happens when you have models at different height on area terrain etc? They'll be at different heights.

**womprat49**

interesting thoughts

SW FAQ states Jaws is not Beam power.

The rulebook makes templates and blasts choose which level to target.

The codex does state Jaws runs "along the board".

I'm starting to think raised levels of a ruin are safe from Jaws... on the other hand it does "pass through terrain. I can just see an entire ruin falling into an abyss.

But I'm still thinking no...

**liturgies of blood**

Care to give any backing up of that stance beyond a feeling?

**xlEternitylx**

You can interpret it one of three ways:

JotWW's line goes along the table in which case if actually can't target models on terrain because they won't be on the "table"; they are on the terrain on top of the table. Since the line passes through terrain, it has no reason to leave the table, and terrain suddenly stops JotWW dead.

or

JotWW's line follows that of a laser pointer (you know, military grade one that burns holes through anything so that it meets that 'pass through terrain' restriction) with the exception that it can make slight deviations up and down with the terrain so long as it stays on the same defined level. On a hill? Fine, the line raises. On the first story of a building? Well then we have two options: a) you target that level of the building and draw the 'line' at that height, or b) it passes under you as you draw the line on the level below.

The onus is on the rule to say it's height. As it stated line, it implicitly defined an infinitely small height such that the line is still existent.

Edit: Nevermind, I take back option II. I'm looking at the rule and it says "straight line across the board" (and passes through terrain). That means that your thing about "what if the models are at different heights" is absolutely right. RAW it misses the others. Straight line - pick an end point, and trace the line from the rune priest to there. If it doesn't touch a model because he's up on a hill and the others aren't, too bad. Line has to be straight.

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@womprat it isn't to say that the levels are safe from JotWW, it's to say that if the line the caster draws happens to pass through a model on the upper level, you can be sure that it won't be hitting anything on the lower level. If I knew how to post pictures I'd draw one to demonstrate haha.

**Polecat**

And what if the Rune Priest himself is at a second level of a ruin? You are still required to draw the JotWW line along the board.

You just start the line at the spot on the table directly below the RP??

**Grugknuckle**

Polecat wrote:
And what if the Rune Priest himself is at a second level of a ruin? You are still required to draw the JotWW line along the board.

You just start the line at the spot on the table directly below the RP??

I was just thinking the same thing.

I'm not sure there are rules to guide us in this manner and sort of cringe when I think of JotWW hitting ALL levels of a building. I see two reasonable solutions:

Solution 1: Laser pointer. You draw (shine) a line straight in any direction and any model that would be hit by the laser (as it burns it's way through plastic) is affected.

Solution 2 : One level only. Perhaps the priest should have to pick one level of the building and then draw a line "along the table" - any models on that level of the building touched by the line are affected.

I think both are reasonable ways to play it, and solves both problems of when the RP is in the building and when he's shooting at models in a building. However, solution 1 probably has the most dubious support in the rules since the codex does say to draw a line across the table.

**womprat49**

Grugknuckle wrote:
Polecat wrote:
And what if the Rune Priest himself is at a second level of a ruin? You are still required to draw the JotWW line along the board.

You just start the line at the spot on the table directly below the RP??

I was just thinking the same thing.

I'm not sure there are rules to guide us in this manner and sort of cringe when I think of JotWW hitting ALL levels of a building. I see two reasonable solutions:

Solution 1: Laser pointer. You draw (shine) a line straight in any direction and any model that would be hit by the laser (as it burns it's way through plastic) is affected.

Solution 2 : One level only. Perhaps the priest should have to pick one level of the building and then draw a line "along the table" - any models on that level of the building touched by the line are affected.

I think both are reasonable ways to play it, and solves both problems of when the RP is in the building and when he's shooting at models in a building. However, solution 1 probably has the most dubious support in the rules since the codex does say to draw a line across the table.

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Those are reasonable and I can bet that playing a friendly game either of these would be ok. I will rely on this from now on then.

**Purifier**

<Phil Kelly> Hey guys, should we FAQ JotWW into something that fits into the 6th ed meta?

<Matt Ward> WHATEVER I DRAG MY PENIS OVER IS HIT!

<Phil Kelly> I don't think that will work tournaments, Matt. Please put that away.

<Matt Ward> I AM THE KING OF NO PANTS!

<Phil Kelly> Come on. We could just rewrite it into a skill that makes sense.

<Matt Ward> I JUST RELEASED THE 1.4 FAQ!

<Phil Kelly> No... I .... I'm pretty sure you just defecated on my models.

**juraigamer**

Jaws does not have permission to hit multiple levels with a single attack, therefore you must choose a level. Doesn't matter where the rune priest is, just pick a level and fire.

**nosferatu1001**

Actually JAWS only has permission to move along the board, andf is not a plane so cannot affect anything "above" the ground.

**Grugknuckle**

Purifier wrote:
<Phil Kelly> Hey guys, should we FAQ JotWW into something that fits into the 6th ed meta?

<Matt Ward> WHATEVER I DRAG MY PENIS OVER IS HIT!

<Phil Kelly> I don't think that will work tournaments, Matt. Please put that away.

<Matt Ward> I AM THE KING OF NO PANTS!

<Phil Kelly> Come on. We could just rewrite it into a skill that makes sense.

<Matt Ward> I JUST RELEASED THE 1.4 FAQ!

<Phil Kelly> No... I .... I'm pretty sure you just defecated on my models.

I'm pretty sure I just LOL'd.

(on your models)

**womprat49**

one more question...

say the path of Jaws goes through 3 units...

does each unit get a deny the witch roll?

say they do, or the first unit passes the test, is the power null for the other 2 units??

**liturgies of blood**

Pretty sure the brb says that there is only one attempt per power.

**DeathReaper**

Only the target of any psychic power gets to make a DTW roll.

If it passes the power has no effect.

If it fails the power works.

**Brothererekose**

womprat49 wrote:
one more question...

say the path of Jaws goes through 3 units...

does each unit get a deny the witch roll?

say they do, or the first unit passes the test, is the power null for the other 2 units??

Answered in the rules and FAQ.

As for your original Q: It's a "line" not a "plane". For years, it has been played as just the models on the ground floor. In fact, savvy players place models up levels to avoid getting swallowed up by Lois Lane Eating Cracks in the Ground.