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Here's a start on rewriting it:

http://www.sturmkrieg.us/Sternkampf_Revolution

I think that would work too.

I'm cautious about making it too German. Also having a Russian theme would help it fit into 40k more.

Alright, here's two issues.

1) The Imperium doesn't fund revolutions. Literally, it doesn't. It never has, and it never will. If the Imperium wanted a small empire like the Sturmkreig one, it would just conquer it and that would be the end of that.

2) You've essentially summarized the Russian Revolution, but you've vomited German all over it. Now, this is okay. The execution of an idea matters more than its originality; nothing in 40k is original, but its still a good setting because its written well. But this isn't written well. Its bland. Its dry. Its the cardboard of fan fiction. The real life Russian Revolution is more interesting than this.

 LoneLictor wrote:
Alright, here's two issues.

1) The Imperium doesn't fund revolutions. Literally, it doesn't. It never has, and it never will. If the Imperium wanted a small empire like the Sturmkreig one, it would just conquer it and that would be the end of that.

2) You've essentially summarized the Russian Revolution, but you've vomited German all over it. Now, this is okay. The execution of an idea matters more than its originality; nothing in 40k is original, but its still a good setting because its written well. But this isn't written well. Its bland. Its dry. Its the cardboard of fan fiction. The real life Russian Revolution is more interesting than this.

Alright. Thanks for pointing that out.

I'm thinking this might be a good idea: The Imperium could start mobilizing the Volianvan Sector and more distant reinforcements to invade the Sturmkrieg Empire. Then during the beginning of the invasion, the coup overthrows the Sturmkrieg Empire, the leaders of the coup give control to Sternkampf, who then gives control over to the Imperium. Then the Sturmkrieg forces that were turned over during the coup join with the Volianvan Sector forces from the Imperium in wiping out any holdout resistance of Sturmkrieg Empire.

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 LoneLictor wrote:
Alright, here's two issues.

1) The Imperium doesn't fund revolutions. Literally, it doesn't. It never has, and it never will. If the Imperium wanted a small empire like the Sturmkreig one, it would just conquer it and that would be the end of that.

2) You've essentially summarized the Russian Revolution, but you've vomited German all over it. Now, this is okay. The execution of an idea matters more than its originality; nothing in 40k is original, but its still a good setting because its written well. But this isn't written well. Its bland. Its dry. Its the cardboard of fan fiction. The real life Russian Revolution is more interesting than this.

Alright. Thanks for pointing that out.

I'm thinking this might be a good idea: The Imperium could start mobilizing the Volianvan Sector and more distant reinforcements to invade the Sturmkrieg Empire. Then during the beginning of the invasion, the coup overthrows the Sturmkrieg Empire, the leaders of the coup give control to Sternkampf, who then gives control over to the Imperium. Then the Sturmkrieg forces that were turned over during the coup join with the Volianvan Sector forces from the Imperium in wiping out any holdout resistance of Sturmkrieg Empire.

Just have the Imperium steam roll the empire, set up a puppet government, and leave some form of the culture left but still heavily suppressed by the Imperium. Get rid of the whole coup thing, or move it into something else.

That sounds much better, and in line with how the IOM operates.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
That sounds much better, and in line with how the IOM operates.

This also allows for the culture to worked into a more Imperial setting, and also allows it to be downplayed a bit.

The coup-idea can work, as I can see the IOM first trying some diplomacy, and then invading. And a series of military coups can be a good, if not a too original story.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
The coup-idea can work, as I can see the IOM first trying some diplomacy, and then invading. And a series of military coups can be a good, if not a too original story.

What about Imperial sympathisers? Maybe fearful of losing their position in the planets hierarchy.

The IOM ain't a very sympathetic organization. And a coup doesn't upset the natural order. I'm thinking the military basically executing a band of nobles with their supporters and the military leaders stepping in as the new aristocracy.

Having a coup turn over a new leadership that accepts the Imperium as their leader would be more interesting than the two alternatives. Those being just having them steam roll the entire thing, or having the Sturmkrieg Empire willingly accept becoming a sector of the Imperium and the changes in structure that come with it.

Alterations
http://www.sturmkrieg.us/Sternkampf_Revolution

It's bland, it's boring, but it's much more fitting. You doesn't need to be extremely flashy just to have a sector in space. It's actually the lack of flash that is appealing. Though I think you should have King Ludwig CDVIII or something.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
The IOM ain't a very sympathetic organization. And a coup doesn't upset the natural order. I'm thinking the military basically executing a band of nobles with their supporters and the military leaders stepping in as the new aristocracy.

Got a point there.

I'd just suggest no revolution at all. Just replace it with an Imperial invasion and suppression of the people, with it's leaders removed and replaced by power hungry individuals. Have the culture quickly taken apart and replaced with the Imperial Creed.

 blood reaper wrote:

 Beaviz81 wrote:
The IOM ain't a very sympathetic organization. And a coup doesn't upset the natural order. I'm thinking the military basically executing a band of nobles with their supporters and the military leaders stepping in as the new aristocracy.

Got a point there.

I'd just suggest no revolution at all. Just replace it with an Imperial invasion and suppression of the people, with it's leaders removed and replaced by power hungry individuals. Have the culture quickly taken apart and replaced with the Imperial Creed.

There's no Imperial culture. Take a look in the 6th ed. rulebook background. Regardless of what happens, they're going to be following the system of the Imperium and Mechanicum.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
It's bland, it's boring, but it's much more fitting. You doesn't need to be extremely flashy just to have a sector in space. It's actually the lack of flash that is appealing. Though I think you should have King Ludwig CDVIII or something.

It doesn't need to be flashy, just an interesting story. Nothing huge happens when the coup seizes power cooperates with the Imperium, but it's more interesting than a straight invasion or straight collaboration.

Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:There is no Imperial culture.

Lol wat? Do you know what the Imperial Creed is?

Anyways, just remove the revolution.

 blood reaper wrote:

Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:There is no Imperial culture.

Lol wat? Do you know what the Imperial Creed is?

Anyways, just remove the revolution.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Imperial_Cult

It's their religion. Culture is very different on every world, as explained in 6th ed.

However, it's generally the greatest influence on the world. The culture would be 'renovated' to fit the Imperial Cult, as would the planets history. While any current Religion replaced by the Cult.

What's your goal with Sturmkrieg? What are you aiming for?

blood reaper wrote:However, it's generally the greatest influence on the world. The culture would be 'renovated' to fit the Imperial Cult, as would the planets history. While any current Religion replaced by the Cult.

There's still a lot of diversity from world to world. Religions are usually modified (as explained in 6th ed.) to incorporate the Emperor. Since the population of Sturmkrieg already worshiped the Machine God, it would be simple to explain that the Emperor is the Machine God, which is a variation of the Cult Mechanicus as explained in Titanicus.

LoneLictor wrote:What's your goal with Sturmkrieg? What are you aiming for?

I'm going for a sector that's oriented around the Mechanicum and productivity. The Russian-German elements would also be themes, to a reasonable extent.

If I am correct, the Imperium doesn't care who is the Governing body on the planets, providing that they pay their tithes, don't mess the Administratum, Ministorum or Mechanicus about, and don't cavort with the Dark Gods, Aliens or Secessionists.

So you could have a revolution, and they could still remain loyal to the Imperium. In fact, it could be a driving force behind the revolution; that the current Planetary Government isn't doing a very good job at interpreting the Emperor's divine will, so somebody else should.

A coup could be much cheaper than a full blown invasion. I don't see why it wouldn't fit into the setting considering the assassin's of 40k spend an enormous amount of resources doing exactly that.

Lord of Timbraxia wrote:If I am correct, the Imperium doesn't care who is the Governing body on the planets, providing that they pay their tithes, don't mess the Administratum, Ministorum or Mechanicus about, and don't cavort with the Dark Gods, Aliens or Secessionists.

So you could have a revolution, and they could still remain loyal to the Imperium. In fact, it could be a driving force behind the revolution; that the current Planetary Government isn't doing a very good job at interpreting the Emperor's divine will, so somebody else should.

That is true. There are planetary governors, but if the planet decided to have some process of choosing who was in charge of it, I don't think the Imperium would care, provided that there weren't any other problems.

The revolution is the process by which Sturmkrieg becomes a part of the Imperium. A revolution on an Imperial world would likely be seen as a revolution against the Imperium.

DemetriDominov wrote:A coup could be much cheaper than a full blown invasion. I don't see why it wouldn't fit into the setting considering the assassin's of 40k spend an enormous amount of resources doing exactly that.

That's why I think it's a good idea. This is also on the Eastern Fringe where there aren't many forces. There's the real possibility that any attempt to invade the Sturmkrieg Empire would just turn into a perpetual war like the one against the Tau Empire.

I think the main question here is whether it's better to have the Imperium actively support the revolution (by this I mean say they support it, but they hardly do anything) of if they only work with Sternkampf once they sieze power and submit to the Imperium.

http://www.sturmkrieg.us/Sternkampf_Revolution

I suggested plenty of things that can work, and even better that has bonus-points that you can just brush off the Nazi-Germany-thingies with a pre-WWI-sentiment. That can account for a lot. You then have a setting for a ruling elite of the military the junkers, who were very able generals and strategists. They came saw and kicked ass in the 1860's-70's, totally dominating nations like Denmark, Austria and France. That's sort of the Germany you could safely involve.

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
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LoneLictor wrote:What's your goal with Sturmkrieg? What are you aiming for?

I'm going for a sector that's oriented around the Mechanicum and productivity. The Russian-German elements would also be themes, to a reasonable extent.

So you want a German version of the Mechanicum, but better?

Its seems like the problem with Sturmkrieg is Sturmkrieg.

 LoneLictor wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
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LoneLictor wrote:What's your goal with Sturmkrieg? What are you aiming for?

I'm going for a sector that's oriented around the Mechanicum and productivity. The Russian-German elements would also be themes, to a reasonable extent.

So you want a German version of the Mechanicum, but better?

Its seems like the problem with Sturmkrieg is Sturmkrieg.

Agreed.

While the German theme could work, it needs to be toned down. It obscures everything else, and while it could work, it would work best in moderation. For example, the Death Korps of Krieg;



The Krieg have obviously been based from German and French armies during WW1, while their preferred tactics are trench warfare. But this doesn't obscure the 40k nature of the Krieg, with their home world devastated by a nuclear war, and a lack of any real identity when their troops have numbers, not names. It's such a rich background because it isn't just Germans in space. It's something unique.

LoneLictor wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
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LoneLictor wrote:What's your goal with Sturmkrieg? What are you aiming for?

I'm going for a sector that's oriented around the Mechanicum and productivity. The Russian-German elements would also be themes, to a reasonable extent.

So you want a German version of the Mechanicum, but better?

Its seems like the problem with Sturmkrieg is Sturmkrieg.

It just needs to be involved with the Mechanicum, it doesn't need to be better than them.

blood reaper wrote:

 LoneLictor wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
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LoneLictor wrote:What's your goal with Sturmkrieg? What are you aiming for?

I'm going for a sector that's oriented around the Mechanicum and productivity. The Russian-German elements would also be themes, to a reasonable extent.

So you want a German version of the Mechanicum, but better?

Its seems like the problem with Sturmkrieg is Sturmkrieg.

Agreed.

While the German theme could work, it needs to be toned down. It obscures everything else, and while it could work, it would work best in moderation. For example, the Death Korps of Krieg;



The Krieg have obviously been based from German and French armies during WW1, while their preferred tactics are trench warfare. But this doesn't obscure the 40k nature of the Krieg, with their home world devastated by a nuclear war, and a lack of any real identity when their troops have numbers, not names. It's such a rich background because it isn't just Germans in space. It's something unique.

I'm going to be working on making it less obvious, and have more generic 40k elements.

So you want a slightly German themed Mechanicum related army.

OK, that's good.

Let's work with that, and not add any other country themes to it. Make it that a primitive world filled with rich materials was found by a Mechanicus exploration fleet. The fleet seeks to take over the planet and use it for their own purposes, but the natives don't want to share the world and try to battle them off. The Mechanicus take over and wipe out most of the populous and force the remaining primitives into slavery, where they are brainwashed into a die hard belief in the Emperor and Ommnishia (don't know if that's the correct spelling.)

How's that?

Also the name. Sturmkrieg sounds a bit like Krieg, and by a bit I mean it sounds like Krieg. Maybe you could work on changing that?

 Lord of Timbraxia wrote:
If I am correct, the Imperium doesn't care who is the Governing body on the planets, providing that they pay their tithes, don't mess the Administratum, Ministorum or Mechanicus about, and don't cavort with the Dark Gods, Aliens or Secessionists.

So you could have a revolution, and they could still remain loyal to the Imperium. In fact, it could be a driving force behind the revolution; that the current Planetary Government isn't doing a very good job at interpreting the Emperor's divine will, so somebody else should.

I think that it could also be possible that the Mechanicum wanted to negotiate a solution without assistance from the Imperium so that they could claim the sector entirely for themselves. That might not be bad. One of the ideas for "help" that I had is that they really don't do anything significant until the last moment when they have to.

You're ignoring me. The Mechanicum isn't an Empire. It doesn't conquer things. It doesn't take new sectors and disobey the Imperium.

The Mechanicum is the Imperium's bitch, and it's been that way since before the Horus Heresy.