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Yet they are still able to have their own sovereignty, standing armies, fleets, and worlds. It may have to bow to the Emperor like everyone else, but they can indeed flex their military muscle and do so when they feel it prudent. Manchu, Lynata, and I have discussed this in length in another thread.

 DemetriDominov wrote:
Yet they are still able to have their own sovereignty, standing armies, fleets, and worlds. It may have to bow to the Emperor like everyone else, but they can indeed flex their military muscle and do so when they feel it prudent. Manchu, Lynata, and I have discussed this in length in another thread.

They also have their own army, the titan legions and the Skitarii. I believe they also have their own fleets. The only worlds that they control though are the forge worlds. As far as I know, there aren't any dedicated Mechanicum sectors.

 LoneLictor wrote:
You're ignoring me. The Mechanicum isn't an Empire. It doesn't conquer things. It doesn't take new sectors and disobey the Imperium.

The Mechanicum is the Imperium's bitch, and it's been that way since before the Horus Heresy.

It's more like they are partners...
The Imperium provides a meatshield to protect the Mechnicus and the Mechanicus gives them shiny weapons to fight with.

We talked about the Moirae Schism and how it influenced the Nova Terra Interregnum civil war that invariably lead to the Ecclesairchy's rise in power above that of the Mechanicus. Though your allegiance must always be first and foremost to the Emperor, having a system of forge worlds basically means you are governed by the Adeptus Mechanicus.

There are two things that support this:

Ophellia VII (previously V) is part of a greater system of shrine worlds dedicated to the Ecclesiarchy fully apart from Holy Terra. This means that even by the letter of the law they are still "Imperial Worlds" governed by the High Lords of Terra, but in actuality, they are just as, if not more independent from the High Lords as Mars. So long as they continue to bind the Imperium together with the word of the Emperor, their power is as absolute as the Administratum's.

The second example is Vostroya, ruled by the Techtriarchs, but still loyal to the Administratum on Holy Terra - they aren't even technically part of the Mechanicus, but are still loyal to them. If you really wanted to have an entire sector dedicated to the Mechanicus Cult why not write it this way:

Your capital is a civilized Forge World, ruled by the Mechanicus. Every other planet is like Vostroya, heavily influenced by the Mechanicus and even facilitated by the cult, but still considered ruled by Lord Governors, Councils, or whatever as long as they are loyal to Terra first.

purplefood wrote:

 LoneLictor wrote:
You're ignoring me. The Mechanicum isn't an Empire. It doesn't conquer things. It doesn't take new sectors and disobey the Imperium.

The Mechanicum is the Imperium's bitch, and it's been that way since before the Horus Heresy.

It's more like they are partners...
The Imperium provides a meatshield to protect the Mechnicus and the Mechanicus gives them shiny weapons to fight with.

That sounds about right. The Mechanicum probably has far fewer worlds, but if they ever stopped working it could completely feth the Imperium.

DemetriDominov wrote:We talked about the Moirae Schism and how it influenced the Nova Terra Interregnum civil war that invariably lead to the Ecclesairchy's rise in power above that of the Mechanicus. Though your allegiance must always be first and foremost to the Emperor, having a system of forge worlds basically means you are governed by the Adeptus Mechanicus.

There are two things that support this:

Ophellia VII (previously V) is part of a greater system of shrine worlds dedicated to the Ecclesiarchy fully apart from Holy Terra. This means that even by the letter of the law they are still "Imperial Worlds" governed by the High Lords of Terra, but in actuality, they are just as, if not more independent from the High Lords as Mars. So long as they continue to bind the Imperium together with the word of the Emperor, their power is as absolute as the Administratum's.

The second example is Vostroya, ruled by the Techtriarchs, but still loyal to the Administratum on Holy Terra - they aren't even technically part of the Mechanicus, but are still loyal to them. If you really wanted to have an entire sector dedicated to the Mechanicus Cult why not write it this way:

Your capital is a civilized Forge World, ruled by the Mechanicus. Every other planet is like Vostroya, heavily influenced by the Mechanicus and even facilitated by the cult, but still considered ruled by Lord Governors, Councils, or whatever as long as they are loyal to Terra first.

I think that's a good plan. Although I'm not sure if the capital world will be a forge world. It will be heavily industrialized in many regions, but I think it would work better as an administrative world over production.

It just depends on how much influence you want from the Mechanicus. As previously stated, it would be difficult to justify an entire system heavily influenced and especially governed by the cult without a Mechanicus polis someplace.

 DemetriDominov wrote:
It just depends on how much influence you want from the Mechanicus. As previously stated, it would be difficult to justify an entire system heavily influenced and especially governed by the cult without a Mechanicus polis someplace.

I assume that it would probably have some connection with the rest of the Imperium, though the distance from other areas of the Imperium might make them not likely to send many people out their way. They might get advisors to help them set up the local offices and structure, but that would probably be about it.

I think a revolution where the Mechanicum "helped" would make the Sturmkrieg Sector extremely pro Mechanicum from the start.

dude you're lijke 70 man, are you sure you're young enough to write a book?

SouthTexanFrymire wrote:
dude you're lijke 70 man, are you sure you're young enough to write a book?

He's referring to your avatar

 thenoobbomb wrote:
He's referring to your avatar

And is a troll.

No, you serious?

No.

I am not.

thenoobbomb wrote:He's referring to your avatar

I started to figure that.

blood reaper wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
He's referring to your avatar

And is a troll.

...

So is a story where the Mechanicum shows up without much support, offers assistance to the Sturmkrieg Empire in putting down the revolution in exchange for annexation, they decline, the Mechanicum makes the same offer to Sternkampf, and they join the Mechanicum to gain "freedom" workable?

Why do the Mechanicum even make the offer? They don't need much support to take down a small sector.

 blood reaper wrote:
Why do the Mechanicum even make the offer? They don't need much support to take down a small sector.

So they're just going to go take over 100 worlds with an expeditionary force? I think it would be best to avoid that level of Mary Sue. Unless they have Matt Ward with them, it isn't going to happen.

Depends how well the worlds are willing to resist...
It also depends on whether those worlds have any decent Naval forces or not.

 purplefood wrote:
Depends how well the worlds are willing to resist...
It also depends on whether those worlds have any decent Naval forces or not.

That's true. Rotstein wouldn't exactly be willing to fight for Sturmkrieg, but that's assuming that the Sturmkrieg Empire can't put them up to it by claiming that the Mechanicum would be an even worse occupier. American Blacks fought against the Nazis, but that doesn't mean that they were treated well within the US, the Nazis would have been a far worse oppressor; there was probably also the component that they wanted to show that they could do everything White people could do. Back on topic, the rest of the Empire wouldn't want to resist. That also says nothing about whether or not the empire has a devoted military. Plus the purpose of the "assistance" is for the Mechanicum to avoid doing anything. When they "help," all they're doing is saying they're going to help, except for a few very important moments.

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
Why do the Mechanicum even make the offer? They don't need much support to take down a small sector.

So they're just going to go take over 100 worlds with an expeditionary force? I think it would be best to avoid that level of Mary Sue. Unless they have Matt Ward with them, it isn't going to happen.

Expected, as usual, oh and a reference to the Nazi's, that caught me off guard.

They wouldn't even try to invade, they'd just call in reinforcements and wait.

 blood reaper wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
Why do the Mechanicum even make the offer? They don't need much support to take down a small sector.

So they're just going to go take over 100 worlds with an expeditionary force? I think it would be best to avoid that level of Mary Sue. Unless they have Matt Ward with them, it isn't going to happen.

Expected, as usual, oh and a reference to the Nazi's, that caught me off guard.

They wouldn't even try to invade, they'd just call in reinforcements and wait.

So where are the Nazis? This one is completely you. You're the only one mentioning Nazis.

Except it's on the eastern fringe where they would be waiting for a long time for reinforcements. Plus it would mean that the Imperium would get the sector.

Sternkampf and the Mechanicum:

Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:So where are the Nazis? This one is completely you. You're the only one mentioning Nazis.

Well this;

Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote: American Blacks fought against the Nazis, but that doesn't mean that they were treated well within the US, the Nazis would have been a far worse oppressor; there was probably also the component that they wanted to show that they could do everything White people could do.

And this is odd....

Except it's on the eastern fringe where they would be waiting for a long time for reinforcements. Plus it would mean that the Imperium would get the sector.

The Mechanicus can wait, and it wouldn't take that long.

 blood reaper wrote:

Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:So where are the Nazis? This one is completely you. You're the only one mentioning Nazis.

Well this;

Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote: American Blacks fought against the Nazis, but that doesn't mean that they were treated well within the US, the Nazis would have been a far worse oppressor; there was probably also the component that they wanted to show that they could do everything White people could do.

And this is odd....

Except it's on the eastern fringe where they would be waiting for a long time for reinforcements. Plus it would mean that the Imperium would get the sector.

The Mechanicus can wait, and it wouldn't take that long.

It would also mean that the Imperium gets the sector.

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:

Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:So where are the Nazis? This one is completely you. You're the only one mentioning Nazis.

Well this;

Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote: American Blacks fought against the Nazis, but that doesn't mean that they were treated well within the US, the Nazis would have been a far worse oppressor; there was probably also the component that they wanted to show that they could do everything White people could do.

And this is odd....

Except it's on the eastern fringe where they would be waiting for a long time for reinforcements. Plus it would mean that the Imperium would get the sector.

The Mechanicus can wait, and it wouldn't take that long.

It would also mean that the Imperium gets the sector.

But why do this? Just have them steam roll it, demolish the culture and so on. The Mechanicus don't work this way, they work for the Imperium, and the Imperium would steamroll this empire.

Eh they kinda do.
The Mechnicus is an empire within an empire.
More of a symbiotic empire actually since they both depend on each other.

 blood reaper wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:

Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:So where are the Nazis? This one is completely you. You're the only one mentioning Nazis.

Well this;

Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote: American Blacks fought against the Nazis, but that doesn't mean that they were treated well within the US, the Nazis would have been a far worse oppressor; there was probably also the component that they wanted to show that they could do everything White people could do.

And this is odd....

Except it's on the eastern fringe where they would be waiting for a long time for reinforcements. Plus it would mean that the Imperium would get the sector.

The Mechanicus can wait, and it wouldn't take that long.

It would also mean that the Imperium gets the sector.

But why do this? Just have them steam roll it, demolish the culture and so on. The Mechanicus don't work this way, they work for the Imperium, and the Imperium would steamroll this empire.

Why is it important to you to steamroll it? And why is the culture significant?

 purplefood wrote:
Eh they kinda do.
The Mechnicus is an empire within an empire.
More of a symbiotic empire actually since they both depend on each other.

Yeah, the Mechanicum could be trying to get a large holding for itself, and wouldn't want the Imperium to get involved during the annexation.

They could do it fairly easily without involving the Imperium.
That said. 100 consecutive worlds is rather a lot for the Mechanicus. It's more likely they'd try and take over maybe 20 of them and leave the rest for the Imperium to take.

Also, why does it have to be a 100?

It's a bit much.