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purplefood wrote:They could do it fairly easily without involving the Imperium.
That said. 100 consecutive worlds is rather a lot for the Mechanicus. It's more likely they'd try and take over maybe 20 of them and leave the rest for the Imperium to take.

It's not like the rest of the other worlds would come and attack.

blood reaper wrote:Also, why does it have to be a 100?

It's a bit much.

I remember a long time ago being told that 60 worlds (another 40 in Rotstein) was a good number. It allows for a lot of diversity in worlds, but is small enough that it allows for a somewhat detailed background to be written on each world. The entire Volianvan Sector was written around the basis that Sturmkrieg was 60 worlds. I also endlessly get crapped on for being too small.

Is this at a good place yet?

http://www.sturmkrieg.us/Sternkampf_Revolution#.UTtEfuvwJsU

Have you changed anything?

It sounds like you just want to write about an incredibly German empire with all the strengths of the Imperium and the Mechanicum, but non of the weaknesses.

 LoneLictor wrote:
Have you changed anything?

It sounds like you just want to write about an incredibly German empire with all the strengths of the Imperium and the Mechanicum, but non of the weaknesses.

I haven't changed a lot yet. They lack psykers as part of their lack of psychic presence, and are therefore limited to very short jumps through the Warp, which severely limits how far they can travel without transport from somewhere else provided for them. Basically it means they rely on the Volianvan Sector, or they don't go anywhere.

I'm more talking about cultural and moral flaws. The Imperium is xenophobic and irrational. The Mechanicum is downright insane at times.

They appear to be really dumb...
Putting their leaders into stasis is a fairly stupid idea.
More so when they actually realise how dumb it is.

purplefood wrote:They appear to be really dumb...
Putting their leaders into stasis is a fairly stupid idea.
More so when they actually realise how dumb it is.

I think he's trying to reference Vladimir Lenin's corpse being preserved.

But he's forgetting that they didn't preserve Lenin alive. Its not like Stalin ambushed him in the night and drowned him with embalming fluid, in case they would need him in the future.

I'd have to say the reason people find your 'SturmKrieg' thing uninteresting and stupid, is because you have put far, far, to much emphasis on the labyrinthine and completely dull political/rebellion/whatever stuff. When you hear stories in 40k about guard armies, you don't read stories about how the frowned-upon political reforms of Steve McRambo, the Catachan prime-minister, cause quite a stir, or the unequal treamtent of Cadia's lower classes. No, you hear about their great tales of battle and death, dramatic stories of glorious victories and horrific defeats, things that capture the attention of the reader and make them want to find out more about the rich background.

And so far as I can see, Sturmkrieg has none of that whatsoever.

 LoneLictor wrote:

purplefood wrote:They appear to be really dumb...
Putting their leaders into stasis is a fairly stupid idea.
More so when they actually realise how dumb it is.

I think he's trying to reference Vladimir Lenin's corpse being preserved.

But he's forgetting that they didn't preserve Lenin alive. Its not like Stalin ambushed him in the night and drowned him with embalming fluid, in case they would need him in the future.

That was completely accidental. I was not thinking about that at all.

TheRobotLol wrote:I'd have to say the reason people find your 'SturmKrieg' thing uninteresting and stupid, is because you have put far, far, to much emphasis on the labyrinthine and completely dull political/rebellion/whatever stuff. When you hear stories in 40k about guard armies, you don't read stories about how the frowned-upon political reforms of Steve McRambo, the Catachan prime-minister, or the unequal treamtent of Cadia's lower classes. No, you hear about their great tales of battle and death, dramatic stories of glorious victories and horrific defeats, things that capture the attention of the reader and make them want to find out more.

And so far as I can see, Sturmkrieg has none of that whatsoever.

If done right, politics can be interesting. But, in order for it to be interesting, there needs to be something at stake that the readers care about.

Sturmkrieg is lacking in that. Just telling me that the lower classes were oppressed doesn't suddenly make me feel outraged, and it certainly doesn't make me hold my breath waiting for a political reform in this fictional world.

 TheRobotLol wrote:
I'd have to say the reason people find your 'SturmKrieg' thing uninteresting and stupid, is because you have put far, far, to much emphasis on the labyrinthine and completely dull political/rebellion/whatever stuff. When you hear stories in 40k about guard armies, you don't read stories about how the frowned-upon political reforms of Steve McRambo, the Catachan prime-minister, or the unequal treamtent of Cadia's lower classes. No, you hear about their great tales of battle and death, dramatic stories of glorious victories and horrific defeats, things that capture the attention of the reader and make them want to find out more.

And so far as I can see, Sturmkrieg has none of that whatsoever.

Yeah, good point. I agree. The reason I have so much focus on that now is because I've been trying to establish the origin of it. I'll work on grand stories that are more in line with the rest of the 40k stories. Probably losses, to prevent too much awesome.

 purplefood wrote:
They appear to be really dumb...
Putting their leaders into stasis is a fairly stupid idea.
More so when they actually realise how dumb it is.

I think I even said how dumb it is, because they'll be out of it when they wake up and not know how to effectively deal with situations, which is what they would be wanted for, other than symbolic value.

Assuming the Emperor isn't actually dead, he's also in stasis. Or his body is.

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 purplefood wrote:
They appear to be really dumb...
Putting their leaders into stasis is a fairly stupid idea.
More so when they actually realise how dumb it is.

I think I even said how dumb it is, because they'll be out of it when they wake up and not know how to effectively deal with situations, which is what they would be wanted for, other than symbolic value.

Assuming the Emperor isn't actually dead, he's also in stasis. Or his body is.

Yeah so why do it?
They aren't dumb. They're intelligent people (I assume they are since they managed to overthrow an entire empire)
Also like LL said the politics can be interesting but you need to actually make it interesting.

 purplefood wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 purplefood wrote:
They appear to be really dumb...
Putting their leaders into stasis is a fairly stupid idea.
More so when they actually realise how dumb it is.

I think I even said how dumb it is, because they'll be out of it when they wake up and not know how to effectively deal with situations, which is what they would be wanted for, other than symbolic value.

Assuming the Emperor isn't actually dead, he's also in stasis. Or his body is.

Yeah so why do it?
They aren't dumb. They're intelligent people (I assume they are since they managed to overthrow an entire empire)
Also like LL said the politics can be interesting but you need to actually make it interesting.

Yeah, good point. I remember there being something I wanted to use them for farther into the development of the Sturmkrieg Sector I wanted to use them for. If there's still some particular story, a case of the Warp shooting out a ship thousands of years later would take care of it.

 LoneLictor wrote:

purplefood wrote:They appear to be really dumb...
Putting their leaders into stasis is a fairly stupid idea.
More so when they actually realise how dumb it is.

I think he's trying to reference Vladimir Lenin's corpse being preserved.

But he's forgetting that they didn't preserve Lenin alive. Its not like Stalin ambushed him in the night and drowned him with embalming fluid, in case they would need him in the future.

That sounds like something crazy enough to be in the 40K universe. If anything, make this the story behind Sturmkrieg. Their leader is a zombie lenin who rises from his stasis pod to defeat the evils of the Imperium and starts a civil war.

 Arcsquad12 wrote:

 LoneLictor wrote:

purplefood wrote:They appear to be really dumb...
Putting their leaders into stasis is a fairly stupid idea.
More so when they actually realise how dumb it is.

I think he's trying to reference Vladimir Lenin's corpse being preserved.

But he's forgetting that they didn't preserve Lenin alive. Its not like Stalin ambushed him in the night and drowned him with embalming fluid, in case they would need him in the future.

That sounds like something crazy enough to be in the 40K universe. If anything, make this the story behind Sturmkrieg. Their leader is a zombie lenin who rises from his stasis pod to defeat the evils of the Imperium and starts a civil war.

You're right, that would be interesting. The leader is preserved against his own will, in the name of misplaced concern for the future. After all, what will Sturmkrieg do without him?

Then, in the future, when things are bad, he's reawakened. He sees that Sturmkrieg is the Imperium's bitch, and he's horrified. He wanted the Imperium to treat Sturmkrieg as an independent, sovereign nation, not a territory. So he leads a rebellion.

And that's what Sturmkrieg is about. An old man, fighting a war no one remembers, leading a moderate sized sector's rebellion against the Imperium. Normally the Imperium would just destroy the rebellion right off the bat, but with the 13th Black Crusade, its resources are stretched thin, and Sturmkrieg has a fighting chance to gain independence.

And now we have our reason for starting a civil war.

Nah, they serve the Mechanicum and Imperium.

One major problem with that: out on the eastern fringe, they'll probably hardly ever have contact with anyone else in the Imperium, other than the Volianvan Sector. Most of the contact after annexation would be transport convoys coming to pick up supplies from the factories.

Sternkampf is also fully aware that annexation means subordination to the Mechanicum and Imperium. It's better than being part of an estate for the ruling class.

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
Nah, they serve the Mechanicum and Imperium.

One major problem with that: out on the eastern fringe, they'll probably hardly ever have contact with anyone else in the Imperium, other than the Volianvan Sector. Most of the contact after annexation would be transport convoys coming to pick up supplies from the factories.

Sternkampf is also fully aware that annexation means subordination to the Mechanicum and Imperium. It's better than being part of an estate for the ruling class.

So an independent empire just randomly decided, "Hey, we're fine with giving up all our power and serving a bunch of religious freaks!"

If the common people were willing to revolt against the Space Czar Nicholas II, then they'll certainly be willing to revolt against their new leaders selling them to the Imperium.

 LoneLictor wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
Nah, they serve the Mechanicum and Imperium.

One major problem with that: out on the eastern fringe, they'll probably hardly ever have contact with anyone else in the Imperium, other than the Volianvan Sector. Most of the contact after annexation would be transport convoys coming to pick up supplies from the factories.

Sternkampf is also fully aware that annexation means subordination to the Mechanicum and Imperium. It's better than being part of an estate for the ruling class.

So an independent empire just randomly decided, "Hey, we're fine with giving up all our power and serving a bunch of religious freaks!"

If the common people were willing to revolt against the Space Czar Nicholas II, then they'll certainly be willing to revolt against their new leaders selling them to the Imperium.

I think that's why the idea of the Mechanicus assisting the rebels was introduced. It would help gain the goodwill of the people and, considering the Imperium largely allows planets to operate their own government as long as they pay the tithes they would probably be fine being annexed by the Imperium.

 purplefood wrote:

 LoneLictor wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
Nah, they serve the Mechanicum and Imperium.

One major problem with that: out on the eastern fringe, they'll probably hardly ever have contact with anyone else in the Imperium, other than the Volianvan Sector. Most of the contact after annexation would be transport convoys coming to pick up supplies from the factories.

Sternkampf is also fully aware that annexation means subordination to the Mechanicum and Imperium. It's better than being part of an estate for the ruling class.

So an independent empire just randomly decided, "Hey, we're fine with giving up all our power and serving a bunch of religious freaks!"

If the common people were willing to revolt against the Space Czar Nicholas II, then they'll certainly be willing to revolt against their new leaders selling them to the Imperium.

I think that's why the idea of the Mechanicus assisting the rebels was introduced. It would help gain the goodwill of the people and, considering the Imperium largely allows planets to operate their own government as long as they pay the tithes they would probably be fine being annexed by the Imperium.

Yeah, that's what I was going to say. They'd also be securing the "assistance" of the Mechanicum, who then frames it in such a way that it looks like the Mechanicum is the great savior from the Sturmkrieg Empire, when they did the minimum amount of work possible and only got involved when they had to. Sternkampf is also a massively religious organization. The only issue I can see is that the Sturmkrieg version of the Machine God requires constant technological improvement until Humanity becomes one with the Great Creator. All they'd have to do is not work on development for a few decades after annexation until the foreign Techpriests are satisfied that they've learned the ways of the Mechanicum, which in many ways would be nearly identical.

Is this a better version of the revolution?

http://www.sturmkrieg.us/Sternkampf_Revolution#.UUoYxFvwIbo

There is some weird phrasing "As the poverty became worse, it attracted large numbers of followers." This makes it sound like poverty was gaining followers...
You also kept the stupid stasis idea...
What exactly did you change?

I still like my zombie lenin idea.

 purplefood wrote:
There is some weird phrasing "As the poverty became worse, it attracted large numbers of followers." This makes it sound like poverty was gaining followers...
You also kept the stupid stasis idea...
What exactly did you change?

I forgot that was still in there.

And I'll change the line so it's less ambiguous.

 Arcsquad12 wrote:
I still like my zombie lenin idea.

Are you saying it would be a good idea?

So why are they being kept in stasis?

I was thinking recently about having the de-germanization be an in-story element in addition to an edition process. I was thinking about having it be part of the process of destroying the culture of the Sturmkrieg Empire that Sternkampf begins after being annexed by the Mechanicum.

Or you could have it never exist like it would have done if there was a god...

 purplefood wrote:
Or you could have in never exist like it would have done if there was a god...

WAT?

I think in his rather abrasive way, Purps is telling you that Sturmkrieg shouldn't have had all the massive Germinzation to begin wiht...