LlamaAgility wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
New unit.

Astartes deamonhost
When a psychicly active aspirant fails the many trials to become a librairian the relictors find another use for the failure, with the aid of a maleus inquisitor they subject the aspirant to the horrors of the warp, drawing a deamon from the warp and binding it within the unfortunate aspirant, thus even in failure a use is found.
Type: infantry, character
Points: 50.
Unit: 1-3
Elites
Ws 5
Bs 3
S 5
T 4
I 5
A d6
W 3
Ld 10
Sv 5++
Wargear: chains of binding ( close combat weapon)

Special rules: fearless, fear, brotherhood of psykers, mastery level 1, hammer of wrath, rending attacks.
The unit must randomly select 1 power each from the following disciplines, each model may select a different discipline.
Pyromancy, biomancy, divination, telepathy

Upgrades: they unit may buy up to 2 additional models for 50pts each.
The unit may be upgraded to any ONE of the following types.
Host of tzeench: the unit gains +1 to its invulnerable save, +1 bs and it may also roll on the tzeench psychic power table. 15pts per model.

Host of nurgle: the unit gains +1 t, feel no pain usr and slow and purposeful, in addition it may roll on the nurgle psychic powers table. 25pts per model

Host of slaanesh: the deamon adds +1 to its I value and gains the hit and run usr, in addition when ever the unit runs it adds +3 to its roll, the model may also roll on the slaanesh psychic powers table. 20pts per model

Host of.the blood god. The deamon adds +1 to its ws, gains rage and counter attack usr, the unit also adds +2 to its deny the witch rolls. 15 pts per model.
If a model upgrades to any of the above, the whole unit MUST take the same upgrade, the unit may NEVER be join OR be joined by another unit or character.

Sooo this is my deamonhost unit for relictors

I like the effort here. As I was thinking on what to actually add next, I'll probably work this into my codex sometime.
Now I'll start on tweaking wargear and unit pricing on the Radical units.


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All right, now added "Astartes Daemonhost".
I'll go about working on the inquisitor's retinue, and maybe I'll be done with the radicals for now.

wargey wrote:
I would have thought the inquiston would hate the relictors and try to destroy them due to the use of chaos icons.

Maybe try and turn the thing into a PDF file though.

Maybe try and turn the thing into a PDF file though.

I will, when it is finished. At least I'm thinking about it...

 EnormousName wrote:

Maybe try and turn the thing into a PDF file though.

I will, when it is finished. At least I'm thinking about it...

Well the format isn't all that crucial yet, since the internal balance still needs tweaking.

I feel that the necrodermis armour as it is now, is quite overpowered in comparison to the other options. There isn't much use to say, terminator or artificer armour on the inquisitor because the necrodermis is so much better, and only 5pts more than artificer, and actually cheaper than termie armor, while also allowing sweeping advances.

Also please do drop the stormtrooper razorback to the usual cost of 40pts.


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Just adding a few of my ideas for ''acquired'' wargear.

Targeting array - 25pts

Spoiler:

A high-powered array used for scanning targets for ground-based weaponry. High power usage limits the time of use, however.

Once per game the bearer may activate the tageting array instead of moving and shooting. When the array is activated, any models in the bearer's unit may
choose to take advantage of the array's data in the shooting phase, provided they didn't move.
Models using the array may re-roll to hit rolls of a 1 against any target without any of the following rules/type: flyer, jump, bike, jetbike, jink.
If shooting at a unit with a jink save, any successful jink saves must be re-rolled.
If shooting against flyers, the model's weapons count as twin-linked instead, and one model may fire a single weapon using the skyfire special rule.

Reflective forcefield generator - 25pts

Spoiler:

Any friendly units within 3" of the bearer of the forcefield have a 5+ invulnerable save. If the save is passed, the closest enemy unit within 6" suffers a hit at the same
strength and AP as the shot saved by the field. If there is no enemy unit within 6", no shot is reflected.

If the bearer suffers a wound roll a D6. On a 3+ the generator is damaged and has no effect for the rest of the game.

Accursed Crozius - 20pts

Spoiler:

Formerly a blessed symbol of office, this crozius has been tainted with the baleful energies of the Dark gods. The weapon now demands constant bloodshed.

Range: melee
S: +2
AP: 4
Special rules: concussive, cursed

Cursed: The bearer and his unit have the crusader and zealot USRs, but enemy units assaulting the bearer's unit gain the rage USR.

Stasis wave generator - 25pts

Spoiler:

This arcane device releases a shockwave of time-distorting energies, severely disorienting its targets.

Range: template
S: 3
AP: -
Special rules: Concussive, strikedown, blind, stasis anomaly

Stasis anomaly: every model in a unit hit by this weapon suffers a penalty of -1 to their WS and I until the end of the current player turn.

I'm still not entirely sure on the pricing, but it can be changed later on.

wargey wrote:
I would have thought the inquiston would hate the relictors and try to destroy them due to the use of chaos icons.

 Formosa wrote:
Ok I have tested the deamonhost in a couple of games

Here is the revised upgrades.

Special rules: add: the unit may elect to deep strike, if they do so place the unit as normal but do not roll for scatter.

Upgrades:
Slaanesh: add, unit type changes to beast.
Nurgle: add, poison attack 4+. upgrade changed to 20pts
Tzeench: add, unit type changes to infantry ( jump)
Khorne: add: cannot cast psychic powers, and loses psyker special rule. Add: fury of khorne, deamons rending attacks are rending 5+

Deamonhost cost reduced to 40pts per model.

 Formosa wrote:
Will do.

wargey wrote:
Nice dex

 Lord Magnus wrote:
Decario seems to be lacking quite a bit of fluff, from Lexicanum there is only a small amount on him. Do you plan on making him more akin to a Chaos Sorcerer, a Librarian, or a mix of the 2?

 Formosa wrote:
Ok tested the revised daemonhosts.

What they are good at: these guys mince the living hell out of everything short of power armour, this includes vehicles up to av12, they die horribly to terminators. As it should be.

What they are not good at: slow slow slow, after my opponent realised what these guys could do he kept them at arms length and str 8 them to death, this unit suffers from "tyranid warrior syndrome"

How to fix: further lower the cost to 35pts base OR improve the invulnerable save by 1 for the same cost.

Host of.khorne: Jesus Christ this unit eats anything it touches, if I roll average and get a 4 on my attacks, on the charge its 4+2 so 6 each, conbine this with rending and this little unit murders meq and up.

Host of nurgle: these are a bitch to kill, not as nasty as plague marines but hard, t 5 fnp keeps them around for ages and just gives them the edge on the charge vs most units.

Slaanesh: nippy little buggers usually kill enough of a unit on the charge to negate attacks back, very fast and killy, also great in a challenge.

Host of tzeench: I found myself running around with pyromancy on this unit trolling the crap out of units, the 4++ helps keep them alive and the +1 bs means they can actually shoot well, if you take this unit you want to get spontaneous combustion, it's hilarious.

All in all a fun and unique unit.

Orkimedes1000 wrote:
sounds good in theory. but it really seems like your trashing several units already available in favour of getting advantages from another codex. with some modification and in gaming lee way to change things that are required i'd play against this force. but tbh imho i'd either use existing rules ie using both existing chaos/space marine codex....by introducing inquisitorial units is a bit odd radical or staunch an inquisitor still hunts chaos all the same (as far as dark heresy is concerned). the usage of chaotic items is ok however if using the aformentioned radical inquisition, then the limit should be no more than a 0-1 per hq choice with exclusion of inquisitors (Radical inquisitors still hide their true nature or be brokered towards the fires of damnation- much the same as any heretic)- thus chaotic items must not be given to them- they know too many secrets. by tweaking background and adding over/under priced equipment would leave much to be desired for an opponent....for they to would need to be book keeping (many beardy players out there- Zogit ).....on the subject of whom get the usage of artifacts of chaos- non chaos allies or rules 0-1 per HQ IC, Inquisitorial allies- 0-1 per army, chaotic allies- 1-to the limit of points allowance on wargear (max 10)- limited to HQ/Elites & Heavy Support. make corruption D66/D100 chart and roll each time (with say 20% culimative stacking bonus's while 60-80% left for varied results ie result 99: Effects/special rules: +1 str until suffered first wound....adjust prices so they are similar within the codex items (now and then- past and present) or they have a tenedency to be over/under powered to price ratio.....just some random thoughts....good job so far

I used them as being able to select there discipline, random roll before game as per normal psyker rules.

It is worth noting a 3++ on the tzeench ones is pretty nasty but thats only if they remain 40pts each, otherwise up them to t5 and 35 pts, my intention for the unit is not to be too expensive that you will never take them, but not too cheap that they are spamable. I also did not want the unit to have access to divination as even though they are bound, they are.still deamons and would not aid the people around them willingly or otherwise, plus codex marines does not have access to divination and I dont think they should.I used them as being able to select there discipline, random roll before game as per normal psyker rules.

 Orkimedes1000 wrote:
i apologize for the format.. .in rules land :( ....but i agree if used within a smaller scale and/or if including Inquisitorial allies , or if included within the codex itself, then there should be a limit to the ammount of corruption can be beneficial or negative for effects, maybe on a roll of 1-3 * with a daemon weapon or artifact gives more corruption points or wounds the bearer, 1 wound, bearer may not assault this player turn.....tbh i really like the idea of (atleast for apoc or bigger sized games) that d100 chart early on relictors gain benefits later the enemy does. i will test this out (my idea is basically a mutation chart/corruption point counter/limits for damnation and what the different bonus between low corruption and high corruption and whom it affects/applies to)




*Roll to hit 1-3 daemon weapon/artifact affects bearer negatively / any other test requiring a d6 roll 4-6 strikes normally or works normally....fluff: bearer is in semi control of artifact/wargear item which is corrupt/chaotic


also the the item grows as the character becomes more damned. in Apoc sized games it creates in game narration. (atleast thats the theory)

 Formosa wrote:
Tis true, just really dislike the idea of demons buffing there captors lol, look at cherubael, the only way eisenhorn could get it to cooperate was to bind it so much it lost a vast majority of it power, and even then it still didn't cooperate fully....bloody love those books.