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i.e the PCS, all the PISs and heavy weapons squads, etc.

I don't think so. His power affects a "unit" and the parts of a platoon are considered separate units during deployment onwards.

He can outflank a squadron of Demolishers though, which is quite funny.

Ah lame...I was looking at him as an alternative to Al Rahem but unless I can get PCS with special weapons or special weapon squads, it's not really worth it.

rossatdi wrote:
I don't think so. His power affects a "unit" and the parts of a platoon are considered separate units during deployment onwards.

He can outflank a squadron of Demolishers though, which is quite funny.

Can he join a Vehicle unit? Thought that wasn't allowed.

Or am I confusing Demolishers with something else? I dont play IG, sorry.

Err... The platoon is one unit when its blobbed up. Thats a decision to make at the time of deployment. The special weapon teams, command squads, ect are not part of this unit, though, and have to deploy normally.

The reason its never done is that is a logistical nightmare to move 50+ blob models on the board from an edge and have them do anything productive before the end of the game, especially in a tournament setting. Outflanking infantry is even less productive in this edition and most of the throw away units can do it.

The platoon is not one unit if made into a blob, it is a minimum of two units (the PCS and the PIS).

However, all elements of a platoon deploy in the same manner.

So the question is: if Creed makes on squads in the platoon outflank, then does the whole platoon outflank?

I think there was a discussion with similar implications involving Valks before 6E came out.

40k-noob wrote:

rossatdi wrote:
I don't think so. His power affects a "unit" and the parts of a platoon are considered separate units during deployment onwards.

He can outflank a squadron of Demolishers though, which is quite funny.

Can he join a Vehicle unit? Thought that wasn't allowed.

Or am I confusing Demolishers with something else? I dont play IG, sorry.

Creed doesn't have to join the unit for it to be able to outflank. He just nominates a unit.

Per the FAQ:
Page 96 – Infantry Platoon, second sentence
Change to: “Each Infantry Platoon is deployed in place of a
single unit in missions that limit the number units that can be
deployed. In addition when making a reserve or outflanking
roll, roll once for the whole Infantry Platoon. Any units in
reserve that are embarked upon a non-dedicated transport are
instead rolled for separately.”

So yeh I would think they would deploy as a single Unit for Creed's Special rule.

The whole platoon uses a single roll to come in (except those in non-dedicated transports). If the whole platoon is outflanking (such as with Al-Raheem (or whatever is his name is)), then you roll once for where they come in on..

My FLGS has a player that runs Creed, and we all made the call that Creed can't out-flank a whole platoon, but he can outflank blobs and things.

Even then, why would you use Creed to outflank a platoon when you could just use Al-Raheem to do it then use Creed to outflank tanks or something hahaha

EDIT: However, with the new FAQ and it's re-wording I actually tend to think he could outflank the platoon if you wanted to. Out-flanking two whole platoons in the enemies deployment, or close to, is gonna be really fun for me I feel...

The FAQ says that they count as one unit in missions that limit the number of units that can be deployed. Creed's special rule is not a mission that limits the number of units that can be deployed so the IP does not count as one unit.

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 Phazael wrote:
Err... The platoon is one unit when its blobbed up. Thats a decision to make at the time of deployment. The special weapon teams, command squads, ect are not part of this unit, though, and have to deploy normal

I'm sorry I might be wrong but reading Stalk the Enemy, Al'rahem entire Infantry Platoon should be able to come in which would include SWS, HWS and Conscripts. If this has been changed in an FAQ then so be it but to my understanding you could outflank with over a 100 men if you were crazy enough.

 Che-Vito wrote:
I will introduce a bit of anarchy into your world: The Force Organization Chart limits the number of units that can be deployed. Aka, every mission.

No it doesn't, and I don't really understand where you could have gotten this idea.
Nothing on pages 108-109 mention deployment at all and page 121 specifically goes to say contrary: FOC slots are not taken into account when deploying units.

FOC only limits the number of choices you can make for your army. It doesn't (directly) limit number of units that can be deployed in any way. FOC might indirectly limit number of units that can be deployed, but that is extremely unlikely as you're far more likely to run out of points than actually fill FOC.

 BloodySaroritus wrote:
Per the FAQ:
Page 96 – Infantry Platoon, second sentence
Change to: “Each Infantry Platoon is deployed in place of a
single unit in missions that limit the number units that can be
deployed. In addition when making a reserve or outflanking
roll, roll once for the whole Infantry Platoon. Any units in
reserve that are embarked upon a non-dedicated transport are
instead rolled for separately.”

So yeh I would think they would deploy as a single Unit for Creed's Special rule.

All that says is that you roll once for the entire Platoon to come in from reserves. It doesn't say that you get to outflank them all. The units that don't have Outflank would have to come on from their table edge as normal Reserves.

 Che-Vito wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
The FAQ says that they count as one unit in missions that limit the number of units that can be deployed. Creed's special rule is not a mission that limits the number of units that can be deployed so the IP does not count as one unit.

I will introduce a bit of anarchy into your world: The Force Organization Chart limits the number of units that can be deployed. Aka, every mission.

Absolutely false. Nice try though.

He gives a single unit outflank, how could you possibly outflank a unit without this ability?

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No. The mission itself does not limit the number of units that can be deployed.

The FOC might/does, but you'll note that the FOC is not a mission special rule. There are no book missions where that FAQ applies.

I find this being odd...I always assumed he outflanked the whole platoon since thats what the rule said to me, but that was when guard book came out in 5th....odd question being asked now.

You can always choose to do this with capt al instead: in 5th I outflanked a whole platoon of squads in chimeras for the hell of it, since his entry states that his whole platoon "must" outflank.

as for the mission restriction: there was one mission in 5th that limited your army to two troop choices and an HQ, That may have been the mission restriction the FAQ references.