Why is there no thread on this? Ex Cop waging one man war on LAPD

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**Alfndrate**

I could see taking away the 5th amendment rights for Anwar al-Awlaki who advocating attacks against the American government which is treason if I recall correctly. But Dorner is technically attacking parts of the American government (albeit local), so does that make him guilty of treason... Am I splitting hairs? idk D:

**Grey Templar**

Well, he is technically attacking the local government. Pretty sure Treason deals with the Federal government only.

**Alfndrate**

Grey Templar wrote:
Well, he is technically attacking the local government. Pretty sure Treason deals with the Federal government only.

I thought so as well, as crazy as this guy is/seems, I still find it extremely wrong that he's not going to get his due process, and he's more likely going to get some Punisher type of justice that involves setting fire to his house in the shape of a skull or... ya know taking 1 between the eyes...

**Grey Templar**

Of course it pretty much is his choice. He could give himself up in a public place. That way if the police just shoot him it would make them look very bad.

If he goes down fighting in an obscure area its really down to what the police say happened.

**rubiksnoob**

Alfndrate wrote:
whembly wrote:
Alfndrate wrote:
Remember, even in our country even the whackos deserve due process of law. The problem is that 1 of 2 things are likely to happen 1) He gets cornered and takes his own life, or 2) He gets shot regardless of how he is captured, simply because he's a cop killer, and most of them probably want revenge. I know that I probably would if I were in the LAPD's seat.

Yeah I know... I'm being melodramatic. I didn't mean to advocate assassination.

Just get the fether and throw the book at him.

Well we're more likely to throw a drone at him since he is one of the few people on US soil to get the green light to be targeted by drones.

http://news.yahoo.com/christopher-dorner-drones-death-due-process-075500100.html

Maybe I missed it, but where in that article did it say the green light had been given to target him with drones? I didn't see that anywhere.

**Alfndrate**

Grey Templar wrote:
Of course it pretty much is his choice. He could give himself up in a public place. That way if the police just shoot him it would make them look very bad.

If he goes down fighting in an obscure area its really down to what the police say happened.

Obviously he needs a TV crew to follow him around and security cams to broadcast to the youtubes for the final showdown...

**Alfndrate**

Wrong article on the clipboard

I have paid for my sins three fold:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/dorner-drone-manhunt-192403607.html

The Express wrote:On Sunday, the Express quoted a "senior police source" who said the "thermal imaging cameras the drones use may be our only hope of finding him—on the ground, it's like looking for a needle in a haystack."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/11/christopher-dorner-drones_n_2663871.html

Police Chief Sergio Diaz wrote:When asked if drones had been deployed to search for Dorner, Riverside Police Chief Sergio Diaz told the Express, “we are using all the tools at our disposal.”

And the Express article:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/376732/Man-hunt-for-ex-soldier-who-shot-police-chief-s-daughter-and-killed-policeman

**Sir Pseudonymous**

I don't mean a literal hostage situation, I was drawing a parallel.

**Alfndrate**

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:

I don't mean a literal hostage situation, I was drawing a parallel.

Which is why I said even if you were using it as an example, he would/should based on his training be able to plan for such an event.

**Frazzled**

rubiksnoob wrote:
Alfndrate wrote:
whembly wrote:
Alfndrate wrote:
Remember, even in our country even the whackos deserve due process of law. The problem is that 1 of 2 things are likely to happen 1) He gets cornered and takes his own life, or 2) He gets shot regardless of how he is captured, simply because he's a cop killer, and most of them probably want revenge. I know that I probably would if I were in the LAPD's seat.

Yeah I know... I'm being melodramatic. I didn't mean to advocate assassination.

Just get the fether and throw the book at him.

Well we're more likely to throw a drone at him since he is one of the few people on US soil to get the green light to be targeted by drones.

http://news.yahoo.com/christopher-dorner-drones-death-due-process-075500100.html

Maybe I missed it, but where in that article did it say the green light had been given to target him with drones? I didn't see that anywhere.

I think thats a severe miss quote. There was a report that they had a drone looking for him. They're good at that, but its no different then a helicopter.

**Alfndrate**

We'll see, I have no problem being wrong.

**Sir Pseudonymous**

Alfndrate wrote:
Sir Pseudonymous wrote:

I don't mean a literal hostage situation, I was drawing a parallel.

Which is why I said even if you were using it as an example, he would/should based on his training be able to plan for such an event.

My point being that whether or not the "peaceful" demoralization works (which would be, in this case, introducing some hesitation or other error into his actions if he can be made to harbor a doubt, however weak, about his delusions of persecution), the violent option still gets in place, and will almost certainly be enacted the first time they have half a chance. Introducing any element of indecision or error into his behavior, however small or unlikely, can only improve the odds of the actual plan working and at worst fails to effect it.

**Alfndrate**

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:
Alfndrate wrote:
Sir Pseudonymous wrote:

I don't mean a literal hostage situation, I was drawing a parallel.

Which is why I said even if you were using it as an example, he would/should based on his training be able to plan for such an event.

My point being that whether or not the "peaceful" demoralization works (which would be, in this case, introducing some hesitation or other error into his actions if he can be made to harbor a doubt, however weak, about his delusions of persecution), the violent option still gets in place, and will almost certainly be enacted the first time they have half a chance. Introducing any element of indecision or error into his behavior, however small or unlikely, can only improve the odds of the actual plan working and at worst fails to effect it.

Success would violate the man's due process of law.

**whembly**

Twitterverse is hopping...there's an ongoing fire-fight with the suspect.

Also, Doner my have been involved in recent robbery.

**DutchKillsRambo**

Wow there is a lot of conspiracy crap going on with this one. The whole thing is like a Bucky Phillips repeat from a few years ago.

**whembly**

More:

The fugitive ex-LAPD cop suspected of killing three and declaring war on the force exchanged gunfire with authorities in the San Bernardino Mountains, law enforcement sources said.

A police source told The Associated Press Christopher Dorner burglarized a cabin on the mountain resort area where days ago Dorner’s truck was found burning. Two people were bound inside the cabin, but one managed to escape and call authorities around 12:50 p.m. local time.

Police, who had been swarming Big Bear Lake since the weekend, responded and spotted and chased a suspect believed to be Dorner in a stolen car, exchanging gunfire, a federal law enforcement source told Fox News.
San Bernardino police were on the scene the county Sheriff's Department shut down Highway 38 to create a choke point, sources told Fox News. It was unclear if Dorner was in custody.

The shootout came after a day of searching and speculation, with authorities continuing their door-to-door search at Big Bear Lake, even as sources guessed Dorner may have made it over the border and into Mexico.
The Associated Pres

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Reports now coming in that Dorner is in a cabin and it is surrounded.

Following real time at twitchy...

**Frazzled**

CNN is now saying he is burricaded in a cabin as well.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/12/police-checking-reports-that-ex-lapd-officer-dorner-sighted/?hpt=hp_t1

**Bromsy**

Sounds like it's over and done with.

http://www.10news.com/news/authorities-investigate-possible-dorner-sighting-in-big-bear-feb-12-2013

**Breotan**

Guess it's up to dental/DNA to confirm.

**d-usa**

How convinient. Clearly another false-flag operation by Obama to get our guns.

**whembly**

d-usa wrote:
How convinient. Clearly another false-flag operation by Obama to get our guns.

Well... he polled really poorly during his 2nd amendment bit at the SOTU tonight...

But, other than that, he knocked it out.

**Monster Rain**

I hope it's him.

What a dick.

**Bromsy**

I have no doubt the LAPD has problems with racism and the blue wall. I might even have been on this dudes side if he would have gone after those who 'wronged' him. When he started targeting their loved ones, he lost any sympathy I had. But major PDs still need a look.

**Monster Rain**

"Been on his side"? In a string of vigilante murders?

That is, to put it as politely as possible, flat out stupid. If you have an employment grievance call a lawyer, don't shoot people.

**MrDwhitey**

Well, apparently there are recordings of police chatter live at the scene shouting "burn it down!" "go get the gas" "yeah burn it down!".

Edit: Done some further looking, it was possibly from earlier in the shoot out, not when the actual cabin fire started.

**Monster Rain**

Waco style.

**MrDwhitey**

Monster Rain wrote:
Waco style.

I had to look that up because at first I thought you were calling me a whacko.

Man, nasty business that one.

**Monster Rain**

I can understand a fair amount of ill will toward this dude from the local law enforcement.

Looking forward to some facts to shake out from today's events.

**sebster**

Frazzled wrote:
No. Anyone who thinks that needs a swift kick to the gonads. This guys was calling the victims' families and taunting them.

Sure, but Bonnie & Clyde were murderous imbeciles. It's weird what a few years and some imaginative re-writes will do to history.

**Monster Rain**

sebster wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
No. Anyone who thinks that needs a swift kick to the gonads. This guys was calling the victims' families and taunting them.

Sure, but Bonnie & Clyde were murderous imbeciles. It's weird what a few years and some imaginative re-writes will do to history.

Irrelevant.

Revisionist history hasn't had a chance to take root. I'm with Frazz.