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 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

So, I was right after all it seems, to state that what I have read about, that a marine stands at 10 feet, is valid. It's interesting that what I've said was treated as untrue but that the counter argument is 'it's all untrue and everything is also real'... I'll take that and bid you a good night.

Perhaps - it think it would be helpful and maybe avoid some arguments /confusion if you were a bit more certain on the sources of the info so they can be checked and discussed. Someone will normally have access to the appropriate material if you don't anymore and then it can be quoted in context.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

So, I was right after all it seems, to state that what I have read about, that a marine stands at 10 feet, is valid. It's interesting that what I've said was treated as untrue but that the counter argument is 'it's all untrue and everything is also real'... I'll take that and bid you a good night.

Perhaps - it think it would be helpful and maybe avoid some arguments /confusion if you were a bit more certain on the sources of the info so they can be checked and discussed. Someone will normally have access to the appropriate material if you don't anymore and then it can be quoted in context.

It was about 20 years ago, I'm afraid I can't remember the source, but I am certain of the excerpt I read.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

So, I was right after all it seems, to state that what I have read about, that a marine stands at 10 feet, is valid. It's interesting that what I've said was treated as untrue but that the counter argument is 'it's all untrue and everything is also real'... I'll take that and bid you a good night.

Perhaps - it think it would be helpful and maybe avoid some arguments /confusion if you were a bit more certain on the sources of the info so they can be checked and discussed. Someone will normally have access to the appropriate material if you don't anymore and then it can be quoted in context.

It was about 20 years ago, I'm afraid I can't remember the source, but I am certain of the excerpt I read.

Also we've debated this issue many, many times within the DCM forums. In fact, 10,000 of Alpharius's posts are dedicated to the heretical defense that there exists Space Marines of the nine feet, eleven inch variety. He is considered a fringe outsider on this issue.

To be fair, we're still not sure if the actual height measurements are ten feet, eleven feet, eleven feet one inch, 3.42 meters, or twelve feet and above. Many sources contradict one another and many, many authors and published sources probably have typos and measurement errors when they convert from metric to American.

Suffice to say, I'm of the "Flex-Ten" crowd-that SM heights can and do vary but do not go below ten feet.

I know for a fact GK are 14 feet tall exactly.
None of them are taller or shorter.
They are all that height exactly.

 WarOne wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

So, I was right after all it seems, to state that what I have read about, that a marine stands at 10 feet, is valid. It's interesting that what I've said was treated as untrue but that the counter argument is 'it's all untrue and everything is also real'... I'll take that and bid you a good night.

Perhaps - it think it would be helpful and maybe avoid some arguments /confusion if you were a bit more certain on the sources of the info so they can be checked and discussed. Someone will normally have access to the appropriate material if you don't anymore and then it can be quoted in context.

It was about 20 years ago, I'm afraid I can't remember the source, but I am certain of the excerpt I read.

Also we've debated this issue many, many times within the DCM forums. In fact, 10,000 of Alpharius's posts are dedicated to the heretical defense that there exists Space Marines of the nine feet, eleven inch variety. He is considered a fringe outsider on this issue.

To be fair, we're still not sure if the actual height measurements are ten feet, eleven feet, eleven feet one inch, 3.42 meters, or twelve feet and above. Many sources contradict one another and many, many authors and published sources probably have typos and measurement errors when they convert from metric to American.

Suffice to say, I'm of the "Flex-Ten" crowd-that SM heights can and do vary but do not go below ten feet.

It's clear as day that they are 7 feet. Read the Chaos Space Marine codex. Where does it say they are 10+ feet? Show me a rulebook, codex or White Dwarf article that states they are 10+ feet.

 Crimson wrote:


Ten feet on the other hand is just ludicrous. Best defence against these marines would be to build human sized corridors and they cannot enter.

Too small. Also, we know that the Space Marine models aren't to scale. They keep making the IG models too large.

 Gargantuan wrote:

It's clear as day that they are 7 feet. Read the Chaos Space Marine codex.

We aren't discussing chaos marines!

There are CSMs that do exceed normal height requirements.

Look at the game Space Marines and play to the end boss who becomes very big compared to a typical, ten foot tall Space Marine.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 Gargantuan wrote:

It's clear as day that they are 7 feet. Read the Chaos Space Marine codex.

We aren't discussing chaos marines!

The warp has a dramatic effect time and spacial distortion.

Look at Magnus. He can become as tall as an Eldar Titan at a whim. On Space Marines that can't control the warp, they are left to the fickle whims of the chaos gods. Some might wake up one morning and find themselves shrunken from their 12' stature to only 7'!

I give up. Marines are 50 feet titans that play football with Warhound titans and eat moons and lesser planets for breakfast

 kronk wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 Gargantuan wrote:

It's clear as day that they are 7 feet. Read the Chaos Space Marine codex.

We aren't discussing chaos marines!

The warp has a dramatic effect time and spacial distortion.

Look at Magnus. He can become as tall as an Eldar Titan at a whim. On Space Marines that can't control the warp, they are left to the fickle whims of the chaos gods. Some might wake up one morning and find themselves shrunken from their 12' stature to only 7'!

Well, if you want to get technical, there is a mutation in Realm of Chaos called (I think) Tiny (or diminutive mebbe) which could mean chaos marines at 7" !!! and one called Enormous (or giant mebbe) which could give you 20ft marines!

I think that's the new fluff about Demurig.

 Gargantuan wrote:
I give up. Marines are 50 feet titans that play football with Warhound titans and eat moons and lesser planets for breakfast

That's just crazy talk! There isn't a cereal bowl in the universe big enough to serve a moon in!

 kronk wrote:
That's just crazy talk! There isn't a cereal bowl in the universe big enough to serve a moon in!

Yet...

We all know GW plans on releasing a giant bowl made of finecast. Here's the best part, it'll be a giant air bubble that creates the bowl. But Mankind will lose that technology about 15,000 years in to the future.

 kronk wrote:

Too small. Also, we know that the Space Marine models aren't to scale. They keep making the IG models too large.

Are you trolling me? The models may not be perfectly to scale but they're not that far off. Do you really think that Space Marines are larger Than IG Sentinels, and their regular bolters are size of IG heavy bolters?

 Crimson wrote:

 kronk wrote:

Too small. Also, we know that the Space Marine models aren't to scale. They keep making the IG models too large.

Are you trolling me? The models may not be perfectly to scale but they're not that far off. Do you really think that Space Marines are larger Than IG Sentinels, and their regular bolters are size of IG heavy bolters?

Not far off?

Take a look at any 40k vehicle. They are all far too small by a good degree. The rhino, for example. Take a look at that model and then take a look at it's transport capacity and then ponder where the engine, driver and systems all fit.

You are peeing into the wind if you start arguing that the scales for the various ranges are accurate. If power armor marines took their armor off, they'd be tiny compared to a catachan or even a cadian. Model range is a poor defense for this 'tiny marine' defense.

The scale is not off by 40% or more. The 'heroic' proportions of models make direct comparisons difficult, but 40K vehicles are not actually that small. FW books say that Rhino is 6.6 metres long, and that's about the length you get if you assume it is scaled to the infantry models (so at least FW seems to believe that models are to scale.). Compared to real world tanks, that is actually pretty big. Sure, fitting ten power armoured marines would still be difficult. I however have seen ten old marines modelled in old rhino, so it might be possible to model current ones similarly as well. Or maybe not, I'm not going to try.

In any case, it is one thing to say that scale is slightly muddy and marines should be a bit larger when compared to IG, and quite another to assume that a marine is a size of an IG sentinel. Do you think that marine bolters are size of IG heavy bolters?

Crimson wrote:Do you think that marine bolters are size of IG heavy bolters?

I have some people seen make that argument ... fortunately not here.
In some cases that may have just been a confusion of the "model 998 bolter" with assuming it shoots "caliber .998 ammunition", which would be rather close to the heavy bolter's cal 1.00.

This thread causes the God-Emperor to weep.

Yeah...
The GK are clearly bigger than most people think. It's really under-represented in the fluff.

 Psienesis wrote:
This thread causes the God-Emperor to weep.

Indeed. It will however take weeks until the tears hit the ground because he is so tall.

I'd like to see someone actually get around to proving the existence of ten foot Space Marines.

Lol at the cop-out "Oh, we aren't talking about Chaos Space Marines", phucking pathetic.

Deathwatch RPG? States they are sevenish feet. Jes Goodwin? Sevenish feet. Chaos Marines codex? Sevenish feet.

Hell, even Dan Abnett's numbers were actually 2.5 meters IIRC. Aka, just a little over eight feet.

Seriously, Lion El'Jonson, a fething Primarch, is stated to be over three meters (Ten feet) tall in Descent of Angels, and he's a fairly unremarkable Primarch in stature.

If Marines were ten feet, just imagine how large Magnus the Red must be! Why, he would have to be like, 20 feet tall!

 Crimson wrote:
The models may not be perfectly to scale but they're not that far off.

Fit 16 space marines in power armor inside a Land Raider Crusader. It would have to be Bane Blade sized to do it.

Some catachans are large than space marines.

Do not tell me "not that far off."

 Void__Dragon wrote:

If Marines were ten feet, just imagine how large Magnus the Red must be! Why, he would have to be like, 20 feet tall!

It would be really useful and productive if you didn't resort to sarcasm and rudeness when debating this. If you're frustrated with 'certain posters' here, please just take the moral high ground.

Bringing Chaos Marines to the table wasn't productive, they are going to be all sorts of shapes and sizes.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
I'd like to see someone actually get around to proving the existence of ten foot Space Marines.

Lol at the cop-out "Oh, we aren't talking about Chaos Space Marines", phucking pathetic.

Deathwatch RPG? States they are sevenish feet. Jes Goodwin? Sevenish feet. Chaos Marines codex? Sevenish feet.

Hell, even Dan Abnett's numbers were actually 2.5 meters IIRC. Aka, just a little over eight feet.

Seriously, Lion El'Jonson, a fething Primarch, is stated to be over three meters (Ten feet) tall in Descent of Angels, and he's a fairly unremarkable Primarch in stature.

If Marines were ten feet, just imagine how large Magnus the Red must be! Why, he would have to be like, 20 feet tall!

Seems larger than that actually, but we all know he can change his size via the warpz

 Void__Dragon wrote:


If Marines were ten feet, just imagine how large Magnus the Red must be! Why, he would have to be like, 20 feet tall!

Not a fair comparison. Per Thousand Sons, Prospero Burns, and Battle of the Fang, Magnus can grow and shrink to colossal sizes.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:
I'd like to see someone actually get around to proving the existence of ten foot Space Marines.

Lol at the cop-out "Oh, we aren't talking about Chaos Space Marines", phucking pathetic.

Deathwatch RPG? States they are sevenish feet. Jes Goodwin? Sevenish feet. Chaos Marines codex? Sevenish feet.

Hell, even Dan Abnett's numbers were actually 2.5 meters IIRC. Aka, just a little over eight feet.

Seriously, Lion El'Jonson, a fething Primarch, is stated to be over three meters (Ten feet) tall in Descent of Angels, and he's a fairly unremarkable Primarch in stature.

If Marines were ten feet, just imagine how large Magnus the Red must be! Why, he would have to be like, 20 feet tall!

Seems larger than that actually, but we all know he can change his size via the warpz

Also worth noting from that image that the guy at the front (Ahriman?) is at least 4 feet higher than his peers.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:


Also worth noting from that image that the guy at the front (Ahriman?) is at least 4 feet higher than his peers.

That guy is standing on something, his proportions do not suggest that he is any larger than his peers. Unless he has freakishly long legs.

Also. He is a bit more than a head height above the others. Do you think space marines have over three feet tall heads? This is perfect example of spouting numbers randomly, without stopping to think what they actually mean.

 Crimson wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:


Also worth noting from that image that the guy at the front (Ahriman?) is at least 4 feet higher than his peers.

That guy is standing on something, his proportions do not suggest that he is any larger than his peers. Unless he has freakishly long legs.

He's a space marine.
Of course he has freakishly long legs.
He is a freak!

 Crimson wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:


Also worth noting from that image that the guy at the front (Ahriman?) is at least 4 feet higher than his peers.

That guy is standing on something, his proportions do not suggest that he is any larger than his peers. Unless he has freakishly long legs.

Also. He is a bit more than a head height above the others. Do you think space marines have over three feet tall heads? This is perfect example of spouting numbers randomly, without stopping to think what they actually mean.

Why wouldn't he have a 3 foot tall head... mine is roughly 8 to 10 inches from chin to top... I'm 5 foot 9...

So the guy just keeps a box that he moves around in the front ranks of a giant group of space marines? Or does he only put the box down when it is picture time?

And you call us random?