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 master of ordinance wrote:
Want. Curses now i have to move to america. Ah well anything for a sweeet feth peice like that

Good work mate

No work on my part yet, we'll see how my version looks when I'm done with it.

Don't you know that guns are bad?

I might have to take one of then away from you if the price is right, for your own protection of course.

Of course

So brief update, my academic adviser loves the project BUT unfortunately I can't do it because the school doesn't have the appropriate licensing for manufacture of this style of firearm. Minor set back, not a big deal and I am still going to work on this beast, it's just going to take more time.

Since when do you need a FFL for manufacture of non-reciever/frame parts? (As an aside, keep in mind that if you replace the GL with a shotgun, you -may- be looking at registration as a SBS, not an AOW.).....Although you could always go old school Cap and Ball blackpowder instead of cartridge loading and sidestep the NFA entirely (See: LeMat revolver.) Anyway:

Barrel for the revolver looks like its an insert into a shroud that's part of the frame, rather than an actual portion of the frame..
Cylinder isn't part of the frame.
Fire control parts, latches, safeties, grips, sights aren't part of the frame.

There's a LOT of work for the project that can be done at a school machine shop that isn't technically manufacture of a firearm (Which...unless the school is taking posession of it, or the instructor is running the machines, would still be BY you and FOR you. Your personal tooling, theirs, or a third party shop you rent machine time on shouldn't matter in terms of FFL being a requirement....though I wouldn't do it on the school grounds just for the bad PR possibly generated for them, to say nothing of possible violation of having a firearm on campus laws.)

As always though, if in doubt: Consult actual lawyers. Not the internet.

 SOFDC wrote:
Since when do you need a FFL for manufacture of non-reciever/frame parts? (As an aside, keep in mind that if you replace the GL with a shotgun, you -may- be looking at registration as a SBS, not an AOW.).....Although you could always go old school Cap and Ball blackpowder instead of cartridge loading and sidestep the NFA entirely (See: LeMat revolver.) Anyway:

Barrel for the revolver looks like its an insert into a shroud that's part of the frame, rather than an actual portion of the frame..
Cylinder isn't part of the frame.
Fire control parts, latches, safeties, grips, sights aren't part of the frame.

There's a LOT of work for the project that can be done at a school machine shop that isn't technically manufacture of a firearm (Which...unless the school is taking posession of it, or the instructor is running the machines, would still be BY you and FOR you. Your personal tooling, theirs, or a third party shop you rent machine time on shouldn't matter in terms of FFL being a requirement....though I wouldn't do it on the school grounds just for the bad PR possibly generated for them, to say nothing of possible violation of having a firearm on campus laws.)

As always though, if in doubt: Consult actual lawyers. Not the internet.

I'd be manufacturing from the receiver/frame up, not customizing an existing firearm.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
So brief update, my academic adviser loves the project BUT unfortunately I can't do it because the school doesn't have the appropriate licensing for manufacture of this style of firearm. Minor set back, not a big deal and I am still going to work on this beast, it's just going to take more time.

Thats a shame, but I'm still willing to help you out like we discussed

chaos0xomega wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
So brief update, my academic adviser loves the project BUT unfortunately I can't do it because the school doesn't have the appropriate licensing for manufacture of this style of firearm. Minor set back, not a big deal and I am still going to work on this beast, it's just going to take more time.

Thats a shame, but I'm still willing to help you out like we discussed

I'll be in touch once I know more about the actual measurements and dimensions I need. Going to be bothering an independent gunsmith I know, and try to dig up information on revolver design, but I haven't forgotten

This project can only be pushed back, not stopped

Good, cause if there is one thing I love its obscenely powerful firearms

chaos0xomega wrote:
Good, cause if there is one thing I love its obscenely powerful firearms

Let's be honest! Who doesn't?

Feinstein. Biden. Bloomberg. Obama. Clinton. Need I go on?

chaos0xomega wrote:
Feinstein. Biden. Bloomberg. Obama. Clinton. Need I go on?

We're talking about human beings, not lizard people from mercury

I'd be manufacturing from the receiver/frame up, not customizing an existing firearm.

And? It's perfectly legal to do this without a FFL, so long as it is not being produced for someone else and you're allowed to possess one in the first place. And again, the only part legally a "Firearm" is the actual receiver (or in this case, frame.) all other components that aren't NFA reactive might as well be scrap metal in the eyes of the law. (Though I am assuming that you don't have more restrictive state laws in effect...but I can't imagine where you'd be to make that true.)

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/general.html#gca-manufacturing Third and fourth questions from the bottom.

Nor do you need to have an FFL to send in a form 1 for building an NFA item.

 SOFDC wrote:

I'd be manufacturing from the receiver/frame up, not customizing an existing firearm.

And? It's perfectly legal to do this without a FFL, so long as it is not being produced for someone else and you're allowed to possess one in the first place. And again, the only part legally a "Firearm" is the actual receiver (or in this case, frame.) all other components that aren't NFA reactive might as well be scrap metal in the eyes of the law. (Though I am assuming that you don't have more restrictive state laws in effect...but I can't imagine where you'd be to make that true.)

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/general.html#gca-manufacturing Third and fourth questions from the bottom.

Nor do you need to have an FFL to send in a form 1 for building an NFA item.

Yes I'm aware on the relevant laws, it's my job. Nor am I talking about getting an FFL, though I am applying for mine in the near future. I do however do need a Class II Manufacturing permit to make NFA weapons. http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-firearms.html#nfa-qualifications which I would be doing here. I'd be manufacturing the weapon from a scrap of steel and a evil gleam in my eye. You also seem to have missed the part where people are actually interested in buying these beasts.

Further these weapons are being made in a professional educational setting, so I need to be kosher per my institution's rules, and be approved by my academic adviser. The project wasn't approved because my school does not have the relevant manufacturing permits.

Which means this has basically been put onhold till you get your own place to make stuff, if I follow you correctly.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Which means this has basically been put onhold till you get your own place to make stuff, if I follow you correctly.

Or get hired at a company where the boss will let me do some work under the company license on my own time, yep. I can do all the schematics and design work though and will be working with Chaos on that shortly.

Thats Me!

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Which means this has basically been put onhold till you get your own place to make stuff, if I follow you correctly.

Or get hired at a company where the boss will let me do some work under the company license on my own time, yep. I can do all the schematics and design work though and will be working with Chaos on that shortly.

Can other Dakkanaut get some love'n too?

 whembly wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Which means this has basically been put onhold till you get your own place to make stuff, if I follow you correctly.

Or get hired at a company where the boss will let me do some work under the company license on my own time, yep. I can do all the schematics and design work though and will be working with Chaos on that shortly.

Can other Dakkanaut get some love'n too?

Are you an engineer with 3D modeling/Auto CAD skills? Or just have the last one? Cause I'm happy to add to the team!

I love me some powerful handguns. Bonus points for being a revolver.

If they're fairly priced I would love to get in on this. Also I hope you stick with the 12 gauge underbarrel.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Which means this has basically been put onhold till you get your own place to make stuff, if I follow you correctly.

Or get hired at a company where the boss will let me do some work under the company license on my own time, yep. I can do all the schematics and design work though and will be working with Chaos on that shortly.

Can other Dakkanaut get some love'n too?

Are you an engineer with 3D modeling/Auto CAD skills? Or just have the last one? Cause I'm happy to add to the team!

No... I'm a IT professional in a "jack of all trades" background.

I could learn that gak quickly tho... it's just those software are spendy.

I think the underslung shotgun will run into some legal barriers. Very cool project idea however!

Manchu wrote:I think the underslung shotgun will run into some legal barriers. Very cool project idea however!

He's right. best make it a combi-flamer instead. I'm not aware of any legislation preventing the creation of flamethrowers.

 azazel the cat wrote:

Manchu wrote:I think the underslung shotgun will run into some legal barriers. Very cool project idea however!

He's right. best make it a combi-flamer instead. I'm not aware of any legislation preventing the creation of flamethrowers.

Geneva Convention?

 whembly wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:

Manchu wrote:I think the underslung shotgun will run into some legal barriers. Very cool project idea however!

He's right. best make it a combi-flamer instead. I'm not aware of any legislation preventing the creation of flamethrowers.

Geneva Convention?

I don't think it applies to civilians. And screw the Geneva convention, rules of warfare only ever limit the good guys.

whembly wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:

Manchu wrote:I think the underslung shotgun will run into some legal barriers. Very cool project idea however!

He's right. best make it a combi-flamer instead. I'm not aware of any legislation preventing the creation of flamethrowers.

Geneva Convention?

That would be the use of flamethrowers. In war. However, I don't believe that flamethrowers are even prohibited by the Geneva Convention to begin with.

And afterall, many companies manufacture ready to use fuel cannisters every day(any spray can with flammable propellent)

Just add an ignition source.


My inner pyro has always dreamed of making a short ranged flamethrower that uses spraycans as its ammo.

 azazel the cat wrote:

whembly wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:

Manchu wrote:I think the underslung shotgun will run into some legal barriers. Very cool project idea however!

He's right. best make it a combi-flamer instead. I'm not aware of any legislation preventing the creation of flamethrowers.

Geneva Convention?

That would be the use of flamethrowers. In war. However, I don't believe that flamethrowers are even prohibited by the Geneva Convention to begin with.

Ah... gotcha...

Thanks.

I've come to realize that for a lot of people, shooting guns is like eating chilies and peppers; The hotter the burn, the bigger the kick, and the better they like it. This is behaviour I personally don't understand. I like my chilies and calibres big enough to do their jobs, and mild enough to still be enjoyable. I don't eat ghost peppers, and I don't shoot hand gun calibres above .45 ACP.

On the subject of this particular project my only input is to avoid smooth polished grips, There are plenty of high-quality, beautiful, wood grips out there with patterns designed for positive grip.

Alternatively some nice Hogue grips for real, er grip.