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 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Your argument just dissintergrated in the first 4 words. It shows you are biased and your judgement is impeeded...

But you cannot say that necrons arn't overpowered. Mindshackle scarabs is nothing short of cheating in my store and necron air is despisesed by all save the imperial air chalalry. In short, necrons smell.

Although things arn't looking good for my 2++ re-rollable halie-star at the moment...

Oh please! This whole thread is based on bias and personal opinion. When you have options to choose from like ENTIRE ARMIES in general, why isn't Players who complain anout my army an option? lol

*written in a non-confrontational/joking around tone

Phanixis wrote:
Fateweaver still irks me to no end. Rerollable 3++, flying, a 12" bubble of rerollable saves, and the ability to use three psychic powers per turn on three separate targets without having to even test for them. Was the author who came up with these rules high when creating the Fateweaver entry?

His bubble is only 6 inches. Someone may be trying to screw the rules with you

Evileyes wrote:

Phanixis wrote:
Fateweaver still irks me to no end. Rerollable 3++, flying, a 12" bubble of rerollable saves, and the ability to use three psychic powers per turn on three separate targets without having to even test for them. Was the author who came up with these rules high when creating the Fateweaver entry?

His bubble is only 6 inches. Someone may be trying to screw the rules with you

His bubble is a 6" radius, thus a full 12" diameter bubble in total.

Still, it's pretty sad to complain about the only thing that made Daemons even semi-viable in an edition that all but neutered them into the ground and then some once Derp Quake showed up...

Not everyone has warp quake you know?

I voted helldrake, but I also have no love for ravenwing right now.

something to be said for playing an opponent who makes you feel outnumbered and outgunned when you play orks....

I have to be honest.

I dont hate Heldrakes in general.
I just feel the faq that said their weapon is a turret, so 360 LOS, was very unessesary and takes away the only real weakness i see in flyers, witch is shooting forward so placement of model is important.
By making it a turret you just effectivly take away the only weakness it had.

Didnt really think about it that much before that but felt it a very unessesary change.

/Ogard

 Ogard wrote:
I have to be honest.

I dont hate Heldrakes in general.
I just feel the faq that said their weapon is a turret, so 360 LOS, was very unessesary and takes away the only real weakness i see in flyers, witch is shooting forward so placement of model is important.
By making it a turret you just effectivly take away the only weakness it had.

Didnt really think about it that much before that but felt it a very unessesary change.

/Ogard

+1

Another day, a few more changes. Let me update the rankings.

As of the of Feb. 22, the "informal" Top 10 Most Hated looks like this:


1. Re-rollable 2+ saves

2. Mindshackle Scarabs

3. Jaws of the World Wolf

4. The Necron Air Force

5. Heldrakes

6. Flamers (Chaos Daemons, tied)

6. Grey Knights (in general, tied)

8. Vendettas -- NEW!!!

9. Doom of Ma'lantai

10. Grey Knight Grenades


Dropped Out - Reanimation Protocols

For the record, MSS are WAY worse the 2++ re-rollable. MSS are a cheap upgrade that makes ANY good character, and ANY model with a fancy weapon not just unusable but a liability to you!

2++re-rollable is hard to get, on only one model or avoidable. If its on haliequins get a flamer to the side without a 2+. If its on a model, shoot around it. I just see MSS as a lot worse.

Too many options. Concequentaly we know naff all about what people actually want.

My biggest beef isn't up there and it is "Eternal Warrior." Nothing more frustrating then slamming lysander or abbaddon with the most powerful weaponry in the galaxy and having them just take a wound.

Jaws of the World Wolf, and Runes of warding for me, as they hurt my Nids so much.

MSS are annoying, but you'll rarely see it on more than 1-2 models, and as a Necron player I know they are brutal, but it's pretty important. I'd agree it needs a points cost increase, but I do think the whining about it is a little overblown.

I also think that as more armies get updated, and Skyfire/Air becomes more common, Airforces won't be as troublesome as they used to be. It's just going to be bloody until then.

Re-rollable 2+ saves are really obnoxious to me as well.

I have a buddy who plays eldrad. Every single time I even want to try to use my librarian..... perils of the freaking warp. Then he turns around, and annihilates like 10 of my guys with some bs power. Then he knocks my marines in the dirt with his staff, and owns up the field! 4 turns in its just eldrad and some avengers.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
For the record, MSS are WAY worse the 2++ re-rollable. MSS are a cheap upgrade that makes ANY good character, and ANY model with a fancy weapon not just unusable but a liability to you!

2++re-rollable is hard to get, on only one model or avoidable. If its on haliequins get a flamer to the side without a 2+. If its on a model, shoot around it. I just see MSS as a lot worse.

I'd have to disagree here.

MSS is circumstantial depending on what units or armies you get into combat with. Also, MSS is not for sure. First off, you have to fail a LD test (about 50% chance for a LD10 character). Secondly, savvy generals can mitigate it somewhat by throwing multiple models into base with the MSS model. MSS would then have to randomize which model in base that it affects (unless you are in a challenge). In short, MSS is not a sure thing.

Re-rollable 2+'s is almost always a sure thing (unless eldar is going up against Space Wolves). It's actually really hard to bypass because most armies don't really have the mobility to shoot a deldar deathstar at whatever angle that is their weakness, especially if they have multiple IC's with 2+ saves (Vect/Baron and an eldar phoenix lord...and Eldrad). Moreover, certain units like the seer council will almost always get a 2+ cover due to Jink, with re-rollable 3+ armour and 4++ invuln's as backup. That unit is just nuts to shoot down! Don't even try!

 aapch45 wrote:
I have a buddy who plays eldrad. Every single time I even want to try to use my librarian..... perils of the freaking warp. Then he turns around, and annihilates like 10 of my guys with some bs power. Then he knocks my marines in the dirt with his staff, and owns up the field! 4 turns in its just eldrad and some avengers.

Yeah, I hate Eldrad with a passion. Most of the armies I play currently - Space Wolves, Grey Knights and Tyranids - just get screwed royally by him and his Runes of Warding.

And the bad thing is...I can never seem to kill Eldrad!