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He guys, I am thinking about getting sm as they are cheap, and it has been a long time since i have played 40k and sm seemed to be the best way to get back into it. However my desire isn't to be an annoying manestream follower who only got sm because they were the first army they saw, and I would love to play a chapter, however i wouldn't mind playing vanilla. I don't really have any specs, just that the army is cheap and fun to play. Some descriptions of the chapters would be nice as I don't know much about sm at the moment. Thanks in advance, PsykerInTheWarp

Depend's on preference, ill give you a brief overview.

Space marines - Most customisable, with their HQ's drastically changing their playstyle (Vulkan makes them flamer and melta heavy, khan makes them a biker army, and so on)

Blood angels - Assault marines galore, a fast marine army.

Dark angels - Scoring Terminators, or Scoring bikes. Take your pick

Grey knight's - Psyker heavy, and can make very very elite (Low model, high strength per model) armies.

Black templar's - A little old, but a kind of hordey assault army.

Space wolves - A little bit of everything, and a really cool style, has a few unit's that really shine, such as longfangs and thunderwolves

Chaos space marines - Cool models, and the ability to branch out from normal marines with monstrous creatures, and other crazy stuff. Not -better-, but different, customisable, and unique by comparison.

BUT, my main advice is, dark angels just came out of the new starter set. As such, their models are on ebay extremely cheap, and you could have a full, big, and usable army out of those units (Maybe with the addition of a HQ) for less than £100, so I'd definately go with them if you don't have a big preference.

to be honest I have no intrest in DA. I just don't like the way they look. However space wolves sound fun. I think I would go more on the drop dop side of things as it seems a quirky way to play. What should I get started with? The battleforce seems to be a good start for drop pod armies. Drop pods also seem to be a good way of utilising main troops (such as long fangs), and wolves starting on the table seem to be a great way of getting into the fight. Maybey termies in a raider. Let's face it, it brings alot of personal pleasure having one of those. It also provides me with some anti-tank, which I will need seeing as my best friend plays mechanized csm.

If you go SW then a battleforce box is great, You can have two squads of GH and use one of them to make your HQ since SW are so customizable you don't really need to go out and buy an HQ.

Check out some of the lesser known SM chapters or create your own. Just have fun with it.

what is recommended as a good thing to get after that? I was thinking some thunderwolf cavalry, another drop pod and some termies for deep strike. What about anti-tank. I will probably need it seeing as most of my army is based around assault and has no anti-heavy capabilities.

Go with the Blue!

Ultramarines! (vanilla marines)

does anyone know where i can find a painting tutorial for tabletop standard, regular space wolves? A link would help


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hmmm, vanilla are more tempting now. Just so much custom stuff. My plan now is to convert my DA from DV into vanilla, repaint my bro's squad of marines, assault marines, and dreadnaut, and "borrow" his codex, then buy the battleforce and some tanks and stuff sound good?

Here's a list of Space Marine chapters. If you want to avoid being mainstream, I would avoid the Angels (both Blood and Dark) as well as the Space Wolves right now. Vanilla marines and Black Templars are getting the least amount of play, so you might have fun there. In any event, welcome (back)! Good luck!

 PsykerInTheWarp wrote:
what is recommended as a good thing to get after that? I was thinking some thunderwolf cavalry, another drop pod and some termies for deep strike. What about anti-tank. I will probably need it seeing as most of my army is based around assault and has no anti-heavy capabilities.

If you wanna stick with Wolves (odds are you`ll be called out as a furry, albeit a kickass, mead drinking, chainswords swingin` furry) then greyhunters are your bread and butter and there`s no such thing as too much of em. `pods are always nice. General concensus is that TWC and speeders are the best fast attack, but I got me some skyclaws (assault marines) for the lulz. Space Wolves get a very effective heavy support choice with the long fangs, otherwise preds do the all-round antitank to some extent. Vindicators can be very nasty too.

But if you`re still undecided , try digging in the fluff for some interesting chapters. BA and SW get a whole lotta love as it is. Same with DA. Nonetheless, there are plenty interesting chapters out there. If you end up feeling really grimdark and masochistic about it, there`s always the Black Templars .

Sounds like you've pretty much made up you mind. However if you change it and decide to go with vanilla then I would highly recommend the Badab war books. There are a ton of characters that open up a lot of fun list types for vanilla marines.

Grey Hunters and more Grey Hunters. You can make a box of Space Wolves into Rune Priests, Wolf Priests, Wolf Lords, Lone Wolves, Wolf Guard and any other power armour SW outside of Sky Claws.

This is a really good site for SW:
http://space-wolves-grey.blogspot.co.nz/

But like everyone said be prepared to hear about it and just so you know with the new flyers and flakk missile updates out there. Space Wolves got none of that, so be prepared to get allies for anti air or an Aegis line with a quad cannon or Icarus.

I love my Wolves and couldn't imagine getting any other flavour of marines but make sure you do a lot of research. Fluff is good because if you don't enjoy their story you might not enjoy playing them. A mate of mine plays Raven Guard because he loves the idea of a broken company that springs out of nowhere to aid the IG in times of need only to disappear again.

Just do a lot of research and check some paint schemes to see what catches your eye.

thank's guys for all your help, you've been, well, helpful. And I will be getting vanilla because theie diversity and their underplaydness. Also, new codex every year!!!!!!! However, I will get sw some day. Just 1 more question, what should I get for sm? I am going to convert my DA from DV into vanilla, and I already have a normal squad, some assault marines, and a dread, but what else should I get? Obviously the battleforce and codex are esdential.


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is there an sm chapter vased around lot's of heavy infantry and tanks? I f so I would love to play it

 PsykerInTheWarp wrote:
thank's guys for all your help, you've been, well, helpful. And I will be getting vanilla because theie diversity and their underplaydness. Also, new codex every year!!!!!!! However, I will get sw some day. Just 1 more question, what should I get for sm? I am going to convert my DA from DV into vanilla, and I already have a normal squad, some assault marines, and a dread, but what else should I get? Obviously the battleforce and codex are esdential.


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is there an sm chapter vased around lot's of heavy infantry and tanks? I f so I would love to play it

Imperial Fists and Iron Hands come to mind

intresting. What are they like to paint?

Imperial fist: Yellow (such a pain without airbrush)
Iron Hand: black if i remember

you could always make your own chapter that is close between vanilla and sw so you can switch around codexes at your leisure

I will look for some IF and IH then. Thanks everyone for your help! I will get back to you if there are any q's, but fornow my path is set on sm. Thanks again.

Go Imperial Fists they are so beautiful when painted right.

ughh, back to square 1. My friend suggested I pick up that nid codex again, seeing as I have some expirience with them, and now I would love to play nids again. I adore the painting of them as there are so many options, and I had some great fun playing against orks and csm. Should I just carry on? Seeing as they will be easy to pick up again and I already have about 1200 points

If you just want to have fun and enjoy it and Nids will do that then go for them.

If you want something competitive SM tend to be the popular flavour.

The most important thing is that you do whatever one you'll enjoy the most otherwise you'll get to a point where putting them together feels like a chore, painting feels like a chore and you just don't have any fun at battles.

Remember that as intense as Warhammer can be and all the money and time you invest, it's still a game and a hobby to have fun and be enjoyed. Don't make it into a job for yourself or you'll waste all your time and money.

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Go Imperial Fists they are so beautiful when painted right.

I second this. And there are avenues that lead to easy, fantastic results like Daemonic Yellow from Army Painter.

Codexes are interechangeable , you could have Characadons and use the blood angel codex or the regular book and the forgeworld characters.

So ultimately I'd pick the one you like the colour/theme/fluff of. IE I like red and knights and rapid inserion so I'm doing 4th company blood angels (the knights of baal)

If you like heavy support Star Phantoms is good for example. Some of the Forgeworld chapters aren't as common (mantis warriors for example)

Lexicanum has a list of marine chapters both loyalist and renegade.

I am building a deathwatch army just to switch between codexes. You can check them and see.

This is exactly the situation I was in, haven't played in ages, looking to get back into it and sm are the ones I liked before. Got the battleforce and a devastator squad to start, as you you can use the combat squad from the battleforce to make a second devastator squad. Bought the dark vengeance librarian off trademe (nz's version of ebay) for $10 and now I have about a 1000pt army for $230 (nz). Can't beat that for value i reckon, wanted to play guard but their battleforce is a total ripoff. I just went vanilla cos a) each chapter seems to have one thing that bugs me and b) i wanted to give them a desert camo scheme (marines in iraq!)

Changed my mind on vanilla. Gunna go raptors cos a) they have camo and b) they use guard units which i wanted to do later on (allied force) Also they are second founding from ravenguard which is what i used to play as

All space marine chapters seem pretty cool, why not make up your own so that you can use any of the codexes with it

meh, i like feeling like mine are part of a wider mythos. and it's like sports teams i guess, you all go for your fave primarch lol