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Mad4Minis: Did you check out Paulson's project in another thread? This could scratch your itch, maybe...

Love the setting for Rifts, and most other Palladium games...the rules are a nightmare though. I don't hold out hope for the rules decent.

My involvement in this will also likely depend on the involvement of palladium. If they're the ones running the kickstarter and the money goes to them directly, I have ZERO faith in them meeting their obligations in a timely fashion similar to how they still haven't met their homemade crowdfunding ones. If it looks like Soda Pop is in charge of this (or possibly the new Ninja company), then some previews of the rules and actual mini pics can sway me into paying.

That is a very good point.

Palladium has done their own crowdfunding of projects through their own website, and failed to deliver in anything remotely like a timely fashion.

This project needs to be as firewalled from Palladium as humanly possible, but given how much of a massive control freak Kevin Sembeida is, I doubt that will happen.

 agustin wrote:
That is a very good point.

Palladium has done their own crowdfunding of projects through their own website, and failed to deliver in anything remotely like a timely fashion.

This project needs to be as firewalled from Palladium as humanly possible, but given how much of a massive control freak Kevin Sembeida is, I doubt that will happen.

Yeah, it's somewhat sad that I can firmly say that I'd trust a completely new frankenstein company created just to come out with this game over one that got me into RPGs in the first place and has 30 years of experience... but it's true. I don't trust Palladium to do anything right on their own at this point (unless "right" means to just keep doing the same thing they did in 1990 but with less mullet haircuts).

SO long as we're irrationally nerd raging I am boycotting this project because of the involvement of Harmony Gold and Robotech. For decades they've butchered the translation of the original works, changed names and plot points and branded what is frankly a landmark of Japanese animation as their own work.

Wake me up when someone makes Macross Tactics.

Or alternately when I can pick up some of these...

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Or alternately when I can pick up some of these...

www.hlj.com has those Mac II Monsters available for $17, way cheaper than you're likely to get from any miniatures company. For being 25 yeras old it's a great kit, I picked up 3.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
SO long as we're irrationally nerd raging I am boycotting this project because of the involvement of Harmony Gold and Robotech.

Since when is not trusting a company that hasn't lived up to the previous two crowdfunding obligations but is planning yet another one "irrationally nerd raging"?

If the miniatures can be used for Battletech I'll pick them up when they are in stores. Palladium makes good rules like GW cuts prices. And Harmony Gold is the worst company on the planet. But I always need me more Warhammers for Battletech.

 paulson games wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Or alternately when I can pick up some of these...

www.hlj.com has those Mac II Monsters available for $17, way cheaper than you're likely to get from any miniatures company. For being 25 yeras old it's a great kit, I picked up 3.

Do they now... I was about to start hitting the model shops in Japan for one.

How big are they?

 warboss wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
SO long as we're irrationally nerd raging I am boycotting this project because of the involvement of Harmony Gold and Robotech.

Since when is not trusting a company that hasn't lived up to the previous two crowdfunding obligations but is planning yet another one "irrationally nerd raging"?

KK, I normally find you hilarious, and very informative.

BUT Warboss has a fair point here...

Your response?

Padre^.

 warboss wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
SO long as we're irrationally nerd raging I am boycotting this project because of the involvement of Harmony Gold and Robotech.

Since when is not trusting a company that hasn't lived up to the previous two crowdfunding obligations but is planning yet another one "irrationally nerd raging"?

Nah that's all totally rational, same with the complete lack of faith in Palladium's ability to write rules (that being said I had 10x more fun playing Rifts than I ever did playing Champions or Shadowrun, the whole @#$% balance let's have fun thing somehow just works ).

But the whole deal with Paulson Games... just not feeling it. Nothing wrong with doing work on spec, but it has to be on the understanding you might not get the license or might lose it at any time. It happens. That's life.

And it seems Paulson is doing the right thing, taking their work and making their own darn game. Good luck to them!

But Harmony Gold... GRRR still Nerd Raging about how we never got the cool transforming Valkyries only he Chibi SD ones and @#$%ing Jetfire. Nothing wrong with Jetfire mind you, but he ain't no Skull One.

Finally scored a Skull One at a toy store in Nara a few years back. Mmm, Skull One. Sorry what were we talking about...

Finally, in conclusion, I have a Destroid Monster that turns into a space bomber and a robot, which I got at a market in China so really all is well in the world.

Palladium has done their own crowdfunding of projects through their own website, and failed to deliver in anything remotely like a timely fashion.

This project needs to be as firewalled from Palladium as humanly possible, but given how much of a massive control freak Kevin Sembeida is, I doubt that will happen.

Agreed. And the line about paying debts makes me doubt that it is as shielded as we hope. As much as I love Macross, I want to know first how the money from the KS is flowing before I even think about supporting it.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
SO long as we're irrationally nerd raging I am boycotting this project because of the involvement of Harmony Gold and Robotech. For decades they've butchered the translation of the original works, changed names and plot points and branded what is frankly a landmark of Japanese animation as their own work.

Wake me up when someone makes Macross Tactics.

Or alternately when I can pick up some of these...

Yep i rather have the original, Macross, Southern cross and Mospeda

Wait if you are in Japan it should be easy to pick one of those, i could check mandarake or some shops in namba when i go to Osaka

Scale shot of the 1/200 monster, it's on a 120mm privateer base. Not bad for $17 where the crisis suit costs $25.

 paulson games wrote:
Scale shot of the 1/200 monster, it's on a 120mm privateer base. Not bad for $17 where the crisis suit costs $25.

Wow, thanks that a mini titan right there.

 paulson games wrote:
Scale shot of the 1/200 monster, it's on a 120mm privateer base. Not bad for $17 where the crisis suit costs $25.

Do you happen to know if the other destroid spartan and defender kits in 1/72 are eqally large? If so I may pick a couple up, but I've never seen a scale shot.

 paulson games wrote:
Scale shot of the 1/200 monster, it's on a 120mm privateer base. Not bad for $17 where the crisis suit costs $25.

Man I could kick myself...

I had the old metal ( die cast) version of that somewhere, but can't find it. I do have a couple of the old jet fires, and a blue alpha fighter, but passed on the beta fighter because it looked silly. My cousin got my cyclone and Scott Bernard, when I was younger, still peeved about that.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 paulson games wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Or alternately when I can pick up some of these...

www.hlj.com has those Mac II Monsters available for $17, way cheaper than you're likely to get from any miniatures company. For being 25 yeras old it's a great kit, I picked up 3.

Do they now... I was about to start hitting the model shops in Japan for one.

How big are they?

The models come in all different sizes. to me, the best size was the 1/144th, or the resin/ vynyl stuff at around 1/6 scale.

I've even seen one at around 3-4 ft tall. In Korea, when I was there, you coild pick up the 1/144th stuff for a few rough bucks.( That was the rough cut from won). In Japan, they have them at a similer or rough price of around 10 bucks or so. Those 3-4 ft tall ones are around a couple hundred or so up to a thousand bucks. Between them all, though-- you can find pretty much any size/ shape and it doesn't take much.

I've even seen a 5 ft tall one. He's pretty special, though. Thats one for the really dedicated.

For you though Kid, heres the one you really want.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2137905/Pictured-The-giant-Gundam-robot-standing-guard-Tokyo-theme-park-just-dont-Transformer.html

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 paulson games wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Or alternately when I can pick up some of these...

www.hlj.com has those Mac II Monsters available for $17, way cheaper than you're likely to get from any miniatures company. For being 25 yeras old it's a great kit, I picked up 3.

Do they now... I was about to start hitting the model shops in Japan for one.

How big are they?

The Bandai kits are pretty close to scale - take the stated height...divide by 200 in that case (or other scale multiplier for other kits). I snag up ones in my scale fairly often. They also do various models in 1/144, 1/100, 1/72, 1/60 and 1/48. If HLJ doesn't have them, take a look at 1999.co.jp

One thing that people need to remember when getting all bent out of shape is that in Japan - none of these types of items can be copyrighted. Games and toys are not protectable over there - so it ends up becoming a problem when they start licensing things for sale/development over here...they just don't have a specific point of reference within their own business practices. You can find a lot of examples of this coming up in the past 30 some odd years dealing with all sorts of product lines which come out of Japan (and Harmony Gold seems to be involved in about half of them).

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Finally, in conclusion, I have a Destroid Monster that turns into a space bomber and a robot, which I got at a market in China so really all is well in the world.

Amazing........More pics please?

Palladium enforced their legal rights. Paulson games should have realized the debacle with these licensing before they started doing the sculpts or worked with Palladium.

This is like someone complaining they started making copies of warhound titans and GW was like um no we have the rights to these, so they refuse to buy GW Products. There are plenty of reasons to embargo GW, but that would not be one.

Likewise, Palladium did not condone Paulson to make the sculpts.

As much as SodaPop makes some neat/cutsie kind of miniatures, not too excited about them doing Robotech.

 IdentifyZero wrote:
Palladium enforced their legal rights. Paulson games should have realized the debacle with these licensing before they started doing the sculpts or worked with Palladium.

This is like someone complaining they started making copies of warhound titans and GW was like um no we have the rights to these, so they refuse to buy GW Products. There are plenty of reasons to embargo GW, but that would not be one.

Likewise, Palladium did not condone Paulson to make the sculpts.

As much as SodaPop makes some neat/cutsie kind of miniatures, not too excited about them doing Robotech.

You REALLY don't understand the licensee/owner situation with regards to Robotech. You also don't have to agree with us. It's cool. Lastly, we were told to drop it and most of us had. Feel free to PM me if you'd like to discuss it further.

~Eric

. Lastly, we were told to drop it

Indeed.

Thanks.

1/60 Destroid, next to DFG Leviathan, if you want it next to 28mm or 15mm figures let me know.



Edited to make the picture work.

Also the 1/72 ones are about 6" tall. A bit too small for 28mm IMO.

I am really looking forward to this kickstarter. It seems like it would do a heck of a lot better than the knockoff system.

Justyn wrote:
1/60 Destroid, next to DFG Leviathan, if you want it next to 28mm or 15mm figures let me know.

Spoiler:

Edited to make the picture work.

Also the 1/72 ones are about 6" tall. A bit too small for 28mm IMO.

Thanks so much! I've had a tough time finding pictures and it's complicated by the fact that macross mechs aren't scaled in relation to each other the way the battletech equivalents are.

I might still pick up a 1/72 model or two as I'm willing to fudge it a bit, but I really appreciate the pic and it makes the 1/60 mechs much more appealing despite the price difference.


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 IdentifyZero wrote:
I am really looking forward to this kickstarter. It seems like it would do a heck of a lot better than the knockoff system.

Which would that be? I'm always interested in other mech games.

i guess he may refering to

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/509439.page

(tho to my mind it's no more a knock off than any other western mech thing)

Thanks so much! I've had a tough time finding pictures and it's complicated by the fact that macross mechs aren't scaled in relation to each other the way the battletech equivalents are.

I might still pick up a 1/72 model or two as I'm willing to fudge it a bit, but I really appreciate the pic and it makes the 1/60 mechs much more appealing despite the price difference.

The 1/60 Destroids both scale well to the Armorcast 1/60 Battlemechs and the 1/72 ARII Glaug as a Marauder. If you have any of those you will not want to go with 1/72 Destroids they will be far too small. If you don't have those then you have quite a bit more Leeway, as they all look great next to 25mm or 28mm figures.

I hope the figures for this are really good. I have always liked both Robotech/Macross and Battletech. I even really liked Rifts as a setting. But don't have much in the way of expectations for the Rules.

 IdentifyZero wrote:
I am really looking forward to this kickstarter. It seems like it would do a heck of a lot better than the knockoff system.

Between the two, Paulson Games is much more likely to get my money.