Robotech Tactics Kickstarter anyone?

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**Ledabot**

warboss wrote:
Ledabot wrote:
I don't see the appeal in robotech. Macross is way better.

Then get the macross only minis. I'm not seeing how the above can be read as much more than trolling frankly.

You got me, but I actually am a little interested. I just don't really like the law since robotech was a little bit of a sad chimera of 80s robot anime. Ironically, I do like battletech quite a bit and that's probably even more of a mix up than robotech. But I'm sure that you didn't come to read my life story. I'll find a point somewhere in the discussion where i can comment and feel useful and fulfilling. I do like the pictures so far though.

**judgedoug**

efarrer wrote:
judgedoug wrote:
The Japanese names were used in Robotech, too. They're the official Robotech names. They're even used in the Robotech cartoon. http://www.robotech.com/infopedia/mecha/

For some reason Matchbox invented names for the toys, and then Palladium used the Matchbox invented names for the RPG. They've always been wrong and only used in those two instances.

Looking at my tattered 23year old rpg book...

To be fair, Palladium always acknowledged the dual names, both in the mech entries within the rule book and the "Japanimation sidenotes" at the end. Since I don't think anyone in the entire series refers to the destriods by name at any time it's fairly easy to see why they would have chosen the "common" names within the North American market for identifying the destroids.

I'd have to do a bunch of research (as in rewatch the whole series for like the 14th time) but I know VF-1 are definitely called Valkyries at several points, a squadron of Defenders are called Defenders at another point, I believe a Spartan is referenced as a Spartan correctly (and not using Spartan to reference a Phalanx for instance) and others I can't remember off the top of my head. I distinctly also remember a Zentraedi commander using the term "Regult" as well.

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Ledabot wrote:
warboss wrote:
Ledabot wrote:
I don't see the appeal in robotech. Macross is way better.

Then get the macross only minis. I'm not seeing how the above can be read as much more than trolling frankly.

You got me, but I actually am a little interested. I just don't really like the law since robotech was a little bit of a sad chimera of 80s robot anime. Ironically, I do like battletech quite a bit and that's probably even more of a mix up than robotech. But I'm sure that you didn't come to read my life story. I'll find a point somewhere in the discussion where i can comment and feel useful and fulfilling. I do like the pictures so far though.

It's all just a matter of opinion. I like the Robotech story as a whole better than the Macross story (especially 7 and Frontier which I believe are terrible). Robotech is more space opera, more grand, due to the (imho successful) combining of the different stories. Plus I really really want Masters Bioroids fighting Invid. The first time I saw the Sentinels I was like "holy gak that's awesome!" I hope they make Inorganics!

But the great thing is that with good high quality minis, they can be used for _everything_ from purist Macross or Mospeada or Southern Cross games to Robotech games to Battletech to any 6mm and I'm sure even some 15mm or 25mm gaming. The designs from all the original series are all great and I'm very excited about them finally being represented in good quality miniatures.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

We now have a tentative date for the KS (April), from Ninja Division on facebook

Ninja Division

We had a great time at GAMA - more previews of some of our amazing miniatures to be included in the upcoming Robotech®: RPG Tactics™. Watch for news about how to support this amazing project with Kickstarter, coming April, 2013!

**RogueRegault**

judgedoug wrote:
efarrer wrote:
judgedoug wrote:
The Japanese names were used in Robotech, too. They're the official Robotech names. They're even used in the Robotech cartoon. http://www.robotech.com/infopedia/mecha/

For some reason Matchbox invented names for the toys, and then Palladium used the Matchbox invented names for the RPG. They've always been wrong and only used in those two instances.

Looking at my tattered 23year old rpg book...

To be fair, Palladium always acknowledged the dual names, both in the mech entries within the rule book and the "Japanimation sidenotes" at the end. Since I don't think anyone in the entire series refers to the destriods by name at any time it's fairly easy to see why they would have chosen the "common" names within the North American market for identifying the destroids.

I'd have to do a bunch of research (as in rewatch the whole series for like the 14th time) but I know VF-1 are definitely called Valkyries at several points, a squadron of Defenders are called Defenders at another point, I believe a Spartan is referenced as a Spartan correctly (and not using Spartan to reference a Phalanx for instance) and others I can't remember off the top of my head. I distinctly also remember a Zentraedi commander using the term "Regult" as well.

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Ledabot wrote:
warboss wrote:
Ledabot wrote:
I don't see the appeal in robotech. Macross is way better.

Then get the macross only minis. I'm not seeing how the above can be read as much more than trolling frankly.

You got me, but I actually am a little interested. I just don't really like the law since robotech was a little bit of a sad chimera of 80s robot anime. Ironically, I do like battletech quite a bit and that's probably even more of a mix up than robotech. But I'm sure that you didn't come to read my life story. I'll find a point somewhere in the discussion where i can comment and feel useful and fulfilling. I do like the pictures so far though.

It's all just a matter of opinion. I like the Robotech story as a whole better than the Macross story (especially 7 and Frontier which I believe are terrible). Robotech is more space opera, more grand, due to the (imho successful) combining of the different stories. Plus I really really want Masters Bioroids fighting Invid. The first time I saw the Sentinels I was like "holy gak that's awesome!" I hope they make Inorganics!

But the great thing is that with good high quality minis, they can be used for _everything_ from purist Macross or Mospeada or Southern Cross games to Robotech games to Battletech to any 6mm and I'm sure even some 15mm or 25mm gaming. The designs from all the original series are all great and I'm very excited about them finally being represented in good quality miniatures.

Personally, I consider 7 and Frontier more grand because humanity went out to the stars rather than battening down on earth.

Frontier is space opera, MOSPAEDA is post-apocalyptic freedom fighters.

Although I do heavily dislike 7 for what it did to Max and Myria.

**Mad4Minis**

paulson games wrote:
On the TMP forum one of the palladium followers mentioned that the game would be priced comperable to "other big box games". I'm not sure what games thats in reference to. If it's GW games then it'll probably be pretty costly. The same post suggested that it'll be around $120 for the box. No idea what the total model count will be, although it seems like it's patterned a bit after GW's battlebox set up. I'm not certain on that as its all second hand info without much solid detail.

Thats pretty pricey. While the nostaglic part of me (Battletech was my first mini game, played the Robotech RPG too) loves the minis, Im not too happy with the raw deal they pulled on you, and a high price doesnt help. Id rather focus my funds on some 15mm large scale Battletech mechs, and a Paulson Games kickstarter should it pop up.

**Justyn**

Saying its pricey without knowing what is included is a bit premature at best. If you are set on disliking it for the Paulson/Harmony Gold thing thats fine. However there is no call to make up other reasons and post about them in this thread. Btw I'm all good on hating on HG and will jump on that bandwagon as fast as the next guy.

**chris_valera**

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Ninja Divison Facebook page

http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10151510734354459&id=99556434458&comment_id=28125455#!/NinjaDivision

and a photo from it (presumably one of the intended minis for this)

Ugh... this looks awful. My memroies are fuzzy, but did they ever pose like this? So action packed?

Valhallan42nd wrote:
Still better than Iron Wind's old molds.

Just barely

mullet_steve wrote:
I know I'm going to catch a lot of flak from die hard robotech fans but they should try to do what the guys at pgi have done with mechwarrior and update their design work as some of those designs are just silly looking....

I think it's just die-hard fans at this point, I think they like the retro-charm.

warboss wrote:
No news on the Kickstarter specifically but a friend messaged me that they posted pics of some of the minis on facebook. The bases are apparently 40mm (aka 40k terminator bases) and they'll be coming out in plastic.

These look better. What scale are they?

paulson games wrote:
On the TMP forum one of the palladium followers mentioned that the game would be priced comperable to "other big box games". I'm not sure what games thats in reference to. If it's GW games then it'll probably be pretty costly. The same post suggested that it'll be around $120 for the box. No idea what the total model count will be, although it seems like it's patterned a bit after GW's battlebox set up. I'm not certain on that as its all second hand info without much solid detail.

$120 is quite pricey, though of course we don't know what will be in the box. You may get a ton of stuff, though I'm wondering of it would have been better to go with an $80-100 price point, and sell-add-on sets. The Voltron game was $50, and Heroscape was about $80, but those were prepainted games.

Are we sure the figures are going to be plastoc, or restic?

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

**Sean_OBrien**

Those are the early samples which Ninja Division had with them at GAMA. They should be 1/285 just like the planned figures will be.

So far there hasn't been any official word on the price other than following industry standards - so I really doubt $120 will be the price point (as I can't think of anything at that price point that would be considered industry standard). Most games are either in the $99 price range or somewhere down hill from there.

Given the size and nature of the game - I wouldn't be surprised at all to see around 10 figures in the starter set

I forget if this has been posted here aleady...but several pictures over here:

http://robotechbattles.blogspot.com/

The figures which they had at GAMA were metal as I understand it - though I don't know if the plans for the production figures will be in plastic or metal. If they are plastic - I would guess hard plastic of PVC will be the choice.

**Justyn**

Here is Soda Pop's release on it
Prepare for invasion! Robotech® RPG Tactics™ is a fast paced strategy battle game that brings the epic combat of Robotech to your tabletop. Take command of the fighting forces of the United Earth Defence Force valiantly defending Earth from alien annihilation, or lead the massive clone armies of the Zentradi Empire to recover an alien artifact of immense power and enslave mankind.

Robotech®RPG Tactics™ is designed in partnership with the makers of the popular Robotech®RPG, Palladium Games, and Ninja Division. Ninja Division brings together the design talents of Soda Pop Miniatures and Cipher Studios, makers of Super Dungeon™ Explore, Relic Knights™, Helldorado™, and Anima Tactics™.

Ninja Division is developing an all new, streamlined rules system that allows you to relive the massive battles on your tabletop at home as a stand-alone game or to enhance your Robotech®RPG adventures. This fast-paced, action oriented system is being developed by lead designers: David Freeman designer of the popular Ultimate Fighting System CCG™ and developer on the Lord of the Rings TMG™; and renowned game designer Alessio Cavatore former designer of the Warhammer™ and Warhammer 40k™ systems by Games Workshop, designer of Kings of War™ by Mantic Games, and owner of River Horse Game Studio.

In addition, Ninja Division is bringing their years of miniature design and manufacturing experience to produce an expansive and dynamic range of plastic game pieces , sure to please fans of Robotech and serious collectors alike.

Make sure to keep up on all our latest announcements for this exciting new project by following Ninja Division's facebook page.

Regards,
Carl

From earlier in the thread. Emphasis mine.

So the plan is plastic as far as anyone knows at this point. I expect a $80 to $100 starter set with $15 to $25 expansions.

**kenshin620**

Heh my only exposure to macross is SRW, so I barely know anything about the series besides robots and aliens. Got to love that Macross Cannon, even if it doesnt hit anything...

I wonder when painted figs will pop up

**Justyn**

They already did. Check three posts up.

**kenshin620**

Ah I meant close up painted pics

**Cypher-xv**

warboss wrote:
No news on the Kickstarter specifically but a friend messaged me that they posted pics of some of the minis on facebook. The bases are apparently 40mm (aka 40k terminator bases) and they'll be coming out in plastic.

And boom goes the dynamite!!!!! Ah hell I hope they go into the stuff that was allowed like macross II and plus. Towards the end of the series I remember Rick playing with a lightning fighter. Please please dear lord include one in at some point. Will the models be posable or will they be one piece or will they be like DW figs were your stuck building them with the same pose? That could get boring. All in all I'm still excited about this. I've been waiting for this game since robotech first came out when I was 6 or 8 years old.

I hope I don't get any strange look when I start singing "we will win" while heroically piloting my valkyrie.lol

**Justyn**

I believe I read multi-part multi-pose somewhere. However I cannot find that blurb. It does look from the picture like the prototypes are at least somewhat pose-able.

**judgedoug**

kenshin620 wrote:
Got to love that Macross Cannon, even if it doesnt hit anything...

What's the Macross Cannon?

The SDF-1 Macross' main gun reflex cannon hit lots and lots of things, destroyed piles of capital ships and wiped out squadrons and squadrons of enemy mecha. Hell the very first episode of the series, it fires and cores a Zentraedi ship and the bleed energy from the near-miss of the beam tore the second one apart.

Even the Grand Cannon on Earth destroyed huge portions of Dolza's Fleet - thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of capital ships, equating to losses of millions of soldiers and mecha.

**kenshin620**

judgedoug wrote:
kenshin620 wrote:
Got to love that Macross Cannon, even if it doesnt hit anything...

What's the Macross Cannon?

The SDF-1 Macross' main gun reflex cannon hit lots and lots of things, destroyed piles of capital ships and wiped out squadrons and squadrons of enemy mecha. Hell the very first episode of the series, it fires and cores a Zentraedi ship and the bleed energy from the near-miss of the beam tore the second one apart.

Even the Grand Cannon on Earth destroyed huge portions of Dolza's Fleet - thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of capital ships, equating to losses of millions of soldiers and mecha.

Its game mechanics, not show mechanics, on accuracy I was referring to!

Spoiler:

In SRW, capital ships often have a hard time hitting small/agile things if they dont got aim/strike. Especially scopedogs, those guys sure do know how to dodge giant laser beams of death. Sorry for off topicness

Back to robotech!

**PanzerTC**

I got burnt by Kevin and his company on Rifts miniatures. Several Glitterboys and some Coalition troops. Never got them never got the money back. I don't trust them and will not support anything from them ever. Too bad - I used to love Macross/Robotech stuff.

**judgedoug**

kenshin620 wrote:

Its game mechanics, not show mechanics, on accuracy I was referring to!

What the hell is that thing? Lol. It barely resembles the SDF-1 Macross. I call shenanigans.

**Cyporiean**

Slightly OT

HLJ has a set of 1/200 Macross trade figures from across the franchise (YF-19, VF-X2 VA-3M Invader, and VF-1J in all three modes), These should be pretty close in size to the Robotech releases.

So if you're looking for some proxies:
http://www.hlj.com/product/YMT00077

**RogueRegault**

judgedoug wrote:
kenshin620 wrote:

Its game mechanics, not show mechanics, on accuracy I was referring to!

What the hell is that thing? Lol. It barely resembles the SDF-1 Macross. I call shenanigans.

It's the Macross Quarter from Macross Frontier. It's a carrier 1/4th the size of the original Macross. (400 meters long)

**Justyn**

1/200 is going to be quite a difference from 1/285 almost 50 percent bigger.

**Cypher-xv**

Dam you HG for holding back all the sweet looking mechs from the other spin off shows. I love the designs from zero and frontier. I can only hope they someday realize the potential of those models. I mean aren't they fans too? Come HG get together. At the very least when are they going to finish shadow chronicles? Or do we have to wait another ten or twenty years?

**vonjankmon**

whitedragon wrote:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Finally, in conclusion, I have a Destroid Monster that turns into a space bomber and a robot, which I got at a market in China so really all is well in the world.

Amazing........More pics please?

Bit late in posting but it looks like it's the Konig Monster from Macross Frontier.

http://news.toyark.com/2010/03/24/macross-frontier-dx-vb-6-konig-monster-2531

If you can find them, there are some amazing models from Macross Frontier and they're a bit easier to find since the series is more recent. Can still be difficult though but there are actually a few on Amazon.

**judgedoug**

RogueRegault wrote:

It's the Macross Quarter from Macross Frontier. It's a carrier 1/4th the size of the original Macross. (400 meters long)

Ah yes, my brain had successfully wiped away most of the turd that is that show. Why is Macross held in such low esteem in Japan that after Macross Plus they insist on grinding the license into the ground?

**Forar**

Justyn wrote:
I believe I read multi-part multi-pose somewhere. However I cannot find that blurb. It does look from the picture like the prototypes are at least somewhat pose-able.

I believe that was mentioned on the Facebook page. Definitely saw them say something along those lines.

I grew up with Robotech on TV and then later the book series (all of which are sitting on a shelf to this day), so I don't mind the english names.

Hell, if I'm honest, I'll probably continue to call 'em Veritechs forever.

I know the focus is on the original series, but if I get that much plus some Cyclone squads, I'll be a happy, happy man.

Also, there was a comment from a Ninja Division guy on the Facebook page that said the KS would begin in the first week of April.

**Sean_OBrien**

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=iaFNHyj3Xj0&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DiaFNHyj3Xj0

Short video from GAMA.

**Justyn**

Ok in the video he clearly states multipart plastic. Also he definitely alludes to them being useable in Battletech, They certainly look right in the video.

**warboss**

While there still isn't a hard date on the kickstarter, the following was posted on their latest press release. I suspect we won't be seeing the starter for much less than $100 judging from that second part (my emphasis).

The Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Kickstarter has been rescheduled to start mid-April. Oh, and save up your money. I was talking to an old pal who is a Robotech® fan and RPGer. Though he hasn’t gamed much in a number of years, he’s very interested in Robotech® RPG Tactics™ and the game pieces. He had put aside $200 for the Kickstarter, but after hearing what all was going to be offered, he said he would be spending double or triple that amount.

**RogueRegault**

judgedoug wrote:
RogueRegault wrote:

It's the Macross Quarter from Macross Frontier. It's a carrier 1/4th the size of the original Macross. (400 meters long)

Ah yes, my brain had successfully wiped away most of the turd that is that show. Why is Macross held in such low esteem in Japan that after Macross Plus they insist on grinding the license into the ground?

You know not everyone has your same tastes? Macross 7, Macross Zero, and Macross Frontier were all quite popular in Japan.

The only part of the series that's been disavowed is Macross II, mostly because Studio Nue wasn't involved in its production.

**judgedoug**

RogueRegault wrote:

You know not everyone has your same tastes? Macross 7, Macross Zero, and Macross Frontier were all quite popular in Japan.

The only part of the series that's been disavowed is Macross II, mostly because Studio Nue wasn't involved in its production.

Of course. When you pander to children, then giant robots in space with guitars is REALLY COOL to your target audience.

Interestingly, I enjoyed Macross II slightly more than Macross 7. I remember when 7 was airing and being slowly more dumbfounded with each passing episode (well, I was getting them on vhs in 4 episode chunks copies from japanese tv and mailed to me). I was also confused at first because while Macross II was an obvious sequel to DYRL, 7 used the designs from DYRL (such as Exsedol) but was supposed to be a direct sequel to Macross. But whatevs. 7 was terrible (and man oh man, stupidest ending for a show of all time) I found that with the increasingly poor treatment of the Macross property by it's own creators that the original Macross must have been a fluke, and it's precisely because of the poor sequels that I came to like Robotech's storyline more and more. I believe it's a superior story.