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I think I will have to save a part of my tax return for this.

I don't really need to replace the deck on my house that bad.

My silver lining for Macross 7 is that it gives me such a major counter-point to every "macross was SO much better than Robotrash" idiot. Robotech never had singing rock-band pilots literally controlling their valkyries with a guitar (unless you count Palladium's Lancers Rockers RPG book. I do not.) and singing at the aliens to stop them from stealing your mojo. Nor did Robotech have a Zentraedi Captain Ahab hunting the great white space-whale, or a Battle of the Bands competition between 2 pilots INSIDE THEIR MECHA! All of those things are exist in the official canon of a series that is supposedly "so much better" than Robotech, it makes me insane. I've given 7 a few tries over the years, never made it more than halfway through the series proper.

Macross Plus is absolutely fantastic from animation to mecha desing to story, but even then it had a computer AI pop singer who hypnotizes an entire city so she can kill the main pilot to show him she loves him. So, yeah, that happened. Macross Zero had some good art, great battle scenes, but in the end a terrible story. I really liked Frontier, but it suffers from the same tired old anime tropes of "we're in a military-like organization but not THE military because the actual military guys are bad and dumb and stupid and possibly evil because reasons" as well as "mecha pilots still in high school dealing with high school drama in-between alien attacks".

Macross II is great for what it was (a direct sequel to DYRL) and had some of my absolute favorite mecha designs of all time. The VF-2SS is hands down THE best looking valkyrie of any series before or since, bar NONE! The Destroid designs are all awesome, the Marduk and Zentraedi power armor is freaking sweet and the starships are some of the coolest from any of the diferent series. But the story is rightfully maligned and should have followed the fighter pilots and not some punk reporter nobody cares about. Marduk kick ass though, I've always secretly hoped for a Robotech Master's revamp to be more Marduk and less greco-roman.

So yeah, TLR Robotech is great even though it has some major issues and Macross is great but it has some major issues, but they tell very different stories and build into very different worlds so stop telling me how one is so much "better" than the other just because it's the original japanese and that somehow makes a pile of poop smell like roses.

PS - As much as I have always desired to own a VF-2SS in 1/285th I would be incredibly surprised to ever see a Macross II expansion to this Robotech game. Palladium willingly gave up the rights to those books long ago and even when they made them they had Dream Pod 9 write 3 of the 5 books. Palladium has never bothered with any of the other Macross sequels (probably too much licensing issues).

I wouldn't expect too many Macross shows that didn't get made into Robotech shows. This is being made with License from Harmony Gold. Only shows they have licenses for will be made into expansions for this game.

A new reveal, the Zentraedi are in

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
A new reveal, the Zentraedi are in

I will have to get one of those, for obvious reasons.

omg that's a nice model

So, has this campaign launched yet?

 Kalamadea wrote:


Macross II is great for what it was (a direct sequel to DYRL) and had some of my absolute favorite mecha designs of all time. The VF-2SS is hands down THE best looking valkyrie of any series before or since, bar NONE! The Destroid designs are all awesome, the Marduk and Zentraedi power armor is freaking sweet and the starships are some of the coolest from any of the diferent series. But the story is rightfully maligned and should have followed the fighter pilots and not some punk reporter nobody cares about. Marduk kick ass though, I've always secretly hoped for a Robotech Master's revamp to be more Marduk and less greco-roman.

I agree with you 100%. The VF-2SS is an amazing mecha. I have a 1/100 transformable model kit of it, but it would be awesome to have one in a size that easier supports gaming.

RogueRegault wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
A new reveal, the Zentraedi are in

I will have to get one of those, for obvious reasons.

This is looking very nice. Considering Palladium only has token approval over the artwork and figures and the main game seems to be done by Soda Pop, I'm looking interested.

My only concern is that I tried watching Robotech recently and holy crow, it did not age well.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

so when does the KS launch?

 chris_valera wrote:
Considering Palladium only has token approval over the artwork and figures and the main game seems to be done by Soda Pop

Source required. Palladium isn't known for hands-off...

~Eric

 Taarnak wrote:

 chris_valera wrote:
Considering Palladium only has token approval over the artwork and figures and the main game seems to be done by Soda Pop

Source required. Palladium isn't known for hands-off...

Palladium => Kevin Siembieda

Cergorach wrote:

 Taarnak wrote:

 chris_valera wrote:
Considering Palladium only has token approval over the artwork and figures and the main game seems to be done by Soda Pop

Source required. Palladium isn't known for hands-off...

Palladium => Kevin Siembieda

Yes, it pretty much does.

Look into it some.

~Eric

griffen127 wrote:
so when does the KS launch?

That is a good question!

On facebook Ninja Division is still saying April for the KS launch (info posted 23rd March)

Thanks for that Orlando - so... any day now!

 Alpharius wrote:
Thanks for that Orlando - so... any day now!

That's what the customers of the last two Palladium crowdfunding ventures have been saying since last GenCon due date... I hope the involvement of other companies (Soda Pop and Harmony Gold) will prevent a repeat of history.

Counting on Soda Pop to help speed things up might not be the best thing!

I'm totally getting this game when it comes out. I can't wait to blast my opponent away with the officer pod's particle beam cannon.

 CaptKaruthors wrote:
I'm totally getting this game when it comes out. I can't wait to blast my opponent away with the officer pod's particle beam cannon.

Something that possibly should only be said online, on a miniature wargaming site...

 Alpharius wrote:
Counting on Soda Pop to help speed things up might not be the best thing!

Are they generally not known for keeping to release dates? I've followed their stuff on threads here on dakka but haven't bought anything or paid close enough attention to notice any dates/releases slipping. Their stuff (much like Infinity for me) has great detail and looks good but the aesthetic is a bit too sailor moon and catgirl for me whereas my interests lie more in anime robots/cyborgs mostly (robotech, votoms, appleseed, Ghost in the shell).

They are not the best in terms of timeliness and communication.

Also, there's a little bit of silly and cheesecake in INFINITY, but it is WAY more Robotech/Votoms/Appleseed/Ghost in the Shell than not!

 Alpharius wrote:

Also, there's a little bit of silly and cheesecake in INFINITY, but it is WAY more Robotech/Votoms/Appleseed/Ghost in the Shell than not!

Agreed. While I don't need nor want the gothic grimdark seriousness of 40k, catgirl/pokemon flair in a robot minis game tends to turn me off which counts out the previous Soda Pop releases and to a lesser extent Infinity. Some of the TAGs (I think that's the name) that resemble appleseed cyborgs and robots interest me alot but I made a vow a few years back that I wouldn't just buy minis that I like for the hell of it but rather only towards complete games/armies that I intend to play... otherwise I would have bought my first infinity mini a few months back (scarface). I just haven't had recent luck in finding a new minis game that I want to get into whose figs appeal to me aesthetically. Thon would have fit the bill but that fizzled for reasons we both know from posting in that thread... Warzone has taken a turn for the retro with their Capitol figs resembling the older, goofy ones rather than the almost complete modernizing reboot Bauhaus got. So far, I'm only left with Robotech (whose designs are about the opposite of "new" you can get but are a classic I grew up with) and that's dependent on how much involvement Palladium has with the running of the kickstarter as well as making up the rules. Anything compatible with or resembling the Palladium RPG system that I played for almost a decade would likely stop me from purchasing any minis. I've already got a bunch of unbuilt 1/200 nice plastic kits so my reason for buying the minis (or supporting a kickstarter) would be to actually play the game.

 chris_valera wrote:

RogueRegault wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
A new reveal, the Zentraedi are in

I will have to get one of those, for obvious reasons.

This is looking very nice. Considering Palladium only has token approval over the artwork and figures and the main game seems to be done by Soda Pop, I'm looking interested.

My only concern is that I tried watching Robotech recently and holy crow, it did not age well.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

Compared to the Japanese anime of starship troopers (Uchuu no Senshi) 1988 macross has aged very well. Even more than live action movies anime can age very badly

I've been watching for this like a hawk, and basically there were murmurs last year (nothing official) that a KS might fire up in January.

Obviously that came and went.

The first official word was March.

Also long gone.

Then early April, then on April 4th we were told "within 10 days", and now just recently the most recent word has been updated to "around the 20th, maybe a little before or after".

So given Palladium's track record, and the involvement of Ninja Division and Harmony Gold, the KS campaign should begin sometime between now and when the sun finally expands into a Red Giant, roughly 7.5 Billion years from now.

But at least it's a starting point.

Personally I'm liking what I see of the models, but I'll admit that as someone who is very new to both building and painting models (only been doing so for the past year), I'm kind of dreading the results of trying to do Max Sterling's Veritech justice. Blue trim on something the size of a fingernail... *shudder*

 zombie wrote:

 chris_valera wrote:

RogueRegault wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
A new reveal, the Zentraedi are in

I will have to get one of those, for obvious reasons.

This is looking very nice. Considering Palladium only has token approval over the artwork and figures and the main game seems to be done by Soda Pop, I'm looking interested.

My only concern is that I tried watching Robotech recently and holy crow, it did not age well.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

Compared to the Japanese anime of starship troopers (Uchuu no Senshi) 1988 macross has aged very well. Even more than live action movies anime can age very badly

He's probably talking about things like "old sourpuss!?" and going out into space to catch a tuna. Which is why the people complaining about 7 and Frontier remind me of those Transformers fans who gripe about kid sidekicks in the more recent shows.


It is interesting to watch old animes sometimes and compare production values. There's things that can be done really easily nowadays that old shows didn't have (color consistency) but at the same time there's artistry that you never see in modern animes (There's a rotating spotlight in a throwaway shot in Xabungle's first episode that blows away any lighting effects done in modern shows.)

RogueRegault wrote:
He's probably talking about things like "old sourpuss!?" and going out into space to catch a tuna. Which is why the people complaining about 7 and Frontier remind me of those Transformers fans who gripe about kid sidekicks in the more recent shows.

That's why the best episodes of Macross are post Rick/Hikaru joining up; and especially after Gloval/Grobal's Report. I remember reading something about how Macross was in danger of being canceled so they had to start speeding the story along. (Perhaps if 7's meandering plot had been compressed into 20-something episodes it might have been more watchable, Giant Robots With Guitars And Spear Pods notwithstanding)

Incoming from Facebook, the KS supposedly goes live this week




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(last rumour put launch at around 20th April, so probably later in the week rather than earlier)

April/May is turning out to be a very expensive couple of months...

Every month since KS got running big time for gaming has been expensive

(But I guess if you like terrain/boards too it will be a real nightmare)


Automatically Appended Next Post:
"Ninja Division
We just submitted the Kickstarter for approval! Shouldn't be too much longer now!"

KS approval seems to run anywhere from a few hours to a week depending on whether they like the project wording etc,

since Soda Pop has been involved in one already they should have an decent idea of how to write it up