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Unfortunately there's no way to meet the wants of every backer as there's no universal standard. If it's not the shipping, then it's the price or stretch goal freebies involved. Best I can do is say how I intend to proceed with stuff, if it cost me a couple backer there's not much I can do to prevent that. Hopefully the changes I make will make it possible to attract other new backers who have interests more in line with what I can deliver on.

So, about those quads!

*snicker*

Probably better for us to move to a new line of discussion, imo, and leave that behind

Edit: What about those quads?

I posted a question in the comments about the stretch goals: Am I right in thinking that the 4k, 5k, and 15k are for 15mm scale pledges? The others all specify a scale but these don't, so I think they're 15mm-only but just wanted to check!

Noted and attended to.

I think most of us are, if i'm reading correctly (correct me if i'm wrong RiTides) RT is wanting the lighter stuff early for use in another project too, which is fair enough but I can see why Paulson isn't in a rush to change to wave format for a vocal minority (I think only 2-3 have expressed interest in it?)

Alright, I had a response to Forar, and he edited it, so I'll just make this my final posting.

PG, I wish you well on your campaign, and look forward to checking out your minis when they hit retail.

 paulson games wrote:
Unfortunately there's no way to meet the wants of every backer as there's no universal standard. If it's not the shipping, then it's the price or stretch goal freebies involved. Best I can do is say how I intend to proceed with stuff, if it cost me a couple backer there's not much I can do to prevent that. Hopefully the changes I make will make it possible to attract other new backers who have interests more in line with what I can deliver on.

I was curious if you might add a combat patrol level two player tier- something like 2 mediums, four lights, rulebooks, and dice? I'll probably still move my Combat Patrol up to the Total Carnage, but a lower-priced two-player starter might help things along(I know I'd immediately jump up to it at the very least).

I still have several stretch goal options left to reveal that will further enhance the lower tiers, the combat patrol is a good sweet spot to be in.

 paulson games wrote:
I still have several stretch goal options left to reveal that will further enhance the lower tiers.

Cryptic, but it still pleases me.

That's a good idea, Sinful Hero!

DT- Appreciate your leaving it there (and Forar editing, too) as I think the point was made all around.

doc- Yeah, that's why I was asking, but I understand that since Paulson is doing everything himself, it's just not feasible. No big deal for me, I'll adjust my plans accordingly.

And Paulson answered my above question in the comments, those are indeed 15mm stretch goals, which makes sense! They are in fact color coded with a hex blue or a hex green background (green is 15mm related) although it's a little hard to make out, I totally didn't notice that before

Given that most of the stretch goals so far are extra content for free provided to your backers I have to wonder how much these freebies will eat into your budget and possibly your profit margin? I just think it's a bit odd that you are promising more stuff meaning better value to your customers the more customers you have, is it possible that you'll reach some sort of critical mass whereby the more customers you get the less money you have to finish the project?




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I still want a Tiger QUAD Mecha for my Neo-Block guys. when will we unlock those bad boys?

Not to speak for PG, but in general it's referred to as "the economy of scale", where making X 'widgets' costs $Y, but making 2X widgets only costs 1.5Y, or some variation thereof.

A great example of this was a friend of mine who got some calendars made for her business.

She could get 300 calendars made for one price, or 1000 made for an extra $3. Once the primary costs of designing and laying out the product were covered, the actual cost per unit was literally fractions of a penny.

Obviously making molds and procuring resin and pewter and whatnot all have costs, but the more backers are in, and the more of each thing he's making, the less each item costs individually as a fraction of that entire process.

And while he clearly wants to at least remain neutral (if not have a little cushioning, because there are always unforeseen costs that creep up), with this as an expansion of his product line to the wider public, it's not just about getting money back from the campaign, but being able to go forth and sell to the interwebs in general, where the cost per unit hopefully continues to plummet until the mold has to be repaired or replaced.

Edit: as for the quads, assuming he follows the same pattern, once we hit 13k and unlock our first heavy, presumably we'll get info on the next ones in the line. He's said a few times that the whole line would unlock around 30k, so hopefully we're nearing the half way mark. And while funding has slowed (but we've made up some of what was lost), I'm hoping the final days are solid all around, and optimistic about the whole thing.

There won't be too many more future freebies, future stretch goals are going to largely be unlockable items. The printed items get cheaper for me by like 20%-30% if I can get them in bulk, same with the magnets. The resin weapon packs don't have a huge cost for me to make it's more of a time trade off of personal time. If I paid somebody to do the casting for me it'd cost more but I can trade some of my personal time to fulfill the weapon pack stretch goals without incurring too much additional cost. However I still need to watch costs carefully, I won't make all sorts of bank on this, I'll make a small amount but the goal is to get all costs of the models mastering paid for and cover molding costs.

After the KS is where I'll hopefully make up on profit, if the game line is established via the kickstarter then it removes start up costs from later items and those that sell are all in the black.

Yeah, make sure you're able to do the project in the black, and keep it up in the longterm future. Doing everything to make a bigger campaign can often create too many issues for a small company.

Have you considered whether there's a fulfillment level where it makes sense to have someone else do the casting?

Maybe somewhere past the 30k mark where some of that funding would be more likely to not be earmarked for something specific already?

And that's good with me, PG. Thanks for the heads up, but I think most of us seem to be on the same page that this isn't going to be one of those campaigns where you start doubling model counts or anything. And that's totally cool by me. Whether I just go in for a couple mechs or give in and snag a handful per faction, it's nice to see a realistic and reasonable creator at the helm, rather than some 'stars in their eyes, a song in their hearts, and no frakking idea what they're doing' project like SOME we know of. >.>

I love the new tiers. I will sit down with them tonight and probably fork over more moolah

Nice, bit of a surge here in the evening, gained a backer and down to $136 from ticking over the 13k mark, with Heavies starting to come online officially.

Edit: and then Eldarain pushes us over 13k by a hefty margin! Heavies are here, ladies and gentlemen!

Bring on the big guns!!!

Going to have stuff updated likely tomorrow, all evening I've been dealing with overheating issues on my desktop. Should be back on track tomorrow.

Arrggg...! I would love to get in on this KS.

I love the look of your mecha Jon. I started down the path of 15mm this last year, and your stuff would make great additions to the ever growing forces of 15mm sci-fi that grace my lead/resin pile.

If I can find a way to finance a buy in before the KS ends, I will try to pick up something from it to help you out.

Oh, maybe you have answered this somewhere else, but do you intend to add any other types of units to the game? Infantry, smaller vehicles etc? Or will the mecha be the only focus of the game for the foreseeable future?

I think there will be rules for other units, but the focus for models this year is on mecha (with the idea being that there are plenty of providers for 15mm tanks/infantry to use, but not mechs that match this style).

ski2060 wrote:
Arrggg...! I would love to get in on this KS.

I love the look of your mecha Jon. I started down the path of 15mm this last year, and your stuff would make great additions to the ever growing forces of 15mm sci-fi that grace my lead/resin pile.

If I can find a way to finance a buy in before the KS ends, I will try to pick up something from it to help you out.

Oh, maybe you have answered this somewhere else, but do you intend to add any other types of units to the game? Infantry, smaller vehicles etc? Or will the mecha be the only focus of the game for the foreseeable future?

Yeah, the mecha right now are the stars of the show. So they're priority one. But maybe farther down the line we'll get some other things to mix and match.

There are a bunch of 15mm things out there to use in the meantime. So that's a plus.

Yeah, not to overdo the point, but he mentioned a few days back that this campaign is for mechs alone, but that one for other stuff could happen later, perhaps next year.

Maybe some nice mod can add that to the first post?

Jon, as long as you don't go the spincast resin route without being really sure you don't pull a Mantic...

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Maybe some nice mod can add that to the first post?

Jon, as long as you don't go the spincast resin route without being really sure you don't pull a Mantic...

So we end up with mecha riding giant cats, or robotic werewolf loincloths?

 doc1234 wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Maybe some nice mod can add that to the first post?

Jon, as long as you don't go the spincast resin route without being really sure you don't pull a Mantic...

So we end up with mecha riding giant cats, or robotic werewolf loincloths?

I'd still buy it.

Yeah, I figured that only mecha were in this KS, I was just wondering if in the future rules for other unit types were going to be done.

Kinda like how Battletech basic box just covers battlemechs, and everything else is covered in other books.

I'll see if I can find some unused models to sell off in the meantime to finance some Mechafront action.

 doc1234 wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Maybe some nice mod can add that to the first post?

Jon, as long as you don't go the spincast resin route without being really sure you don't pull a Mantic...

So we end up with mecha riding giant cats, or robotic werewolf loincloths?

Or incredible delays like Raging Heroes.

Hmm, I guess that's one of the downsides of this 'openness' of this whole crowdfunding thing. Users already get to see what will come out way before it's even produced. Not that strange since the users have also become the investors. Only downside is that things often take time, and with stuff often go so fast, waiting becomes even more frustrating.

Oh well...

Seriously though.

RH binned a complete production run because they felt the ball and socket connector was too tight. Rather than just sand the master slightly and roll with it.