Citadel Edge Paints in March (now released)

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**Ouze**

Breotan wrote:
I still don't know why people care about this. Is it really that difficult to mix your own highlight colors?

I don't see why anyone buys purple, grey, or orange. Is it really that difficult to just mix blue and red/black and white/red and yellow?

**Ugly Green Trog**

jonolikespie wrote:
Ugly Green Trog wrote:
n0t_u wrote:
I like a few of these, but the MO part annoys me.

I'm pretty sure the reason they are MO is because of the niche nature of the product. To the everyday painter they probably aren't going to be of interest and most of the kiddies who spend their time in GW aren't going to be interested either. If you have lines that aren't going to shift well it isn't always viable to keep them in stock. You can always order them to your local GW for no delivery charge.

Um.. yea no a few extra paints are not going to take up anything more than maybe a 30cm by 30cm by 8cm section of the already existing paint rack and you can't really consider certain paints to be a niche while others aren't. GW are mostly likely just testing the price for a future jump across the entire range while either (A) laughing at FLGS again or (B) they just don't give a crap.

I disagree, these paints are for fine edge work, to the average painter (unless you are using them to cover large areas) one pot will last you years provided you look after your paints. This isn't your devlan mud here (I get through about 2 pots of that a year) take away the kids and battlefield paint job people and those who mix their own highlights who will probably never buy these and all of a sudden you are looking at more of a niche paint. My local GWs paint display has a rack of maybe 1.2 meters square if they give over room for 9 new lines with a much smaller scope for sale that may impact the sales of other more key lines.

Certain paints are much less used than others, It will vary from store to store and area to area depending on what armies are popular etc but there are certain colours that will be a staple part of everyone's range. I don't know all the new names but for example you can't argue that a colour like fiery orange is as widely bought as blood red, devlan mud, Badab black or ultra marines blue.

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Ouze wrote:
Breotan wrote:
I still don't know why people care about this. Is it really that difficult to mix your own highlight colors?

I don't see why anyone buys purple, grey, or orange. Is it really that difficult to just mix blue and red/black and white/red and yellow?

I just feel its a consistancy issue for a unit unless you highlight the whole unit at once there is scope for mistakes in the mixing processes leaving you with different shades.

**Kroothawk**

ph34r wrote:So are edge paints suitable for painting an entire coat? The colors look nice and if they are light paints that cover well that could be a great boon for people trying to paint yellow.

Technically, they are Layer Paints, not Base Paints. So don't expect a pastell yellow to cover a black base coat in one coat. That said, you can paint layers as with every other layer paint, just in pastell colours.

Breotan wrote:I still don't know why people care about this. Is it really that difficult to mix your own highlight colors?

I will use them for celtic ornaments on green armour, so I will need more of it in a consistent colour.

ceorron wrote:Some of those names are long and hard to remember, I'd hate to have to go into a store and ask for Lugga-whatever Orange or Baha-whatever blue.
Good job they are mail order only

If those names are too complicated for you, then just use the standard paints like Naggaroth Night, Zandri Dust, Xereus Purple, Sybarite Green, Skarsnik Green, Ulthuan Grey, Sycorax Bronze, Praxeti White, or Athonian Camoshade

**jonolikespie**

Ugly Green Trog wrote:

I disagree, these paints are for fine edge work, to the average painter (unless you are using them to cover large areas) one pot will last you years provided you look after your paints. This isn't your devlan mud here (I get through about 2 pots of that a year) take away the kids and battlefield paint job people and those who mix their own highlights who will probably never buy these and all of a sudden you are looking at more of a niche paint. My local GWs paint display has a rack of maybe 1.2 meters square if they give over room for 9 new lines with a much smaller scope for sale that may impact the sales of other more key lines.

Ok.. here is the core of my problem with it. You are saying that they are 'niche' paints because they are only used for edge highlighting. Going by what GW says you are correct, and therefore they don't need to be on shelves, but GW are not someone to take advice from when it comes to these things. They present their 'edge' paints like a unique little extra used for a specific purpose when really they are just the lighter colours from the dry range but with a normal consistency. They are just regular paints in different colours, which is not a niche thing.
GW insist this paint is for edge work and that for layers but other than their dry range (a stupid idea imo but that is neither here nor there) it is just paint. Other than the fact they are lighter than other colours in the range there is nothing special about them, there is however a demand for lighter colours in the range (that aren't dry) otherwise they wouldn't exist.

**Kroothawk**

There is no room for them in the paint rack, simple as that. No retailer wants to buy a new rack just for these niche paints.

**angel of ecstasy**

Kroothawk wrote:
There is no room for them in the paint rack, simple as that. No retailer wants to buy a new rack just for these niche paints.

"We have the Citadel Edge Paints! Ask the staff."

When Liquid Green Stuff was initially released there was no room for that in the rack either, but it still made the stores.

**RiTides**

nolzur wrote:
RiTides - you will hate me when I say this, but I have 4 pots of Tin Bitz. I bought a huge amount of GW paint when they made the switch.
One of the FLGS in my area was selling the old pots for $1 each.

Yep, you are now my sworn enemy

**ceorron**

Kroothawk wrote:

ceorron wrote:Some of those names are long and hard to remember, I'd hate to have to go into a store and ask for Lugga-whatever Orange or Baha-whatever blue.
Good job they are mail order only

If those names are too complicated for you, then just use the standard paints like Naggaroth Night, Zandri Dust, Xereus Purple, Sybarite Green, Skarsnik Green, Ulthuan Grey, Sycorax Bronze, Praxeti White, or Athonian Camoshade

I know the length GW goes to to make it's paint names copyright-able astounds me.

**AllSeeingSkink**

Kroothawk wrote:
There is no room for them in the paint rack, simple as that. No retailer wants to buy a new rack just for these niche paints.

Says who? Of the 2 FLGS near me, one had several paint racks for different brands of paint and even got a shelving unit to house random paints from brands for which they didn't carry the full range, the other one just made little hangers so they could rest an additional paint rack on top of the existing GW one. Go to a hobby shop and you'll find tons of paint racks, often several from the same company as they release their lines at different times.

I don't think any retailer wants to tell their customers "Oh sorry, you'll have to go to our competitor to buy that" unless it's from a range they genuinely don't stock and don't want to have to deal with.

As for these paints, meh. It's nice to have new colours, it's not nice to have them MO only and not nice to have them more expensive. GW already charge a premium price for average paints with average quality control, now they want us to pay a premium on the premium. And we wonder why people are so negative to GW.

GW: "Hey look, new paints!"
Gamer: "Yay"!
GW: "Oh sorry, we aren't matching any of your old paints"
Gamer: "....oh"
GW: "Hey, look! New pale colour paints!"
Gamer: "Yay!"
GW: "Oh, and they cost 17% more and are only available through our store"
Gamer: "....oh"

It's like GW are allergic to releasing good news without also kicking gamers and/or retailers in the groin a little bit.

**skrulnik**

RiTides wrote:
nolzur wrote:
RiTides - you will hate me when I say this, but I have 4 pots of Tin Bitz. I bought a huge amount of GW paint when they made the switch.
One of the FLGS in my area was selling the old pots for $1 each.

Yep, you are now my sworn enemy

If you didn't know, Vallejo Game Color Tinny Tin is a dead match for Tin Bitz.
A buddy base coats all metals with it, and let me know.

**Azazelx**

I'll probably grab them all. I can see them being useful for Slaaneshi figures.

**Magos Explorator**

nolzur wrote:
RiTides - you will hate me when I say this, but I have 4 pots of Tin Bitz. I bought a huge amount of GW paint when they made the switch.

I did something similar, for certain key colours for forces I was in the middle of at the time (e.g. Tin Bitz, Mechrite Red, Dheneb Stone, Charadon Granite). I like to have a consistent look across a force.

I have found some of the old paints on eBay, too, recently, for a similar price to what their RRP was.

**Breotan**

I made sure I had enough paint to finish my Skaven army. Other than that, I wasn't really worried.

**Azazelx**

Magos Explorator wrote:
I like to have a consistent look across a force.

Yep. Exactly why I'm looking at getting these.

**wowsmash**

That's why I use Vallejo instead. I don't have to deal with the color swaping.

I like the idea behind the paints but making the MO means there's no point in buying it. Sure if it was in store I might buy it to try it because its on hand, but if I have to deal with the MO mess its simpler if I just do it myself. That's what note books are for. I keep track of every scheme and paint ratio for each army so I know we're i left off.

See it pays to be OCD sometimes

**Azazelx**

Oh, I won't MO them, but if the semi-local place will get them in, I'll buy them. I've got a huge number of Vallejo paints, but I'm always open to new paints.

**ph34r**

Kroothawk wrote:
ph34r wrote:So are edge paints suitable for painting an entire coat? The colors look nice and if they are light paints that cover well that could be a great boon for people trying to paint yellow.

Technically, they are Layer Paints, not Base Paints. So don't expect a pastell yellow to cover a black base coat in one coat. That said, you can paint layers as with every other layer paint, just in pastell colours.

Thanks, that's good to know. I've always been a fan of pastels and if this range of pastels is suitable for painting over foundation/base paint or white primer, then I will be buying a good amount of this.

**phil751**

For me i quite like this range , not wanting to get into the whole price point situation. I find they are useful for speeding up the army painting process. Sure you can mix your own highlights but i usually end up mixing too much or too little. To much over the course of painting an army can lead for me to a lot of wasted paint, to little and its annoying trying to mix a satisfactory match. Painting individual for the showcase then its not quite so useful for me at least. i have tried many brands over the years but alas gw are the ones i get what i feel are the best results for me

**lennymaybe**

I really like these pastel colours, but I shudder to think of the Australian retail on them. Our regular paints retail for $7 locally.

**reps0l**

I agree, I'm interested in seeing these in person. Not just for the edge effect but to see what else can be done with the paint.

**BrassScorpion**

They're the same formulation as base paints, so cover well, but with paler shades suitable for edge highlights, yes.

Actually, these are thin layer style versions of some of the "DRY" colors in the current Citadel Paint range. They are the exact same colors, but instead of being extra dry for dry-brushing they are ordinary "wet" versions so you can do blending and edge highlighting with the paint still wet. Being bright colors it's assumed they will see most of their use for highlighting darker related colors just like their DRY versions.

Of course, if you already own the DRY versions and need a little bit of those colors wet all you need to do is add a little water to a blob of the dry color on your palette. I've already used them this way. However, having them wet already would save a lot of time if there's a color one uses often this way.

**AllSeeingSkink**

BrassScorpion wrote:
They're the same formulation as base paints, so cover well, but with paler shades suitable for edge highlights, yes.

Actually, these are thin layer style versions of some of the "DRY" colors in the current Citadel Paint range. They are the exact same colors, but instead of being extra dry for dry-brushing they are ordinary "wet" versions so you can do blending and edge highlighting with the paint still wet. Being bright colors it's assumed they will see most of their use for highlighting darker related colors just like their DRY versions.

Of course, if you already own the DRY versions and need a little bit of those colors wet all you need to do is add a little water to a blob of the dry color on your palette. I've already used them this way. However, having them wet already would save a lot of time if there's a color one uses often this way.

It's a shame they aren't bases, I was more interested when I heard that. Layer means you only really have the option of painting it over white or using it as a edge highlight where you don't need opacity.

**Motograter**

My local GW have about 6 of these ltd edition boxes left. Should pick one up as its not a bad deal it would seem with these prices

**Acardia**

ceorron wrote:
Some of those names are long and hard to remember, I'd hate to have to go into a store and ask for Lugga-whatever Orange or Baha-whatever blue.

Good job they are mail order only

Just be happy Mierce doesn't make paints.

**Kroothawk**

Citadel Edge Paints are released and can be ordered now (no preorder period):
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat470003a&rootCatGameStyle=paints-tools

White Dwarf Daily wrote:New: Edge Paints and Black Library Novels

Back by popular demand, the Edge Paints have made a triumphant return and are now available to order as individual pots from the Games Workshop website! For those of you that didn't get your hands on them last year when they first came out, this is the perfect opportunity to add them to your paint collection.

Edge Paints enable you to achieve sharp, bright highlights on your miniatures - they're ideal for painting the reflective edges of armour panels, the final highlights on faces or even the lightning patterns on power weapons. The nine Edge Paints come in a variety of pastel tones, from the visually striking Baharroth Blue, which is an excellent colour to use on gemstones and lenses, to Lugganath Orange, which looks great as a final highlight on red armour and cloaks.

The Edge Paints are fully compatible with all the paints in the Citadel Paint Range, of which there are now a staggering 153 of them. They can be applied to your miniatures in the same way as you would apply a Layer Paint, though, as their name suggests, they look best applied right on the edge of the area you're painting. For those experienced hobbyists out there, you'll pick up how to use them pretty quickly and they'll soon become an invaluable addition to your paint collection. For those of you new to painting, then why not pick up a copy of How to Paint Citadel Miniatures - there are loads of useful tips in there that should get you heading in the right direction. You could also pop into your local Games Workshop and have a chat to the staff - they'll be more than willing to help.

**DaveC**

Well I ordered a set of the 9 colours - the first thing I've bought from GW in nearly a year, I'd rather not have to order directly from GW but needs must. I missed them first time around and they are exactly the sort of colours I want to paint my SDE and chibi stuff - yeah you can achieve the same effect by mixing white into other colours but having these means the colour will be same every time - I only mix colours when I have to. These will be used on one off pieces not on an army so if they discontinue them again it's not the end of the world for me.

**mikhaila**

Ugly Green Trog wrote:
n0t_u wrote:
I like a few of these, but the MO part annoys me.

I'm pretty sure the reason they are MO is because of the niche nature of the product. To the everyday painter they probably aren't going to be of interest and most of the kiddies who spend their time in GW aren't going to be interested either. If you have lines that aren't going to shift well it isn't always viable to keep them in stock. You can always order them to your local GW for no delivery charge.

Most everything in my store is a niche product. I pay my rent be selling hundreds of different lines of niche products. I miss the days when GW let the retailer decide what would sell in his store, and not take that decision, (and the sales) away from us.

**Kroothawk**

"Niche product" is marketing manager talk meaning "we massively lose customers and sales but that's okay and totally not our fault"