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Julnlecs wrote:On your game 5, only scoring and denial units can score linebreaker which the stormraven is none of those so you should have won the game.

The Stormraven is scoring in this scenario thanks to The Scouring. Remember that Grey Knight Stormravens are Fast Attack...

whoadirty wrote:
Solid week with all these bat reps - thanks jy2!

Is there a story behind your objectives?

How many Termagants do you carry around for those two Tervigons?

No story, really. I just like the turtles.

I carry around 60 gants, though I rarely ever need that many. That's because gants get killed and you can recycle them. My general rule of thumb is that you need about 20 gants per tervigon, so for 2, you need about 40. I've only ever got up to 60 once, and that when I ran 3 tervigons. As for 2, probably the most I've ever used was about 50.

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
JY2 is Asian... who knew?

Great battle reports, lucid detail and amazing recall with no notes being taken! Like someone said, it's almost like being there.

Your nids have inspired me to start a Mechanicus counts-as nid army with Imperial Knights standing in for TMC!

Flyrants: Jet-Pack constructs

Tervigons and Gaunts: Skitarii Battle-Factorum and Skitarri Hordes

etc.

What are your opinions on Tyrannofexes and Dakkafexes in pods?

Thanks. The pictures help a lot. You could say that they are my notes and I mark down how many dies with my dice.

It'll be pretty cool to see your Mechanicus count-as army. You should post it on dakka if you get the chance. I know Hulksmash had a Mechanicus count-as Daemon army back in 5th, using land speeders as Tzeentch Heralds on chariots. It was pretty cool looking.

I used to use the tyrannofex. Now I think he is a waste of space (sorry t-fex!). Dakkafex, however, is still a very viable unit. Dakkafexes in pods work really well with dual-flyrants and the Doom to put a lot of pressure on the opponent. And while you're at it, might as well throw in a unit of Ymgarls to make his day brighter.

 HiveFleet wrote:
Excellent report. Congrats on your placement! Look forward to seeing what you can come up with next!

Next up....Daemons!

Really enjoyed this series, congratulations on a good result!

 Blackmoor wrote:
I was thinking about Dreadknights instead of Dreadnaughts, but your game #7 kind of turned me off of them.

Well that, and their price, and dreadnaughts psychic defense.

I wouldn't dismiss them yet. My opponent just happened to roll poorly with them.

However, the DK's do have a weakness and that is they can be tarpitted by the gribblies.

I would consider a mix of 2 psyflemans + 1 DK if you've got the spare points. Now with the new daemons, your DK (and your dreads) can insta-gib them with zest.

 Panzer1944 wrote:
Great reports and tournament rundown. Congrats on the top 10 finish even if it was short of your goal. Looking forward as always to your next battle.

Thanks!

 SabrX wrote:
Congrats winning game #7. Small elite armies have it tough against your Nids.

Also, nice Post-Game/Tournament Analysis. Wow, last three opponents all being against GK armies? Crazy match ups!

Congrats placing 9ths and best Nid player. Awesome battle reports and good luck with the new Daemons.

Yeah, for them, probably my gants are a bigger headache than my big guys. They can usually take on the monsters, but they will get bogged down by the throw-away units. That's how I deal with enemy deathstars. What people need to realize is that 40k is almost a game of time management. Every turn you can make an enemy unit lose a turn of Movement is a turn that you am winning. You don't necessary have to kill your opponent. You just have to prevent/delay his attempt to reach the objectives (my strategy of Positional Dominance). In this regards, an army with numbers has the advantage against a "slow" army without.

Yeah, I wasn't expecting to play 3 GK armies in a row. I guess that goes to show that GK's are not the feared enemy that they once were under 5th Ed.

And congrats to you as well for placing 23rd(?) and almost taking best Tau. You were so close.....




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 Panzer1944 wrote:
So just out of curiosity there’s always a lot of back and forth about Forgeworld units in tournaments, and I might of missed a one but I don’t think I noticed any of your opponents fielding any, but did you feel any difference in the results because of it? I figure most of the people there would be fine with it since it was clearly stated that Forgeworld units where allowed but love to hear what some of the opinions where after the tournament. Were some units over powered, some people spammed certain units, or did they just bring more diversity to the armies their but still kept things relatively even so to speak.

Yeah, I didn't play against any Forgeworld, which was kind of a shame. I did want to play against them.

However, my philosophy on FW remains the same after the tournament as they were before the tournament, and that is this.....bring it on! My TAC armies should be able to handle Forgeworld or any other TAC armies (unless they tailor against my bugs). So I don't care if you bring Forgeworld or a bunch of grots....I just say, bring it on.

In terms of the tournament, yeah, I think FW had somewhat of an effect. People still brought flyers, but the Necron Airforce was quiet for the most part. I think it kept the extreme necron armies away and forced people to bring a more rounded army...which is actually a good thing!

 Julnlecs wrote:
On your game 5, only scoring and denial units can score linebreaker which the stormraven is none of those so you should have won the game.

 Kingsley wrote:

The Stormraven is scoring in this scenario thanks to The Scouring. Remember that Grey Knight Stormravens are Fast Attack...

Thanks for the reply, Kingsley.

Not only are the ravens scoring...but according to the BAO FAQ's, scoring vehicles can also deny!

 Shandara wrote:
Really enjoyed this series, congratulations on a good result!

Thanks! I myself was surprised at my good results as well.

I do enjoy your reports, they are both fun and informative.

I must admit I was spot on with my judgement of you ending up top 10

This was one fantastic series of reports.

I suppose we can't bribe you to play test the new Tau coming in April/May

 jy2 wrote:

 SabrX wrote:
Congrats winning game #7. Small elite armies have it tough against your Nids.

Also, nice Post-Game/Tournament Analysis. Wow, last three opponents all being against GK armies? Crazy match ups!

Congrats placing 9ths and best Nid player. Awesome battle reports and good luck with the new Daemons.

Yeah, for them, probably my gants are a bigger headache than my big guys. They can usually take on the monsters, but they will get bogged down by the throw-away units. That's how I deal with enemy deathstars. What people need to realize is that 40k is almost a game of time management. Every turn you can make an enemy unit lose a turn of Movement is a turn that you am winning. You don't necessary have to kill your opponent. You just have to prevent/delay his attempt to reach the objectives (my strategy of Positional Dominance). In this regards, an army with numbers has the advantage against a "slow" army without.

Yeah, I wasn't expecting to play 3 GK armies in a row. I guess that goes to show that GK's are not the feared enemy that they once were under 5th Ed.

And congrats to you as well for placing 23rd(?) and almost taking best Tau. You were so close.....

Yes, deathstars have a a few big weaknesses and that is a major one. When I play my eldar vs draigowing I just fly my jetbikes in front of them and they can't really do anything about it.

And SaberX, I am sorry now I quit my last game. I was playing the top Tau player and I could not take it anymore and so I gave the game to him. I was going to win that game easily because I was going to kill his troops (he only had 3x6 Fire Warriors+3 Eldar jetbikes) and he had no answer for paladins, but it was an unpleasant game and so I gave up. Now I am really upset, because the person who should have won didn't, and my opponent who did not earn it did.

 Blackmoor wrote:
I was playing the top Tau player and I could not take it anymore and so I gave the game to him. I was going to win that game easily because I was going to kill his troops (he only had 3x6 Fire Warriors+3 Eldar jetbikes) and he had no answer for paladins

Taudar with Tau being Primary? I run a cheap Shaso with 2+ armour and 2 shield drones with a fortune farseer and 9 man Harlie squad to try to counter death stars. Runs around460-560 points or so. Guessing he didn't have any harlies? What was he running?

Haven't figured out a good counter for Vendetta or Scyth spam, (Darth Diggler suggested going Eldar as primary) though the rumors about broadsides look to address that.

 Blackmoor wrote:

 jy2 wrote:

 SabrX wrote:
Congrats winning game #7. Small elite armies have it tough against your Nids.

Also, nice Post-Game/Tournament Analysis. Wow, last three opponents all being against GK armies? Crazy match ups!

Congrats placing 9ths and best Nid player. Awesome battle reports and good luck with the new Daemons.

Yeah, for them, probably my gants are a bigger headache than my big guys. They can usually take on the monsters, but they will get bogged down by the throw-away units. That's how I deal with enemy deathstars. What people need to realize is that 40k is almost a game of time management. Every turn you can make an enemy unit lose a turn of Movement is a turn that you am winning. You don't necessary have to kill your opponent. You just have to prevent/delay his attempt to reach the objectives (my strategy of Positional Dominance). In this regards, an army with numbers has the advantage against a "slow" army without.

Yeah, I wasn't expecting to play 3 GK armies in a row. I guess that goes to show that GK's are not the feared enemy that they once were under 5th Ed.

And congrats to you as well for placing 23rd(?) and almost taking best Tau. You were so close.....

Yes, deathstars have a a few big weaknesses and that is a major one. When I play my eldar vs draigowing I just fly my jetbikes in front of them and they can't really do anything about it.

And SaberX, I am sorry now I quit my last game. I was playing the top Tau player and I could not take it anymore and so I gave the game to him. I was going to win that game easily because I was going to kill his troops (he only had 3x6 Fire Warriors+3 Eldar jetbikes) and he had no answer for paladins, but it was an unpleasant game and so I gave up. Now I am really upset, because the person who should have won didn't, and my opponent who did not earn it did.

WWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGHHHHH!!!!!!

Whew, now that's out of my system. I don't really care about any fancy smansy award or $50 gift voucher from frontline gaming. I'll still purchase from them regardless. They really do offer great discounts.

I'm just glad you came out and told me the truth. I feel vindicated after learning my army was truly the best Tau build at the tournament. Thanks for telling me!

After talking to you at the tournament, it sounded like you had a rough time in your matches. When I experience a losing streak (which I seldom do against Jy2) or the dice gods have forsaken me (happens quite a lot), I always remind myself it's just a game and the point of the game is to have fun. I've talked to a couple of players who've conceded. Their reason is because they knew they weren't having fun and if the game stretched on, their experience will grow worst. Not only will it affect them, but it will also affect their opponents. It's not fun playing against an opponent who is sour and hard to deal with over multiple turns. It's OK to concede if you aren't having fun.

Fikol wrote:
I do enjoy your reports, they are both fun and informative.

I must admit I was spot on with my judgement of you ending up top 10

Good prediction. I admit that I was off on my prediction. I was looking for a Top 5 finish and had I won my game #5 (the one where I should have won), I actually had a very good chance to get there. Oh well...next year.

 ImotekhTheStormlord wrote:
This was one fantastic series of reports.

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed them.

 wyomingfox wrote:
I suppose we can't bribe you to play test the new Tau coming in April/May

Oh, you betcha. Tau is actually an army I am very interested in. As a matter of fact, if I were to start another army, it would be Tau. SabrX has a sizeable Tau army (with 12 suits and 9 broadsides!) and he said that I could use it anytime. When the new Tau comes out, you bet I'm going to take him up on his offer.

 Blackmoor wrote:

Yes, deathstars have a a few big weaknesses and that is a major one. When I play my eldar vs draigowing I just fly my jetbikes in front of them and they can't really do anything about it.

And SaberX, I am sorry now I quit my last game. I was playing the top Tau player and I could not take it anymore and so I gave the game to him. I was going to win that game easily because I was going to kill his troops (he only had 3x6 Fire Warriors+3 Eldar jetbikes) and he had no answer for paladins, but it was an unpleasant game and so I gave up. Now I am really upset, because the person who should have won didn't, and my opponent who did not earn it did.

Actually, your opponent wasn't the top Tau player and he did not win Best Tau. Even after you conceded, he only ended up 4-2-1. There was another Tau player who also went 5-2 and beat SabrX by ONLY 1 BATTLE POINT!





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 wyomingfox wrote:

 Blackmoor wrote:
I was playing the top Tau player and I could not take it anymore and so I gave the game to him. I was going to win that game easily because I was going to kill his troops (he only had 3x6 Fire Warriors+3 Eldar jetbikes) and he had no answer for paladins

Taudar with Tau being Primary? I run a cheap Shaso with 2+ armour and 2 shield drones with a fortune farseer and 9 man Harlie squad to try to counter death stars. Runs around460-560 points or so. Guessing he didn't have any harlies? What was he running?

Haven't figured out a good counter for Vendetta or Scyth spam, (Darth Diggler suggested going Eldar as primary) though the rumors about broadsides look to address that.

Blackmoor's opponent did run Taudar. His allies included Fuegan on a quad-gun and 1 unit of 3 guardian jetbikes. I believe that was it.

Deathrain suits and broadsides can do ok against flyers. All those twin-linked shots will eventually kill something. However, what you have to watch out for are the ground forces as well. In an army like my necrons, my 12 wraiths with D-lords are probably the higher priority targets than my flyers.

BTW, if I do run Tau with allies, it would be Torks as well. I really like that combo.

 SabrX wrote:

After talking to you at the tournament, it sounded like you had a rough time in your matches. When I experience a losing streak (which I seldom do against Jy2) or the dice gods have forsaken me (happens quite a lot),....

Ahem....this caught my attention.

"seldom"?

Thanks for a thouroughly enjoyable thread and read, pics, analysis, effort and commentary were brilliant.
Hope you had a good time at the tourney

How did you find the Biovores performed overall?
I personnally like them as units.
Also how did the 2 Flyrants do overall in your opinon?
Did they stand up against the other flyers / were worth their points costs?

BTW is there somewhere to view the overall standings and results?

Perhaps the first post of the tournament's enormous thread in the Tournaments forum?
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/491593.page

Ok Manna, not all of us visit every subforum - thanks for the link but no need to "perhaps" and "enormous" it.....as I said, some of us view certain subforums and some others view others.

Thank you for the link anyway

sorry, I'm being an overly defensive boozehound

#hugs

 jy2 wrote:

 wyomingfox wrote:
I suppose we can't bribe you to play test the new Tau coming in April/May

Oh, you betcha. Tau is actually an army I am very interested in. As a matter of fact, if I were to start another army, it would be Tau. SabrX has a sizeable Tau army (with 12 suits and 9 broadsides!) and he said that I could use it anytime. When the new Tau comes out, you bet I'm going to take him up on his offer.

I actually have 17 Crisis Suits, which can easily be converted to Broadsides just by switching weapons. I also have 2 actual Broadside models. Feel free to borrow my models once the new codex comes out.

 Blackmoor wrote:

Yes, deathstars have a a few big weaknesses and that is a major one. When I play my eldar vs draigowing I just fly my jetbikes in front of them and they can't really do anything about it.

And SaberX, I am sorry now I quit my last game. I was playing the top Tau player and I could not take it anymore and so I gave the game to him. I was going to win that game easily because I was going to kill his troops (he only had 3x6 Fire Warriors+3 Eldar jetbikes) and he had no answer for paladins, but it was an unpleasant game and so I gave up. Now I am really upset, because the person who should have won didn't, and my opponent who did not earn it did.

Actually, your opponent wasn't the top Tau player and he did not win Best Tau. Even after you conceded, he only ended up 4-2-1. There was another Tau player who also went 5-2 and beat SabrX by ONLY 1 BATTLE POINT!

Aww shucks. Now I'm curious what the other Tau player fielded.

I could have actually scored more points in my last game, but my opponent wanted to end it 20mins early.

 SabrX wrote:

After talking to you at the tournament, it sounded like you had a rough time in your matches. When I experience a losing streak (which I seldom do against Jy2) or the dice gods have forsaken me (happens quite a lot),....

Ahem....this caught my attention.

"seldom"?

woops, brain fart. Sleep deprivation catching up to me. I meant to say often. I often do have losing streaks against you Jy2.

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
JY2 is Asian... who knew?

It is hard to tell because he is bad at math

 Ratius wrote:
Ok Manna, not all of us visit every subforum - thanks for the link but no need to "perhaps" and "enormous" it.....as I said, some of us view certain subforums and some others view others.

Thank you for the link anyway

sorry, I'm being an overly defensive boozehound

#hugs

Sorry if I wasn't as friendly as I could have been. Slainte! (from an O'Brien on my mother's side)

Great reports and congratulations on your results and placing, Jy2.

The entire thread was a pleasure to read, thanks for taking the time to do it. Congrats.

Sorry for the little bit of offtopic but im just amazed about power of the internet. Here I sit in Central Europe and I can share experience and have lots of info almost life across the globe.... :-) beautilful to be able to "participate" somehow. Thx! :-)

Dakka has been around for nearly a decade, and so has the internet.

Maybe not... in Poland?

I remember coming here for my international Warhammer fix when I was a wee lad of thirteen, and now back in the game fourteen years later, it was my first port of call!

First off: Congrats JY2 on the solid outing. I seriously miss my nid army and will eventually pick them up again.

Unrelated to your actual game:
How did two flyrants get downed by one shooting attack? Fliers cant be hit by tesla or anything for that matter that auto hits.

 Tomb King wrote:
Unrelated to your actual game:
How did two flyrants get downed by one shooting attack? Fliers cant be hit by tesla or anything for that matter that auto hits.

I assume you're referring to my anecdote.

The TO ruled that Tesla Arcs could hit Flyers.

 Ratius wrote:
Thanks for a thouroughly enjoyable thread and read, pics, analysis, effort and commentary were brilliant.
Hope you had a good time at the tourney

How did you find the Biovores performed overall?
I personnally like them as units.
Also how did the 2 Flyrants do overall in your opinon?
Did they stand up against the other flyers / were worth their points costs?

BTW is there somewhere to view the overall standings and results?

Yeah, I had a great time at the tourney. Great games all against great guys. There wasn't any bad games or real arguments. You can't really ask for much more, especially in a 7-game series and when you are playing at the upper tables.

Biovores did well. There were more games when they did well than when they did poorly (which was mainly only Game #1). Overall, they are worth it and consistently produce.

Flyrants are boss. After going dual flyrants, I can't go back to Swarmlord+flyrant. Mobility is so crucial in this game. Moreover, the flyrants are my main source of anti-air. I would not have been able to do as well as I did if not for my flyrants.

As Mannahnim already pointed out the BAO Results link, I won't link it again.

 SabrX wrote:

I actually have 17 Crisis Suits, which can easily be converted to Broadsides just by switching weapons. I also have 2 actual Broadside models. Feel free to borrow my models once the new codex comes out.

Cool. I'm excited about their upcoming codex. After giving your army a go, I may just start another army if I like them.

 SabrX wrote:

After talking to you at the tournament, it sounded like you had a rough time in your matches. When I experience a losing streak (which I seldom do against Jy2) or the dice gods have forsaken me (happens quite a lot),....

Ahem....this caught my attention.

"seldom"?

woops, brain fart. Sleep deprivation catching up to me. I meant to say often. I often do have losing streaks against you Jy2.

No worries. I thought that's what you meant.

 Blackmoor wrote:

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
JY2 is Asian... who knew?

It is hard to tell because he is bad at math

Lol. I can do math....as long as it doesn't go pass my 10 fingers.

 Just Dave wrote:
Great reports and congratulations on your results and placing, Jy2.

The entire thread was a pleasure to read, thanks for taking the time to do it. Congrats.

My pleasure and don't worry, you'll see more.

The next big GT you'll probably see me in (and hence, my battle reports) is when I defend my title at the Golden Throne GT.

Fikol wrote:
Sorry for the little bit of offtopic but im just amazed about power of the internet. Here I sit in Central Europe and I can share experience and have lots of info almost life across the globe.... :-) beautilful to be able to "participate" somehow. Thx! :-)

Yeah, it's really cool. Now we aren't stuck in our own little world anymore. 40K is international!

 Tomb King wrote:
First off: Congrats JY2 on the solid outing. I seriously miss my nid army and will eventually pick them up again. Very well done.

Unrelated to your actual game:
How did two flyrants get downed by one shooting attack? Fliers cant be hit by tesla or anything for that matter that auto hits.

Thanks! And congrats to you at the Indy Open as well.

Nids are pretty fun in 6th, especially now that they are winning again. The only downside is that the variety in competitive tyranid builds have decreased. Gone now in competitive play are the genestealer-rush nids and the all-reserves tyranids (this one I miss in particular).

I was slightly confused by your 2nd question, as it didn't happen in any of my games, but I guess Rigeld2 clarified it for us.

I just realized something....

If not for that 1 silly mistake in my game #5 (not checking for Linebreaker for the win instead of the draw), I would have ended up 3rd overall. Doh!!!!

 jy2 wrote:
I just realized something....

If not for that 1 silly mistake in my game #5 (not checking for Linebreaker for the win instead of the draw), I would have ended up 3rd overall. Doh!!!!

On top of that if you had sorted out your first game, what would have happened there?

Eldercaveman wrote:

 jy2 wrote:
I just realized something....

If not for that 1 silly mistake in my game #5 (not checking for Linebreaker for the win instead of the draw), I would have ended up 3rd overall. Doh!!!!

On top of that if you had sorted out your first game, what would have happened there?

That would be a little harder to say. Had I won my first game, probably all my opponents would have been different then.

Wow jy2, excellent job at the tourney!

I have been a frequent reader of your batreps, and I must say that you do an amazing job!

Thanks for all the effort you put in to them, and once again, congratulations!

 Shas'O...Crap wrote:
Wow jy2, excellent job at the tourney!

I have been a frequent reader of your batreps, and I must say that you do an amazing job!

Thanks for all the effort you put in to them, and once again, congratulations!

Sorry for the late response, but thanks!

My only regret is that I didn't get to face and kill any Forgeworld stuff.

And I have almost as much fun writing the reports as I do playing the games. My effort was an enjoyable one.

I say the nid list. Those flyrants are just so hard to deal with unless they have DE kabalites with splinter racks. Also the tervigons spawning all of those gants (hopefully) will be pretty essential.

BaconUprising wrote:
I say the nid list. Those flyrants are just so hard to deal with unless they have DE kabalites with splinter racks. Also the tervigons spawning all of those gants (hopefully) will be pretty essential.

You're a little late... on the plus side you have lots of cool battle reports to read!