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Also, it's Fenris. As in the mythological creature.

There are actually wolves in the area where I live (well not literally, I live in a town, but on countryside nearby) and some people are scared of them. However, last time a wolf killed a human in Finland was in 19th century.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
It is, Mr Morden. It is.

The wolves were brought up in the context of a man going out and beating one to death with his bare hands to prove his big and tough he was.

IIRC its part of becoming a Knight of the White Wolf in Warhammer Fantasy

 Melissia wrote:
Also, it's Fenris. As in the mythological creature.

Thanks, I'll have to work to forget this

anyway, if a chick trained a lot and had a nice set of muscles then a wolf would not give her much trouble (just some lovely bitemarks)

Hell if you want to impress me, go kill a bear with a sharp rock (or sword) those things steal food from wolves all the time, and they have a lot more poky bits...

 Crimson wrote:
There are actually wolves in the area where I live (well not literally, I live in a town, but on countryside nearby) and some people are scared of them. However, last time a wolf killed a human in Finland was in 19th century.

The one that amused me was the story of an American woman who moved to the UK and refused to let her children play outside because she was scared of foxes attacking them. Apparently, where she used to live that was a problem with coyotes and she thought they were the same.

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 Furyou Miko wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
There are actually wolves in the area where I live (well not literally, I live in a town, but on countryside nearby) and some people are scared of them. However, last time a wolf killed a human in Finland was in 19th century.

The one that amused me was the story of an American woman who moved to the UK and refused to let her children play outside because she was scared of foxes attacking them. Apparently, where she used to live that was a problem with coyotes and she thought they were the same.

A guy got bitten by a coyote near my place a couple of months back. It is a problem, they get fed a lot by well meaning folks and then learn to associate humans with food. (according to this nice Parks Canada "Bear Aware" brochure)

I'm not denying that coyotes are a problem. It's just that foxes are about a third the size and nobody feeds them anything - they're basically harmless unless you're actively persecuting them.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
I'm not denying that coyotes are a problem. It's just that foxes are about a third the size and nobody feeds them anything - they're basically harmless unless you're actively persecuting them.

Yeah I like foxes - theres even a place (in Russia) that sells them as pets... (no I didn't, the cats are wild enough thank you)

but back to the original topic (for now) GW needs to make more female models with a different sculptor, like Brother Vinnie or someone else who can do nice feminine faces. (Because the slutty outfit, boob plate and "natural assets" can be overridden by an ugly mug - just look at any of GW's girls and you'll see what I mean.)

I thought the DE were done well, myself. They made sense for the army, and weren't supposed to be a well-armored, professional army.

I'm quite happy with the Dark Eldar sculpts. I just wish they'd update the Sisters ones. The Celestian Standard Bearer hasn't been updated since 1997 when it was just a Sororitas Banner Bearer and still looks like Sean Connery's uglier brother.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
I'm quite happy with the Dark Eldar sculpts. I just wish they'd update the Sisters ones. The Celestian Standard Bearer hasn't been updated since 1997 when it was just a Sororitas Banner Bearer and still looks like Sean Connery's uglier brother.

You're right about the Dark Eldar - they look the part, but everyone else (especially SOB) could use some work to make them a little bit more feminine - Boob armor means nothing, its all in the face.

Actually I think I'd prefer seomething more knightly myself. a single pronounced curve over the chest instead of two cups would be better ,and it'd give more room to put a fleur de lys icon.

 Melissia wrote:
Actually I think I'd prefer seomething more knightly myself. a single pronounced curve over the chest instead of two cups would be better ,and it'd give more room to put a fleur de lys icon.

That would be nice

It would go a lot better with the look GW is going for...

The SOB always reminded me of 19th century take of Jean of Arc.




And her flag, is it just me or is that something the SOB would use.




All this and not a tin plated booby in sight...

Yes, I think that'd look great. Could even keep the old version as an older model of power armor.

That picture reminds me of an amusing story..

We were smashed in a youth hostel in Milan, and everyone was watching the Joan of Arc movie in the common room. I was only half cut so I was watching it as well, and when it got to the particularly emotional and teary eyed part as she is being burned at the stake, my stupidest and drunkest companion who had been asleep for an hour suddenly woke up, loudly squeaked his stool across the hardwood floor, lurched to his feet and started to shout.

"DO YOU SEE.. hic.. WHAT YOU GET!? THAT'S WHAT YOU GET..hic!.. WHEN YOU feth WITH US!! ENGLAND! ENGLAND!"

At which point a British girl across the room shouted..

"Were in Italy you stupid bastard!"

Lynata wrote:One of the things the Space Marine videogame did well was Lieutenant Mira.

Totally agree. The IG codex says "that the birth rate and recruitment rate are synonymous". If interpreted literally, around half of Cadians should be women. Mira was great, she wasn't sexualised or made to look weak. She outlived her seniors and bascially saved the planet prior to the arrival of the smurfs.

Melissia wrote:Actually I think I'd prefer seomething more knightly myself. a single pronounced curve over the chest instead of two cups would be better ,and it'd give more room to put a fleur de lys icon.

I'm with you, people making boob armor looks wrong. A simple chest plate is far more realistic and i'd guess comfortable. Just looking at modern armies, the women wear pretty much identical armor to the men.

I think GW should mix female heads into the IG sets. Cadian at the least. I think a mixed squad would look great as long as they keep it sensible.

Mira proved that the universe can handle it!

Oh ,the armor women wear in modern times IS different-- but not in shape. Its harness is different, it doesn't rest entirely on the shoulders, which is necessary because a woman's shoulders are, generally speaking, shaped differently than a man's.

It's sometimes things that are really obvious in hindsight, too, simple things like female pilots need their jumpsuits to zip down further than male pilots so they don't have to take them off to urinate during a flight. Or some women just need smaller uniforms than the men.

But I don't think this is really an issue in the Imperium, this is not modern times we're talking about, but a civilization that has been at total war with SOMETHING for over 10,000 years.

Just chiming in to second the move towards chest plates rather than battle corsets.

I may love fetish fashion, but the realist in me screams when it's applied to soldiers.

 Melissia wrote:
Yes, I think that'd look great. Could even keep the old version as an older model of power armor.

Added to some decently sculpted faces and rapiers.



Would work towards the appearance of faith being the only thing on their side, besides its takes more skill to handle then the old chain-sword.

How, exactly, does that last sentence make any sense to you?

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Just chiming in to second the move towards chest plates rather than battle corsets.

I may love fetish fashion, but the realist in me screams when it's applied to soldiers.

I actually prefer SoB to be crazy fetish-nuns. IG guardswomen can have sensible armour.

 Melissia wrote:
How, exactly, does that last sentence make any sense to you?

I think he's trying to turn them into light and agile fighters because they're women. >>

 Crimson wrote:

I actually prefer SoB to be crazy fetish-nuns. IG guardswomen can have sensible armour.

Battle Sisters get into close combat more. Corsets restrict movement severely. Otherwise, whatever. :p

mad_eddy_13 wrote:The SOB always reminded me of 19th century take of Jean of Arc.

Well, their temple homeworld is San Leor ...

san le Or

Or le ans

Get it?

mad_eddy_13 wrote:Would work towards the appearance of faith being the only thing on their side, besides its takes more skill to handle then the old chain-sword.

With powered armour and the kind of weapons and protective gear employed on the battlefields of the 41st millennium, I think brute force will win out every time. The Sisters aren't exactly Eldar'ish when it comes to mobility and fighting style. Save for the Seraphim, perhaps.

No, when you really want to depict finesse - the Sisters do have mono cutlasses and power swords, too, and those tend to feature rather elaborate designs.


- source: Armageddon 3 Global Campaign website

Or the Ardent Blade as once wielded by Saint Katherine and now featured on the Living Saint miniature.

Once you start looking at chain weapons, it'd be ... weird not to have a huge fethin' chainsaw but some flimsy rod that looks as if it'd break apart the moment you strike some heretic's armour with it.

Crimson wrote:I actually prefer SoB to be crazy fetish-nuns. IG guardswomen can have sensible armour.

I concur. Maybe that's just because this is how I've come to know them, but they'd just feel "wrong" to me if they would lose any of the gothic style they have right now.
It'd be like giving Space Marines reduced chestplates so they would have sufficient arm mobility to be able to aim with their guns. Sure, it'd be more "realistic", but it would also start to look rather generic and boring.

How would they "lose" gothic style by going to gothic platemail instead of corset and power-armored brassiere?

I think this is one of those times when what people mean by 'gothic' clashes a little. I think Melissia is referring to Gothic as in the historical style, while Lynata is referring to Gothic as in the modern subculture...

 Melissia wrote:

 LumenPraebeo wrote:
I think I would like to see more female characters. But I also think that manly roles should be for males only. Gotta wrestle a daemon prince with your bare hands? Nope, gotta be male.

Keep in mind, this is a setting where Sisters of Battle are capable of performing miracles because their martial arts is better than yours.

I disagree.


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 Furyou Miko wrote:
As for killing wolves with your bare hands, why would you want to? That doesn't prove you're a big strong man. That proves you're an idiot who doesn't deserve to be human. Humans use tools. Even if you're caught out in the wilderness alone and some random lone wolf attacks you, grab a freaking branch, moron.

NO! Gotta do it manly way!


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 Furyou Miko wrote:
Just chiming in to second the move towards chest plates rather than battle corsets.

I may love fetish fashion, but the realist in me screams when it's applied to soldiers.

I disagree, I like it when women look feminine. In reality, armor that shows off a woman's form just for the sake of it is a pretty stupid idea.But this is just miniatures we're talking about, not reality.

 LumenPraebeo wrote:
I disagree.

It's in the codex.

It's true. The whole "it's a miracle" stuff basically stems from people not believing how an ordinary human could pull off the stuff the Sisters do.

Well, that and people like to believe in miracles. Mirrors the real world perfectly.

Furyou Miko wrote:I think this is one of those times when what people mean by 'gothic' clashes a little. I think Melissia is referring to Gothic as in the historical style, while Lynata is referring to Gothic as in the modern subculture...

Hmm, to me it's generally a bit of both, I think. But in this case, yeah, the modern subculture.
Which I believe 40k as a whole tends to lean more heavily to. At least when looking at people's clothes, the nobility's hairstyles, etc. Buildings (and starships) on the other hand look more like the historical Gothic, whereas the detail on weaponry can be attributed to both. Ultimately, 40k almost has its own artistic style by blending so many different things together... but I'd like to continue calling it Gothic rather than making up a new term.

To be fair, it doesn't really make sense as a "faith" thing if, at the end of the day, the miracles are a result of their sheer badassery.