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Saw this on Neogaf .... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1fAu3uBUIM

I was reading the comments some of the posters made and they sickened me, just because it is written in the law books with ink and a hand, people think the cop is a bad guy for stopping a man who was parading around with a gun (which is not illegal in the US). I really wish people would stop listening to the books sometimes and use common sense. If you were a cop and saw someone walking down the street with a gun, would you be concerned? The bad thing would be to ignore it.

Also the student was obviously a freshman who just got out of his first lecture on law. Really, he has betrayed the law for wasting an officers time when something more important could have been dealth with, now that we know he was just trying to prove his knowledge.

IMO walking around in public with a weapon is dangerous and should be treated as such, god damn 2nd Ammendment nuts.

Not sure what can be discussed in this thread, some of your comments seem flamebait-y man.

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You were saying?

I think it's utterly ridiculous that ya'll drive on the wrong side of the road.

He was fishing for it.
How was he walking with it? In his hand? I would be concerned if someone was walking around with a gun in their HAND and not in a holster. To me that is not self-defense, that is intimidation.

So what are most American Dakkas opinion on the subject, are most of you guys pro gun or anti gun?

Just wanted to state my opinion and see what other peoples thoughts on this area are.

Edit: He was walking around with it openly I believe.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
So what are most American Dakkas opinion on the subject, are most of you guys pro gun or anti gun?

Just wanted to state my opinion and see what other peoples thoughts on this area are.

Edit: He was walking around with it openly I believe.

If he was walking around brandishing it, then he's breaking the law in most places. You're allowed to carry it openly, but that doesn't usually mean in your hands, waving it around.

Ill say this, Law is very iffy when it comes to public matters.
Cops can indeed search you without your consent if they suspect you of committing a crime.

If he was fishing for it then he wasn't fishing for it anymore than OP is fishing for it.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
So what are most American Dakkas opinion on the subject, are most of you guys pro gun or anti gun?

Just wanted to state my opinion and see what other peoples thoughts on this area are.

Edit: He was walking around with it openly I believe.

If he was walking around brandishing it, then he's breaking the law in most places. You're allowed to carry it openly, but that doesn't usually mean in your hands, waving it around.

Why is it legal to carry a weapon in a certain way when it takes a couple of seconds to carry it in an illegal way?

Something similar recently in Charlottesville:
http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/article_42d81e6e-68d9-11e2-afbf-0019bb30f31a.html

An unidentified 22-year-old man carrying a loaded AR-15 semi-automatic rifle shortly after 5 p.m. Sunday was questioned and released by police at the Kroger at Hydraulic Road and Emmet Street.
Charlottesville police Lt. Ronnie Roberts said the man did not break any laws. Since he legally owned the rifle and it was not concealed, he was within his rights, Roberts said.
Virginia requires a permit to carry a concealed weapon, but has no such restriction on guns in plain view.
According to police, the man originally entered the store unarmed, then went back to his car and retrieved his rifle. He then walked back into the store briefly before leaving again.
Though he was not arrested, store managers barred him from the property, officials said.
Shopper Monica Green said she fled the store and called 911 after she saw the man. Green said she warned people in the parking lot not to enter the store.
"It's amazing because some people didn't want to believe it was true, they just stood there like sitting ducks," Green said. When she saw the man in was in custody, Green finished her shopping.
Roberts was not sure why the man was carrying a gun.
"It was most likely a demonstration of his Second Amendment rights," he said. "Open carry laws allow you to do that ... the difference here is he had an AR-15, which you can't conceal. You can do the same thing with a gun on your hip."

Why is it legal to drive a car one way when it takes just a few seconds to drive a car an illegal way?

We get it, you don't like our gun laws. They don't affect you and with your "god dammed 2nd amendment nuts" comment it is already pretty clear that you aren't interested in any kind of mature discussion.

 unmercifulconker wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
So what are most American Dakkas opinion on the subject, are most of you guys pro gun or anti gun?

Just wanted to state my opinion and see what other peoples thoughts on this area are.

Edit: He was walking around with it openly I believe.

If he was walking around brandishing it, then he's breaking the law in most places. You're allowed to carry it openly, but that doesn't usually mean in your hands, waving it around.

Why is it legal to carry a weapon in a certain way when it takes a couple of seconds to carry it in an illegal way?

Use common sense.

If it is being brandished it is much easier mount or sight the weapon on a target. If holstered or on a sling, it needs to be drawn/readied and possibly have the safety selected, and a round chambered.

 unmercifulconker wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
So what are most American Dakkas opinion on the subject, are most of you guys pro gun or anti gun?

Just wanted to state my opinion and see what other peoples thoughts on this area are.

Edit: He was walking around with it openly I believe.

If he was walking around brandishing it, then he's breaking the law in most places. You're allowed to carry it openly, but that doesn't usually mean in your hands, waving it around.

Why is it legal to carry a weapon in a certain way when it takes a couple of seconds to carry it in an illegal way?

Because there is a vast difference between a gun in my hand, and one that is secured into a holster. If you can see it or not doesn't matter, if I'm brandishing a gun in my hand, I can lift it and start popping off rounds...

Oh good, we needed one of these this week.

I think it's silly to be judgemental about a society that you don't live in. I don't make assumptions about much of Europe and I've spent a fair amount of time traveling around it.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
just because it is written in the law books with ink and a hand, people think the cop is a bad guy for stopping a man who was parading around with a gun (which is not illegal in the US)

Not a bad guy, just someone who is supposed to represent the law but disregard it when it's convenient/safer for him. The encounter would probably have been less confrontational if he hadn't started by seizing the gun.

Ah. Another 'you colonial heathens' thread.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Oh good, we needed one of these this week.

I think it's silly to be judgemental about a society that you don't live in. I don't make assumptions about much of Europe and I've spent a fair amount of time traveling around it.

While the OP was flame-baiting on a beat to death topic stunts like this only further the anti-gun agenda. Brandishing controversial weapons in public areas trying to get a response is not the way to get your point across in a rational manner. It just feeds into fears about gun nuts.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Saw this on Neogaf .... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1fAu3uBUIM

I was reading the comments some of the posters made and they sickened me, just because it is written in the law books with ink and a hand, people think the cop is a bad guy for stopping a man who was parading around with a gun (which is not illegal in the US). I really wish people would stop listening to the books sometimes and use common sense. If you were a cop and saw someone walking down the street with a gun, would you be concerned? The bad thing would be to ignore it.

Also the student was obviously a freshman who just got out of his first lecture on law. Really, he has betrayed the law for wasting an officers time when something more important could have been dealth with, now that we know he was just trying to prove his knowledge.

IMO walking around in public with a weapon is dangerous and should be treated as such, god damn 2nd Ammendment nuts.

Your post writes like a trolly thread where someone like me would call you a nattering nabob scum sucking fascist for trying to abridge our rights. I'm sure you didn't mean it that wayand I would never call you a nattering nabob or even an old bald headed bastard like mom would lovingly call dad, because that would be inappropriate on this forum or this thread. I mean if we went around calling people we thought trolls nattering nabobs -even though they richly deserved it - it would be rude. Further, it mmight summon the ghost of Dick Nixon. Having said that we could really use tricky Dick right now.

Context is everything isn't it.
1. In the country it used to be damn common to see people wandering around with long guns and pistols.
2. When I was growing up there were no pickups that didn't have a shotgun or rifle (especially cheap lever actions). Its compeltely legal. As best I can tell this only started stopping when they started getting stolen en masse. You still see it in the country though.
3. Someone walking into the local grocery with a long gun would garner my attention. That would be out of place and might get a lethal response right off the bat.

Oh by the way you're completely wrong on the law in your first section. In some jurisdictions OC is legal (I think a majority actually) but not all.


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ill say this, Law is very iffy when it comes to public matters.
Cops can indeed search you without your consent if they suspect you of committing a crime.

Has to be reasonable though. In an OC state just OCing is not grounds for reasonable suspicion.
Mind you I've had this fight many times on the gun boards. I don't like guys strutting just to start a confrontation to "express their Second Amendment Rights" unless its a normal march/gathering type of event.


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 unmercifulconker wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
So what are most American Dakkas opinion on the subject, are most of you guys pro gun or anti gun?

Just wanted to state my opinion and see what other peoples thoughts on this area are.

Edit: He was walking around with it openly I believe.

If he was walking around brandishing it, then he's breaking the law in most places. You're allowed to carry it openly, but that doesn't usually mean in your hands, waving it around.

Why is it legal to carry a weapon in a certain way when it takes a couple of seconds to carry it in an illegal way?

Why does Obama want to ban a long gun that has a pistol grip when the identical long gun without a pistl grip is just fine?
Zed's dead baby. Zed's dead.

I get that it's legal to carry guns, but presumably this guy was carrying it in a way to make it incredibly obvious/attract attention to himself?

So if it's legal to carry guns, whats the concealed carry permit I've heard about? Does that mean you can show that you are carrying normally, but you can't hide the weapon upon your person unless you have a permit?

I'm not judging, just genuinely curious.

What a shame a policeman didn't infringe on the rights of a young man headed to the Sandy Hook school.

We might not have parents putting 20 tiny coffins in the ground.

 Manchu wrote:
Something similar recently in Charlottesville:
http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/article_42d81e6e-68d9-11e2-afbf-0019bb30f31a.html

An unidentified 22-year-old man carrying a loaded AR-15 semi-automatic rifle shortly after 5 p.m. Sunday was questioned and released by police at the Kroger at Hydraulic Road and Emmet Street.
Charlottesville police Lt. Ronnie Roberts said the man did not break any laws. Since he legally owned the rifle and it was not concealed, he was within his rights, Roberts said.
Virginia requires a permit to carry a concealed weapon, but has no such restriction on guns in plain view.
According to police, the man originally entered the store unarmed, then went back to his car and retrieved his rifle. He then walked back into the store briefly before leaving again.
Though he was not arrested, store managers barred him from the property, officials said.
Shopper Monica Green said she fled the store and called 911 after she saw the man. Green said she warned people in the parking lot not to enter the store.
"It's amazing because some people didn't want to believe it was true, they just stood there like sitting ducks," Green said. When she saw the man in was in custody, Green finished her shopping.
Roberts was not sure why the man was carrying a gun.
"It was most likely a demonstration of his Second Amendment rights," he said. "Open carry laws allow you to do that ... the difference here is he had an AR-15, which you can't conceal. You can do the same thing with a gun on your hip."

See here's the problem with this type of thing (and a larger article says he was arguing he was protesting. I think he was just causing a ruckus).
I'm in line with the missus. See guy walk in with rifle (it was a tacticool rifle - I've read about this event). If he walks in with arms slung then wife and I are on alert and will bail with all safeties off if you catch. If he walks into a grocery with a rifle in his hands then I could see the scenario where I try to drop him on pure reaction.

Sporting goods store-no problem. Grocery - big problem. Its all context.


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 gunslingerpro wrote:
Ah. Another 'you colonial heathens' thread.

I'm ok with being a colonial heathen. Of course, this is Texas and that would be Spanish colonial heathen!


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 DutchKillsRambo wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Oh good, we needed one of these this week.

I think it's silly to be judgemental about a society that you don't live in. I don't make assumptions about much of Europe and I've spent a fair amount of time traveling around it.

While the OP was flame-baiting on a beat to death topic stunts like this only further the anti-gun agenda. Brandishing controversial weapons in public areas trying to get a response is not the way to get your point across in a rational manner. It just feeds into fears about gun nuts.

Agreed.

Hmm I seem to have angered a lot of Americans but why wouldnt you want this law changed? Are you happy with people walking around with guns in public, its true I dont know much about your society but I feel like I can criticise carrying weapons in public but yes I agree context is the most important thing to consider.


Edit: I should rather ask do people in America carry guns in public often? Is this why it is not seen with concern in America?

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Hmm I seem to have angered a lot of Americans but why wouldnt you want this law changed? Are you happy with people walking around with guns in public, its true I dont know much about your society but I feel like I can criticise carrying weapons in public but yes I agree context is the most important thing to consider.

Its more like you're beating to death a topic thats already been covered 2 dozen times in the last month. That and your overly antagonistic demeanor.

 Medium of Death wrote:
I get that it's legal to carry guns, but presumably this guy was carrying it in a way to make it incredibly obvious/attract attention to himself?

So if it's legal to carry guns, whats the concealed carry permit I've heard about? Does that mean you can show that you are carrying normally, but you can't hide the weapon upon your person unless you have a permit?

I'm not judging, just genuinely curious.

The conceal carry permit allows you to conceal a firearm on your person. Without this, you are restricted to keeping it outside of clothing / visible to people.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
What a shame a policeman didn't infringe on the rights of a young man headed to the Sandy Hook school.

We might not have parents putting 20 tiny coffins in the ground.

Ok, so the Brit expat is for random abridgement of rights. Any more rights you're ok with randomly abridging? Howabout Big Mamma randomly putting you in jail for what you say on the internet without trial?


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 Medium of Death wrote:
I get that it's legal to carry guns, but presumably this guy was carrying it in a way to make it incredibly obvious/attract attention to himself?

So if it's legal to carry guns, whats the concealed carry permit I've heard about? Does that mean you can show that you are carrying normally, but you can't hide the weapon upon your person unless you have a permit?

I'm not judging, just genuinely curious.

Some states have both. It used to be more difficult to have a CHL then an OC, as it was viewed as underhanded. Later the CHL was viewed as more civilized and less confrontational.

Again its context. Most OC you see (legally) is in rural areas.


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 unmercifulconker wrote:
Hmm I seem to have angered a lot of Americans but why wouldnt you want this law changed? Are you happy with people walking around with guns in public, its true I dont know much about your society but I feel like I can criticise carrying weapons in public but yes I agree context is the most important thing to consider.


Edit: I should rather ask do people in America carry guns in public often? Is this why it is not seen with concern in America?

We have something called the Bill of Rights. You might have heard of it. Its one of the reasons we killed so many of you in two wars.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
What a shame a policeman didn't infringe on the rights of a young man headed to the Sandy Hook school.

We might not have parents putting 20 tiny coffins in the ground.

Not quite sure what you're saying here?

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Hmm I seem to have angered a lot of Americans but why wouldnt you want this law changed? Are you happy with people walking around with guns in public, its true I dont know much about your society but I feel like I can criticise carrying weapons in public but yes I agree context is the most important thing to consider.


Edit: I should rather ask do people in America carry guns in public often? Is this why it is not seen with concern in America?

I thought I answered that. Its a rural thing, except for the occasional who wants to be a .

Well I guess you would have to call me a Facist Frazzled because in my opinion gun laws should be changed but thats why its called an opinion.

Rather than hearing peoples (preferably from Americans) opinions around gun laws, most responses have been about 'beating this topic to death' or calling this a trolly thread so it seems we cant have a mature conversation so might aswell delete this thread.

 Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
What a shame a policeman didn't infringe on the rights of a young man headed to the Sandy Hook school.

We might not have parents putting 20 tiny coffins in the ground.

Not quite sure what you're saying here?

I think he must have some kind of Minority Report scenario in mind?

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Well I guess you would have to call me a Facist Frazzled because in my opinion gun laws should be changed but thats why its called an opinion.

Rather than hearing peoples (preferably from Americans) opinions around gun laws, most responses have been about 'beating this topic to death' or calling this a trolly thread so it seems we cant have a mature conversation so might aswell delete this thread.

How about this.

Would you ever consider changing your views on gun control to match some of those who are opposite of you?