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Are Women Morally Superior?

I bring this question because of gender discrepancies in the US's incarceration rates, sentencing, health care and what could be viewed as a gender bais in some clinical terminology.

At some point, I'll post the numbers if someone doesn't beat me to it.

As to the terminology:

The definitions for sexism, sexist and the clinical term "Above and Below" are often argued as applying to discimination against women only. While I find such arguments....inaccurate, I've heard such enough to ask the second question.
Does anyone feel that men can not be disriminated against solely based upon their sex?


Time is short so I gotta go.
Later,
ff

Are you one of those Men's Rights people?

Women can be sexist to men, whether or not it is sexism to the government, public etc is a different story really, but yes, logically and theoretically speaking they can be.

Society favours women in some areas in an attempt not to be sexist. Which is ironic. If we had true equality it would be fine, the problem is that true equality should be blind to gender and based on ability.

Maybe they're less women in jail because there's less that get caught...

My wife says yes.

This question requires my standard answer when it is about women being 'strong'. So, here it goes:

Women can't grow beards. So nope.

The original question is about morality, not sexism or equality or anything. Pretty fething quickly off-topic there.

Anyway, I do think women are more moral than men, though I don't know about "morally superior", since that depends on how important you think that morals are in the first place. Certainly women play a crucial role in imparting morality on developing children, and the increased participation of women in the workforce is what has caused a decline in morality in recent years.

Though it's important to know when to be moral and when to break the rules. I think in the modern age we get quite hung up over the universality of things.

Women get 30% less prison time than men for the same offense.

Of course they're not. They're every bit as prone to being scum as men, it just tends to manifest in different ways. While scum of both genders is aggressive, unstable, and generally dissolute, the specific motivations with each of those varies, as does the way it gets carried out. With males, for instance, aggression gets carried out through violence more often than not, while in females it takes a more manipulative form (or in the more insane cases, physical attacks seeking to injure the target's status, whether by inflicting damage to their person or to some valuable property). The male would more likely turn to (violent) crime if deprived of money, while the female would latch onto a male, or turn to prostitution (contrast both with the moral, controlled individual who instead just gets a job).

No, I don’t believe women are ‘morally superior’ in fact I find the idea that women are delicate angelic beings who can do no wrong to be rather Victorian and quaint. It’s rather odd lots of women’s rights/feminist types seem to keen to embrace it when it’s really the opposite of what they should stand for.

Due to generally lacking the physical strength of men I understand that their potential maliciousness may well manifest itself in different ways, but it’s still there. I know too many divorced couples to think that woman are not capable of being devious and spiteful.

No, and I think it's a ridiculous idea.

My wife used to work as a counselor for high school girls.

The answer is: no.

 Captain Avatar wrote:
Are Women Morally Superior?

Milgram says no.

Look up Karla Homolka one of my recent favorites:

 Captain Avatar wrote:
Are Women Morally Superior?

I bring this question because of gender discrepancies in the US's incarceration rates, sentencing, health care and what could be viewed as a gender bais in some clinical terminology.

At some point, I'll post the numbers if someone doesn't beat me to it.

As to the terminology:

The definitions for sexism, sexist and the clinical term "Above and Below" are often argued as applying to discimination against women only. While I find such arguments....inaccurate, I've heard such enough to ask the second question.
Does anyone feel that men can not be disriminated against solely based upon their sex?


Time is short so I gotta go.
Later,
ff

My wife tells me they are. I'm sure thats the case and would never type this under duress. Really, I mean it. SHe's not standing behind me watching me type or anything.

Not inherently no. I think there is probably sufficient evidence to say that men are on average, probably predisposed to be more likely to be risk takers. Combine that with some of the relatively toxic aspects of what is traditionally presented as masculinity and you've got a recipe for trouble.

Certainly I think our current cultural climate is far more likely to turn out men that are kind of awful people than women, but I hardly think that it's a basic difference between the sexes. Obviously even that doesn't stop there from being a non-trivial number of women who are just plain terrible people.

I think that on a whole, women are not morally superior to men, but I feel that with the changes in the women's rights movement, the idea that men are useless, disgusting, rape mongering pigs (Read: The rise in misandry over the past 40 years) are starting to lead to the idea that men only think about sex with women, and that if we like a woman physically, we will take physical action against them if we could. This (in my mind) leads to the idea that women are not morally superior, but to create this image that men are morally inferior (which is essentially the same, but they are putting men down rather than trying to equalize everything).

Granted humanity as a whole has been putting down women for centuries, so they kind of have some ground. What really bugs me is when women are hateful towards men in today's day and age simply because we're men. I once got into an argument with a "friend" who was yelling at me because I was a straight, white man and never had to be worried about being raped or beaten because of my skin color, gender, or sexual orientation... The topic of conversation started when I made a comment about an older white gentleman being discriminated at a Barnes & Noble because he was in the children's section of the store by himself... He was picking up a bday gift for his grandson!


Let it be said, that misandry is just as pointless and stupid as misogyny, and that both men and women can equally shut up and get back to the kitchen to make me a sammich.

Men have more testosterone pumping through their veins. We do more stupid stuff. I'd say there's definitely some bias for a hot chick, but those are but a small percentage.

 thenoobbomb wrote:
This question requires my standard answer when it is about women being 'strong'. So, here it goes:

Women can't grow beards. So nope.

They can if they take enough hormones.

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
This question requires my standard answer when it is about women being 'strong'. So, here it goes:

Women can't grow beards. So nope.

They can if they take enough hormones.

Or just if their estrogen levels are too low... I've see a few older women that are post-menopause that have beards...

 Alfndrate wrote:
I think that on a whole, women are not morally superior to men, but I feel that with the changes in the women's rights movement, the idea that men are useless, disgusting, rape mongering pigs (Read: The rise in misandry over the past 40 years) are starting to lead to the idea that men only think about sex with women, and that if we like a woman physically, we will take physical action against them if we could.

I've never actually heard anyone espouse this idea in person. When I've seen it the media it's almost entirely been relegated to almost cartoonish fictional caricatures. In terms of the actual feminists I've seen maybe a handful of writers that would back the kind of thinking you're outlining here and they hardly have the widest acceptance

I'm not really sure where people are finding all these "feminists" or aspects of the "women's rights movement" that are putting forward the idea that men are rape-mongering pigs, or anything else that could be genuinely be called misandry. I've not been able to find many examples out in the wild save for some clear trolls commenting on social media, and some really fringe blogs.

No; women are simply demonised less.

We're probably more likely to do dumb/questionable things, but that's more of a risky behavior dealio than morals.

Their moral compass points in as many different directions as ours do. When you're really lucky, theirs is pointing at the same thing yours is!

"Hey, baby. My moral compass is pointing at dat ass, if you know what I mean!"

Chongara wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
I think that on a whole, women are not morally superior to men, but I feel that with the changes in the women's rights movement, the idea that men are useless, disgusting, rape mongering pigs (Read: The rise in misandry over the past 40 years) are starting to lead to the idea that men only think about sex with women, and that if we like a woman physically, we will take physical action against them if we could.

I've never actually heard anyone espouse this idea in person. When I've seen it the media it's almost entirely been relegated to almost cartoonish fictional caricatures. In terms of the actual feminists I've seen maybe a handful of writers that would back the kind of thinking you're outlining here and they hardly have the widest acceptance

I'm not really sure where people are finding all these "feminists" or aspects of the "women's rights movement" that are putting forward the idea that men are rape-mongering pigs, or anything else that could be genuinely be called misandry. I've not been able to find many examples out in the wild save for some clear trolls commenting on social media, and some really fringe blogs.

tumblr.com... search for misandry... You'll get plenty of people that are serious and not on the fringe of society...

There are people that feel that way, but they are certainly on the fringe.

With anything that gets mass media attention, it's always the most radical of a population that gets the most attention.

As previously said - feminists who could also be considered misandrist are like terrorists of the Islamic world - they grossly misrepresent the population as a whole and are usually held at least at arms length -at best. That's also not to say there aren't many extremely angry women in the movement, especially considering that the global average of women who will suffer sexual assault during their lifetime is 1 in 3.

Let us also consider the effect of media on both the male and female population. Males are manipulated at just about every angle to be strong, indifferent to emotion, competitive, and become some sort of leader or independent from the support of a community. Women on the other hand are generally considered weaker, emotional, a follower, a mother, or if all else fails, an independent woman making her money on a pole in a club.

It should come to no surprise then that the majority of the population is actually buying into these stereotypes; that our prisons (the US's new mental institutions) are filled with men who have warped that image of a "man" into one of dominance and control over others because they themselves lack a certain amount of control over their own lives. It should come as no surprise then that when the majority of women are taught from day 1 to obey, to focus on her self image, and to perfect her social appearance. Only the truly mentally ill and the unfortunate few are going to prison.

TL;DR: Social constructs dictate the evidence of men being less moral than women. Men are taught to take risks and to rise above all others no matter the cost. Women are taught the opposite, and well behaved women rarely make history.

 Ahtman wrote:
There are people that feel that way, but they are certainly on the fringe.

I've witnessed quite a bit of female-chauvinism in the media over the decades; how long until it becomes an accepted part of the group think like other gender myths?
In the case of men who feel that way I suspect them to be self loathers; useful idiots for the Feminutters; possibly hoping to ingratiate themselves with women by exulting females.

 Ahtman wrote:
There are people that feel that way, but they are certainly on the fringe.

Are they a minority? Yes, but they're still growing, especially here in the states when politicians feel that anything that deals with a woman and her body is gross and icky, and should be swiftly monitored and controlled... Well the man hating comes into light a lot more...


Note: In case my post wasn't clear: an addendum to my first few posts in this thread...

Equal Rights for all Genders = Very good thing
Misogyny = Bad
Misandry = Just as Bad

 Alfndrate wrote:

Chongara wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
I think that on a whole, women are not morally superior to men, but I feel that with the changes in the women's rights movement, the idea that men are useless, disgusting, rape mongering pigs (Read: The rise in misandry over the past 40 years) are starting to lead to the idea that men only think about sex with women, and that if we like a woman physically, we will take physical action against them if we could.

I've never actually heard anyone espouse this idea in person. When I've seen it the media it's almost entirely been relegated to almost cartoonish fictional caricatures. In terms of the actual feminists I've seen maybe a handful of writers that would back the kind of thinking you're outlining here and they hardly have the widest acceptance

I'm not really sure where people are finding all these "feminists" or aspects of the "women's rights movement" that are putting forward the idea that men are rape-mongering pigs, or anything else that could be genuinely be called misandry. I've not been able to find many examples out in the wild save for some clear trolls commenting on social media, and some really fringe blogs.

tumblr.com... search for misandry... You'll get plenty of people that are serious and not on the fringe of society...

I'm not really sure I'd take random ramblings of some random person on tumblr as any signs of mainstream acceptance of the idea. Could you maybe point to something from a major network broadcast, newspaper, or other widely-circulated publication endorsing these ideas? I mean even a couple of major blogs would better serve your point. Really the closest I've seen in that last category is iblamethepatriarcy, and even that is honestly on the smallish-side and doesn't seem to garner much respect in the wider sample of feminist blogs I've seen.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
There are people that feel that way, but they are certainly on the fringe.

Are they a minority? Yes, but they're still growing, especially here in the states when politicians feel that anything that deals with a woman and her body is gross and icky, and should be swiftly monitored and controlled... Well the man hating comes into light a lot more...


Note: In case my post wasn't clear: an addendum to my first few posts in this thread...

Equal Rights for all Genders = Very good thing
Misogyny = Bad
Misandry = Just as Bad

First what you're citing in your first paragraph is far closer to misogyny and disadvantageous for women than it is men. Secondly on average men have more social, economic and political power than women do, in spite of individual examples that may buck the trend. Additionally the vast majority of positions of social, economic and political power are stilled filled with men and largely men who grew up in era when women's rights were either not a thing, or still in their infancy did not have the level of mainstream acceptance they do today.

In light of that I think it's safe to say that Misogyny tends to be actively more harmful than Misandry and at least on practical level is in fact "worse than misandry".