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Has anyone found a good role for these guys in this match up?

My opponent doesn't field any c'tan's, and all of his characters/hq's join with other units. Firing at vehicles w quantum shielding is a joke - even with the rending Special rule.

I just haven't found much use for them.
At the very least they draw fire into a building and hunker down with a nice 2+ cover save (camo cloaks).

It seems like a waste of points without a juicy target.

Well, units with high toughness are welcome targets for Snipers, such as a C'tan and Canoptek Spyders. Spyder farm armies are not too uncommon these days.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, units with high toughness are welcome targets for Snipers, such as a C'tan and Canoptek Spyders. Spyder farm armies are not too uncommon these days.

Yeah he's not fielding Spyders either. I think it'd be worth yanking them for another 5man tac squad or something.

Yeah, under these circumstances, sniper Scouts can be rather useless.

Use the snipers to fire at problematic squads and try to pick out IC's, preferably 1 wound guys with res orbs and/or crypteks.

 juraigamer wrote:
Use the snipers to fire at problematic squads and try to pick out IC's, preferably 1 wound guys with res orbs and/or crypteks.

I tied that and got shammered by 'look out sir rolls' negating my precision shots.

Scouts with snipers don't have a role against ANY army, they're just cheap objective holders. Any wounds you happen to accidentally inflict with them are just a nice bonus. So, if you need objective holders keep them, otherwise replace them with something more useful.

I disagree, with all these new Deep Striking Termies etc. you can get a nice blast with the heavy bolter now and I regularly take out the heavy weapons from squads with mine.

I have to agree with peregrine of all the times iv played with them it just involves them sitting on a back field objective in cover, taking pot shots. It might be worth taking telion and using him with a missile launcher scout.

 phantommaster wrote:
I disagree, with all these new Deep Striking Termies etc. you can get a nice blast with the heavy bolter now and I regularly take out the heavy weapons from squads with mine.

How is an AP 4 weapon helping against terminators?

And sure, occasionally you'll get lucky and snipe a heavy weapon, but that's far too unreliable to count on (less than a 5% chance even without considering armor/cover saves) and you're better off just bringing units that don't suck and killing the entire squad the heavy weapon is in.

He was talking of the heavy bolter,scouts get to fire a small blast marker with poison 2+ or the regular 3 shots.
Might be somewhat useful against clumped up infantry.
That said it is not worth having outside of backfield objective holding...a small blast isn't going to yield that much wounds and since it doesn't negate armor or cover it is not really more effective than the misile launcher.

 krados wrote:
He was talking of the heavy bolter,scouts get to fire a small blast marker with poison 2+ or the regular 3 shots.
Might be somewhat useful against clumped up infantry.

I know what he was thinking of. It might wound on a 2+, but expecting a single AP - small blast to be effective against terminators is extremely optimistic.

It's the off chance that you don't scatter and manage to score 4-5 wounds on the unit (from the blast), plus the snipers shooting should get a few. Good chance your opponent will roll some ones for armor saves and you could get a few rends as well. ( You might even Pin the termies and have a good laugh. I've yet to Pin a unit with mine, but it will be great when I do. I like running Telion with my snipers, he took out a couple of FW squads by himself in a few games.)

If I take Scouts I always bring Telion.

Then Telion shoots characters in the face. With a quad gun.

 Sir Blayse wrote:
It's the off chance that you don't scatter and manage to score 4-5 wounds on the unit (from the blast), plus the snipers shooting should get a few. Good chance your opponent will roll some ones for armor saves and you could get a few rends as well. ( You might even Pin the termies and have a good laugh. I've yet to Pin a unit with mine, but it will be great when I do. I like running Telion with my snipers, he took out a couple of FW squads by himself in a few games.)

You might want to stop focusing on how well you've rolled in specific cases and do the math on the average performance of a scout squad against terminators. It is not very impressive.

 NickTheButcher wrote:
If I take Scouts I always bring Telion.

Then Telion shoots characters in the face. With a quad gun.

Which is a complete waste of points. An AP 4 quad gun is rarely going to be a threat to character models with 3+/2+ armor saves, multiple wounds, and LoS.

 NickTheButcher wrote:
If I take Scouts I always bring Telion.

Then Telion shoots characters in the face. With a quad gun.

Which is a complete waste of points. An AP 4 quad gun is rarely going to be a threat to character models with 3+/2+ armor saves, multiple wounds, and LoS.

BoniFactor wrote:

 juraigamer wrote:
Use the snipers to fire at problematic squads and try to pick out IC's, preferably 1 wound guys with res orbs and/or crypteks.

I tied that and got shammered by 'look out sir rolls' negating my precision shots.

For the squad sergeants it's a 4+, is your opponent doing this correctly? Only his overlord in this case would have a 2+ LOS

 juraigamer wrote:
For the squad sergeants it's a 4+, is your opponent doing this correctly? Only his overlord in this case would have a 2+ LOS

This - standard Lords are Characters, but they're NOT Independent Characters. So they only get a 4+ LOS! roll.
Concentrate them on any squad with a Lord with a Res Orb in, and allocate any placed shots to him. I find a tactic like this is best played with 10 snipers, though... if you just have 5 it's trusting too much to decent rolls.

 Super Ready wrote:
This - standard Lords are Characters, but they're NOT Independent Characters. So they only get a 4+ LOS! roll.

Nobody said otherwise. Even a 4+ LoS is crippling against something as luck-dependent as snipers.

I find a tactic like this is best played with 10 snipers, though... if you just have 5 it's trusting too much to decent rolls.

Even 10 snipers isn't enough to be useful. 10 shots = 1.6666 precise shots = 0.83333 precise wounds = 0.4 wounds through LoS = 0.22 wounds through 3+ armor save. IOW, if you shot the unit every turn for the entire game you could reasonably expect to successfully snipe a single one-wound model. Assuming it doesn't have a cover or invulnerable save, or 2+ LoS. Oh, and then because it's a Necron model it can just stand back up after you "kill" it.

Yeah, I think I'll just spend those points on better guns and kill the entire unit instead of screwing around trying to snipe.

I'll be honest - I would probably spend the points elsewhere too. But if I was already looking for a backfield troops unit to sit tight on an objective, I could do much worse than one that has the ability to place shots and add +1 to cover saves. In that situation I'd spend the extra to bump the unit from 5 to 10.