Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Is it me, or is GW wasting opportunities to make some really cool armies?

The Warhammer World is really big, is it not? There's Cathay and Nippon and Ind and that Hobgoblin Empire. Why not make some armies for them? It'll give the game a lot more variation.

Any thoughts on this?

The problem is although I would love to see these - GW can't even get all the present armies updated for each new edition..............

If they could and introduced one or more new armies per edition - that would be cool.

I agree completely! Personally I think that Bretons
Should be gotten rid of, that may be terrible, but I dont think that the only 2 armies of men should European style. Dont get me wrong I like both, and Bretons are awesome, but their lore is weak, and could do well to make room for a more deep army. Also a solid almost pure cavalry list can be made in Empire now. I have also been thinking of a Cathay army, and think it would be awesome. It could be a big mercenary style army, having units of all types and different races.

Other ones I would like to see of men, would be a Greek/Romanesque style army. A Native American(Native plains, not like South American as in Lizardmen) style army of some kind of animal like bears or wolves. Though it may be difficult to fit. Also an Amazonian army, based in the Eastern Steppes. maybe? Against the mountains in the valley forests. These could even be the Greek/Roman style army.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Mr Morden wrote:
The problem is although I would love to see these - GW can't even get all the present armies updated for each new edition..............

If they could and introduced one or more new armies per edition - that would be cool.

Sadly this is true. Though I hope the reason they have left a book 10 years old is to make room for something new. And make the Dwarves and and Wood Elves much better and more interesting unit wise.

I've seen Wood Elves done as Native Americans.

Yeah the Native American one is more difficult. I have also seen Wood Elves done this way.

Mountain-Breaker wrote:
Also an Amazonian army, based in the Eastern Steppes. maybe? Against the mountains in the valley forests. These could even be the Greek/Roman style army.

Amazons other than South American variety would probably confuse people (no one reads the original source!)

Not to mention Amazons already exist in warhammer, yes the South American variety



There was a rumor of a "minor army" supplement that included Araby and some type of Insect race (check the ogres, they have some insect corpses) but so far that has been proven false



And plus while new armies would be pretty sweet, the fact that GW has a hard time updating and balancing their current roster means tacking on more would make even more delays

Don't Araby have Warmaster minis?>

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
Don't Araby have Warmaster minis?>

Yea

But warmaster is a different beast to warhammer

Introducing unusual armies etc would fit in with the likely addiiton of Allies for 9th Ed

Sycthian style female warriors (Amazons) could be introuduced easily enough as just another part of the Eastern tribes culture. Neferata (the novel) has some introguing armiues that could be added - including from her homeland the regions near Silver Pinacle. (for some good inspiration for this read the Tyrant Novels by Christian Cameron)

Also in Neferata is an interesting alliance of bloodrinkers and their human vassels and Dwarves against the Orcs - it ends badly for most involved but works as long as both sides have a common enemy and purpose.

Well, they cant even update all the current armies, so I dont see why they should introduse rather obscure ones. Perhaps as minor "army packs", where they could also include some infantry from the brettonnia or empire lists such as archers.

Kislev was attempted as a third human army and it did not sell very well IIRC.

Personally I would to see some witch or warlocks army, kind of renegade, consisting of all the misfits of the Empire. This would both make warhammer more Empire-centric while introducing new and great fluff. This is how Beastmen should have been done I think. Not just purely satyr.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Also in Neferata is an interesting alliance of bloodrinkers and their human vassels

6th edition Vampire Counts did this. Lahmians could take a hero level character from any other army list as a thrall for the Vampire Countess, picking all its equipment from said other book. Von Carsteins could take Sylvanian levies, with hand weapons and shields or crossbows. Every bloodline had its own quirks and were actually optional thematic extra lists in the back of the book. Sadly the bloodlines have been left aside these days.

Also, a lot of the suggested armies can be done as 'counts as'. For example, find a historical miniature maker you like, grab a bunch of asian themed troops, and make a Nippon army, just throwing in GW cannons and the like. Use the Empire book and find good comparison units to use the stats from.

The main thing I would like to see is an army of men that is much different then that lf what already exists. A non-European style army. Araby would be great, like I stated previously they could make this the mercenary army, with units of all types, while still having the Araby center.

Also I would very much like to see an oriental style army of man. Or maybe a Mongol/Hun army, although the Ogres do already have this flavor to them. I think it would be awesome to have a fast cavalry army, that boasts the most skilled horse archers.

 -Loki- wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Also in Neferata is an interesting alliance of bloodrinkers and their human vassels

6th edition Vampire Counts did this. Lahmians could take a hero level character from any other army list as a thrall for the Vampire Countess, picking all its equipment from said other book. Von Carsteins could take Sylvanian levies, with hand weapons and shields or crossbows. Every bloodline had its own quirks and were actually optional thematic extra lists in the back of the book. Sadly the bloodlines have been left aside these days.

Also, a lot of the suggested armies can be done as 'counts as'. For example, find a historical miniature maker you like, grab a bunch of asian themed troops, and make a Nippon army, just throwing in GW cannons and the like. Use the Empire book and find good comparison units to use the stats from.

Thanks - yes I have the older Vampire Counts army books as well - the themetic lists were good fun - I used to play with an eclectic army list of a Vampire Countess and a variety of swains with backgrounds etcs.

You can do coutnts as lists - or GW could produce actual lists / models again of all these different armies but as I mentioned they are sooo very very slow at updating the ones they already have its likely counter productive, but its the same in 40k.

Given the Chaos Dwarf list we've recently seen, it's possible we might see more stuff from Forge World in the vein of new armies. I wouldn't hold my breath on it though.

Mountain-Breaker wrote:
The main thing I would like to see is an army of men that is much different then that lf what already exists. A non-European style army. Araby would be great, like I stated previously they could make this the mercenary army, with units of all types, while still having the Araby center.

Also I would very much like to see an oriental style army of man. Or maybe a Mongol/Hun army, although the Ogres do already have this flavor to them. I think it would be awesome to have a fast cavalry army, that boasts the most skilled horse archers.

I think the problem with an all cavalry army is that on a 6x4 board it's hard to do manoeuvres that made the Steppe armies so effective. Plus, it's hard to represent a lack of shouted commands and an army fighting in eerie silence on the board.

Wood Elves, again, can do this, but they're pretty damn old.

No, we do not need more armies until all the current ones has been brought up to speed. And the current armies can be modifed in countless ways to represent the different nations and places mentioned in the lore.

 Laughing Man wrote:
Given the Chaos Dwarf list we've recently seen, it's possible we might see more stuff from Forge World in the vein of new armies. I wouldn't hold my breath on it though.

True that

FW could do plenty of variant lists without upsetting the time tables of GW

 Mr Morden wrote:
You can do coutnts as lists - or GW could produce actual lists / models again of all these different armies but as I mentioned they are sooo very very slow at updating the ones they already have its likely counter productive, but its the same in 40k.

And you might notice they haven't added new armies to 40k since 3rd edition. In fact, they've all but dropped one - Sisters of Battle, sort of like how Wood Elves and Brettonians seem to be fading ever faster.

The thing with GW is they only do an army when it will have a unique 'silhouette' on the table. That's the reason, according to some recent rumours, for why Brettonians are still stuck in 6th edition - they're men with cavalry and some catapults. That's already done by Empire. Nippon, Cathay, Araby? They'll have the same problems. Men with cavalry and some war machines. Maybe the cavalry will look different - camels instead of horses? Small elephants instead of Demigryphs? It's not enough to change the fact it's mean with cavalry and warmachines.

There's armies they could add that have a unique look, but the various different regions of the Empire are not them.

Yes and no - I see your point but not sure its the whole story.

The wood elves have the potential for loads of different stuff from treeman to Dragons and strange forest creatures, plant entities etc - but no sign of any interest from GW. They can certainly be more different than High Elves/ Dark Elves? Same with Dwarves - can make loads of war machines - from powererd armour to airships - but again no sign of an update?

I think the problem is GW are quite happy just doing a couple of books a year and see no reason to change............

Fimir and Zoats could do with resurrecting.
Fits with the current monstrous theme and lends some more options on the 'Good' side.

Both are in the game now althouhg not as actual armies.

I dont think there is presently a Zoat model but........

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer/Warhammer_Monsters/FIMIR-WARRIORS.html

 Mr Morden wrote:
Both are in the game now althouhg not as actual armies.

I dont think there is presently a Zoat model but........

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer/Warhammer_Monsters/FIMIR-WARRIORS.html

Am I the only one who thinks the fimir rules suck? Or is that just me? They seem overpriced, cost more than dragon ogres

I think GW have got plenty of fuel left in the tank as far as army updates are concerned. As we've seen, there's plenty more new units they can introduce and more background they can create for each of the armies. And at the end of the day, a lot of armies need to be updated.

Besides, if a new army is introduced, we'd hope that GW would do it properly, so that would mean a long time in development and they'd have to alter background in updates for other armies so that, when the new army is released with its background, there's no clashes with existing stuff, etc.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Yes and no - I see your point but not sure its the whole story.

The wood elves have the potential for loads of different stuff from treeman to Dragons and strange forest creatures, plant entities etc - but no sign of any interest from GW. They can certainly be more different than High Elves/ Dark Elves? Same with Dwarves - can make loads of war machines - from powererd armour to airships - but again no sign of an update?

I think the problem is GW are quite happy just doing a couple of books a year and see no reason to change............

I never said it was the problem with Dwarves and Wood Elves. The rumour squarely placed this issue on Brettonians, since they are, as I said, humans with cavalry and warmachines. Dwarves are actually in the rumoured lineup, so there's no issue with them known. Wood Elves just seem like they have the same old 'can't be fethed' problem. No studio member has the enthusiasm for the project.

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:

Mountain-Breaker wrote:
The main thing I would like to see is an army of men that is much different then that lf what already exists. A non-European style army. Araby would be great, like I stated previously they could make this the mercenary army, with units of all types, while still having the Araby center.

Also I would very much like to see an oriental style army of man. Or maybe a Mongol/Hun army, although the Ogres do already have this flavor to them. I think it would be awesome to have a fast cavalry army, that boasts the most skilled horse archers.

I think the problem with an all cavalry army is that on a 6x4 board it's hard to do manoeuvres that made the Steppe armies so effective. Plus, it's hard to represent a lack of shouted commands and an army fighting in eerie silence on the board.

Wood Elves, again, can do this, but they're pretty damn old.

Yeah I can see your point. And GW has been ignoring Dwarves Brettons and Wood Elves so long, I feel like they may actually just never do them. It may seem ridiculous. But the three are now 10 years old. I can see Brettons changing. But the elimination of Dwarves and Wood Elves, two of the core high fantasy races in all of fantasy settings, then I cannot see myself playing Warhammer Fantasy longer.

But again, that is quite a jump. Especially considering Dwarves have a vital part in the Lore and the world. Also that Wood Elves play an important role of Elves within thr Old World.

To be fair, Dwarves are a 7th edition book, and Wood Elves and Brettonians are still 6th edition books.

Saying GW have been ignoring Dwarves as long as those two is exaggerationg a tad. I know dwarf players can hold a grudge, but that they've been waiting as long as Wood Elf and Brettonian players for an update is just nor true.

Yeah I understand that the Dwarves book is more recent than the others, and they they can still be competetive. My point is just that overall, i dont think that GW should be ignoring any book for more than 5-6 years. Thats just ridiculous.

Mountain-Breaker wrote:
Yeah I understand that the Dwarves book is more recent than the others, and they they can still be competetive. My point is just that overall, i dont think that GW should be ignoring any book for more than 5-6 years. Thats just ridiculous.

Ask Necron and Dark Eldar players how it felt. Dark Eldar players waited for 12 years for a new book.

This is what happens when GW have too many armies to update, and why they shouldn't be looking at new armies until they get their development cycles under control.

 -Loki- wrote:

Mountain-Breaker wrote:
Yeah I understand that the Dwarves book is more recent than the others, and they they can still be competetive. My point is just that overall, i dont think that GW should be ignoring any book for more than 5-6 years. Thats just ridiculous.

Ask Necron and Dark Eldar players how it felt. Dark Eldar players waited for 12 years for a new book.

This is what happens when GW have too many armies to update, and why they shouldn't be looking at new armies until they get their development cycles under control.

I'm not sure if they ever will tbh. I mean, take Space Marine armies in 40k for example, they're only updated as frequently as they are because they always sell well. Dark Eldar weren't that popular, so that explains the massive wait for the current book (hopefully they're popular enough now and will get regular updates). GW will probably just update what benefits them most though to be fair, eventually they get round to updating everything.

 The Shadow wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

Mountain-Breaker wrote:
Yeah I understand that the Dwarves book is more recent than the others, and they they can still be competetive. My point is just that overall, i dont think that GW should be ignoring any book for more than 5-6 years. Thats just ridiculous.

Ask Necron and Dark Eldar players how it felt. Dark Eldar players waited for 12 years for a new book.

This is what happens when GW have too many armies to update, and why they shouldn't be looking at new armies until they get their development cycles under control.

I'm not sure if they ever will tbh. I mean, take Space Marine armies in 40k for example, they're only updated as frequently as they are because they always sell well. Dark Eldar weren't that popular, so that explains the massive wait for the current book (hopefully they're popular enough now and will get regular updates). GW will probably just update what benefits them most though to be fair, eventually they get round to updating everything.

Dark Eldar were not that popular - then they were updated with new rules and lovely models and "Shockingly" were a huge success in terms of sales.......wierd how that works