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Pre-6th the embarked unit was destroyed. In 6th, embarked models are Fearless.

easysauce wrote:
how do you allocate vector strike wounds then rigel2d?

It depends. Does the striker have LoS?

your theory that vector strike wounds and polymorphine wounds cannot be allocated is false,

Still no rules citation then? Cool.

there is a specific rule for hitting units with polymorphine,

there is a specific rule for hitting units with vector strike.

Yup. That's correct. Have I ever said otherwise? Pretty sure I haven't.
Oh - tip - wounds and hits are not the same thing.

thats the only WRITTEN rules on polymorphine (which is not CC or shooting, stop bringing up irrelevant rules please, or explain how vector strike is allocated without useing CC/shooting rules)

So there are no written rules for allocating wounds with Polymorphine?

there fore the assasin cannot cause wounds with polymorphine, on any unit at all, ever.

As written, that's correct.

rigel2d

here is explicit permission for the poly morphine ability to hit and wound units it has no los to


pg 52 GK codex

Polymorphine: Polymorphine allows the Callidius to impersonate any being she chooses, revealing herself only when it is the time to strike. When the callidius assassin arrives from reserve, choose an enemy unit. The chosen unit immediately takes D6 strength 4 AP 2 hits. The Callidius is then placed anywhere withing 3" of that unit using the deepstrike rules, but does not scatter.

the chosen unit immediately takes d6 hits,

THEN the assassin is put on the board...

sorry does the assassin have LOS from reserves now?

the skill specifically goes off before the assassin would have LOS to anything rigel2d,

are you saying that the polymorphine special rule has no effect at all on anything ever then?

Yes, I am.

Because the rule you quoted still doesn't include anything about allocation.
I am not quoting rules because there's no rule to quote.

You need permission to allocate wounds please find some.

ok so we both agree then,

vector strike cannot work on units the attacking model has no LOS to at the end of the movement phase,

callidius assasins polymorphine rule does not actually inflict hits, and cannot damage any unit ever

rigeld2 wrote:
Yes, I am.

Because the rule you quoted still doesn't include anything about allocation.
I am not quoting rules because there's no rule to quote.

You need permission to allocate wounds please find some.

permission?

ok you win, hits dont cause wounds anymore rigel2d,

polymorphine was written to be have no effect on anything ever,

because its
A:neither a shooting attack, nor a melee attack
B. it never has LOS to the target unit

at least this means stuff cannot vector strike after it has left combat airspace after the attacking unit left the table and entered reserves

Q: If a Callidus Assassin chooses a unit of vehicles as its target for
its Polymorphine special rule what facing is hit? (p53)
A: You can choose which facing is hit, but the Callidus Assassin
must then be placed within 3" of the unit, and in the arc of the
facing that was hit.

if facing matters for the poly ability, then its a shooting attack, since CCW hits rear.

No, Polymorphine inflicts hits just fine. Because the rule says it does. It just has no permission to allocate.

rigeld2 wrote:
No, Polymorphine inflicts hits just fine. Because the rule says it does. It just has no permission to allocate.

ALmost like a book written in 5th edition having no concept of 6th edition rules, it's shocking at times

nosferatu1001 wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
No, Polymorphine inflicts hits just fine. Because the rule says it does. It just has no permission to allocate.

ALmost like a book written in 5th edition having no concept of 6th edition rules, it's shocking at times

Sure - it's obviously intended to cause wounds... It just can't by the actual rules right now.

I was agreeing that, RAW, it doesnt have any ability to do so. Same as Dooms spirit leech, and a few others.

I was just trying to point out, mainly to easysauce who isnt picking up on your "hints", that it shouldnt be considered odd that a book written before new-allocation should talk about new-allocationl, and that this presents a gap in the current rules.

no I know what you are saying, obviously a codex written before the concept of this new allocation system wont fit in it,
RAW technically lots of stuff doesnt work the way EVERYONE plays,

you guys are missing that if you rule raw means poly doesnt work, ever,

if we accept that it does work, (ie lack of LOS doesnt matter for it) then we have to accept it works on embarked units, as well as units out in the open,

or we take RAW and it never works, even on units in the open,

there isnt a middle, it either works on all units, or none, regardless if they are in transports or not.

I really could care less,

what I think is more important about the whole "you cannot allocate wounds to models out of LOS"

is that it means:

that RAW also states

vector strikes cannot allocate wounds when the flyer leaves the board, since you need LOS to allocate wounds

obvioulsy no one plays this way, since poly, other rules that inflict hits outside of LOS, were written to work, not to simply fill up space with useless words,


and everyone seems to get vector striked by models that are in reserve

thats what I was trying to get at,

since you cannot allocate wounds without LOS,

you cannot be vector striked by a flyer that is inreserves or out of LOS at end of movement phase

So you are arguing HYWPI, and not RAW?

It helps if you state that.

How Vector Strike got Brought into this I don't know.

Secondly, the automatic hits inflicted by the Polymorphine are targeted to a unit, which at this point seem to be any unit in the game including reserves....(Because it does not state you can't target them) Then it must be possible to use Polymorphine to inflict hits on a unit embarked on a zooming flyer.

Sadly I still don't think that is how this works...

edit nvr mind.