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 insaniak wrote:
That was last edition.

The larger base rule was in 4th edition. And there were multiple advantages which could be garnered from it (like extended disembark distances under the 4th and 5th ed disembarkation rules), so back then people still put limits on it to avoid folks modeling for advantage with silly huge bases.

 Crimson wrote:
I can understand why someone could have a problem with square bases in 40K (though I don't); it slightly affects how the model behaves. I don't get how anyone could have a problem with 25mm round bases instead of 25mm square bases in FB. Once ranked on a tray the unit occupies the exact same space.

I concur, though I can't call the difference slight. A unit of ten 25mm infantry dispersed to maximum coherency (for example to threaten a larger area with potential assault, or to screen a wider area) covers 4 more inches of ground using square bases (turned corner to corner for coherency) than they do on round bases. Inches matter. Square bases should not be used in 40k. They have several mathematically demonstrable advantages, no corresponding disadvantages, and the case for arguing that GW actually intends them to be legal for use in 40k is extremely flimsy.

Neither 40k NOR WHFB specifies a base shape in their rules. They might mention a base size, but this is usually a measurement and NOT a shape (round v square).

 Formosa wrote:
No they are not illegal for 40k, the models must be mounted on the base they.are supplied with, deamons come with both, as such they may be mounted on both.

Technically the models should be mounted on both

Ha touche!

Sorry mannahin, while it may be true the base size makes a slight difference, the square ones are still legal. The main draw for me useing square bases is that it saves me having to buy 2 different armies to use, as at the moment I can buy one and place them on square bases to be used in both systems.

A) It's more than a slight difference, between increased disperson, and more compact DS formations (so reduced chance of mishap).

B) People saying the square bases are legal are, I think, making an assumption that's not really supported by the rules. Termagants and Necron Warriors, for example, come with both 25mm and a few 40mm round bases, for use with the swarm models which also come on their sprues. By the exact same logic you're using, it's perfectly legal to mount the Necron Warriors or Termagants on 40mm round bases, because they came in the box. Or mounting them on two bases, as pointed out above. I disagree. I think the intent (as demonstrated by the photos in the rulebooks and on the box) is clear as to which bases are intended for use in which system.

C) Round bases actually work better for dual-use in 40k and WHFB, as WHFB troops go on movement trays anyway, and there's no problem putting round bases on a square movement tray. They fit ifine. The only issue is stuff (like Bloodcrushers) which are on 50mm square in WHFB but 60mm round in 40k. For those you'd really want to make the bases swappable or dedicate them to one game.

Trust me, I've played both systems quite a lot and put some thought into this.

I'm sure you have Mann, but your still wrong, both are legal, I understand your logic and its sound, but your ( and my) opinions dont matter, its legal and thats all there is to it.

One massive point I agree on though is that round works better in fantasy to a certain extent

Formosa, can I put my terminators on 25mm base (they come with one for the teleport homer); or can I put a biovore on 25mm base and a spore mine on 40mm base? Afterall, they come in the box.

Perfect example, old terminators came with tiny bases, these are still legal, but most rebase them on the bigger ones, old bikes had no bases at all, this is still legal, old biovore had no base, according to crimson new one does ( dont know as only have old ones) both are legal for play, old attack bike too, space hulk terminators I see with no bases at all or with the big bases.

You are trying to create a problem where there isn't one.

I must put the models on the base they are supplied with.

Daemons come with both square and round bases. Therefore, I get to choose which base I use.

That's the way I understood it as well. I can't find a rule or FAQ anywhere that says round for 40k only and square for FB only. Just says you use what comes in the box with no further instructions.

Grey Templar wrote:I must put the models on the base they are supplied with.

Daemons come with both square and round bases. Therefore, I get to choose which base I use.

CrashCanuck wrote:
Technically the models should be mounted on both

@Grey Templar
The Canuck is right. Technically if they must go on the bases they are supplied with, they must go on both bases. You said so yourself, lol.

And actually, I think that what will really happen is ol' Ed will read through the responses in this thread, remember why he stopped playing wargames in the first place, and not even bother. Makes me remember the good ol' days when BigChris and I were the self-proclaimed Mauleed Fan Club.

Not really, you can't put a model on 2 bases. Thus you get to choose between the bases you are given.

 whitedragon wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:I must put the models on the base they are supplied with.

Daemons come with both square and round bases. Therefore, I get to choose which base I use.

CrashCanuck wrote:
Technically the models should be mounted on both

@Grey Templar
The Canuck is right. Technically if they must go on the bases they are supplied with, they must go on both bases. You said so yourself, lol.

And actually, I think that what will really happen is ol' Ed will read through the responses in this thread, remember why he stopped playing wargames in the first place, and not even bother. Makes me remember the good ol' days when BigChris and I were the self-proclaimed Mauleed Fan Club.

You mean the MDF? Those were the days.

Well, we are probably expected to somehow conclude that for example in Vostroyan squad box it is the heavy weapon team that goes on 60mm base and the sergeant goes on 25mm base instead of other way around. I'd not find it far fetched that GW similarly trusts us to conclude that 40K models go on the round bases.

As I said earlier this is not a big deal, and would be totally fine with square bases if someone had and old army that was based on such or had an existing fantasy army and wanted to try 40K. However, if we are talking about new models intended to be used in 40K, putting them intentionally on square bases would be less fine.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Not really, you can't put a model on 2 bases. Thus you get to choose between the bases you are given.

Sweet. All my gants are going to be on 40mm bases from now on.

Gants don't come with 40mm bases.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Gants don't come with 40mm bases.

Tyranid Termagant Brood

Termagants are fast, agile and cunning creatures. In planetary invasions, Termagants scuttle forward on four legs whilst unleashing torrents of fire from the anti-personnel bio-weaponry clutched in their clawed forelimbs.

This box set contains 12 multi-part plastic Termagants and one Ripper Swarm. This 175-piece set includes: three different head designs, two different body designs, fleshborers, spinefists, devourers, adrenal glands and toxin sacs. Also included are 12 25mm round bases and one 40mm round base.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Gants don't come with 40mm bases.

They do. One might conclude that they're for ripper swarms from the same box, but hey, any base supplied with!

Either gants, gaunts, or stealers do - I have a plethora of 40s for the ripper swarms.

Ninjaed.

Fine, you can get 1 Gant per box on a 40mm base.

The difference is that daemons are meant to be on either the square or round bases. The Gants are never intended to be on a 40mm base.

What about Battleforces? Which base goes with which guy????

 Grey Templar wrote:
Fine, you can get 1 Gant per box on a 40mm base.

The difference is that daemons are meant to be on either the square or round bases. The Gants are never intended to be on a 40mm base.

I'm sure you can cite that. And I'll have all of them on 40s actually, because it is a base provided with the models.

From Bloodcrushers:

The set also contains three 60mm round bases and three 50 x 75mm square bases, enabling you to assemble your Bloodcrushers for use in either Warhammer or Warhammer 40,000.

It is almost like the two different sets of bases are for two separate game systems.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Fine, you can get 1 Gant per box on a 40mm base.

Maybe my 10 gaunt's on 40mm bases are all from different boxes! Then what? And how do you know?

Alright, now you guys are just being dumb.

1 is MFA, the other is following the rules.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Alright, now you guys are just being dumb.

When in doubt, attack the poster and not the post? Good job!

What part of our argument is cognitively impaired?

You know what I mean.

But fine, mount your Gants on 40mm bases. Watch your Tervigons become harder to use.

 Grey Templar wrote:
You know what I mean.

But fine, mount your Gants on 40mm bases. Watch your Tervigons become harder to use.

What about my ork bikers from the battleforce? They can go on 25mm, right? Came with them.
Same with Scarabs from the Battleforce, 25mm all the way!

Grey Templar, the square bases offer a slight advantage in 40K, so it is really the exact same thing as mounting gaunts on 40mm bases with exact same amount of rules support.

Sure, whatevs. just don't expect any sportsmanship points.


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 Crimson wrote:
Grey Templar, the square bases offer a slight advantage in 40K, so it is really the exact same thing as mounting gaunts on 40mm bases with exact same amount of rules support.

The advantage is so miniscule its practically non-existant. Compared to a 40mm vs 25mm. changing the shape is not comperable to changing the size.

I am not going to begrudge that to someone that also wants to play Fantasy with the same models(a superior game whats more)