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Welp, this just in, the land of our glorious leader is really going for the deep end. If sanctions continue they want to end it on the 10th.

This is the cease-fire with South-Korea that was signed in 1953. The war never ended, a peace treaty was never signed.

Just google North korea threatens to end cease fire and you should find 5 billion reports on it. But that's all it really comes down to, they want war as usual.

So... will this be another empty threat or might this be a real one?

But I thought Kim Jung Un told Denis Rodman that all he wanted was peace and that Obama should phone him

Do you believe for a second that he actually has any power at all in that country?

Denis Rodman, or Kim Jung Un?

Either/or?

Sabre rattling most likely.

But who wants to fight the US army? I just saw a thing that showed off their completely automated supply truck. It drives itself, scans terrain, and can deliver things to the front lines without the risk of losing any lives. What country would willingly take on a military with technology such as this?

North-Korea cares not for your toy trucks.

" tin foil hat engage"

Didn't one of the higher uppers from google visit NK about a month ago? GOOGLES BEHIND IT ALL! NK missiles and nukes will be guided by google maps!

China and the US just agreed up to more sanctions against North Korea ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21665380) and the final stage of the once-a-decade leadership change in China just commenced so maybe I'm being cynical when I see North Korea's announcement as suspiciously well timed.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Sabre rattling most likely.

But who wants to fight the US army? I just saw a thing that showed off their completely automated supply truck. It drives itself, scans terrain, and can deliver things to the front lines without the risk of losing any lives. What country would willingly take on a military with technology such as this?

More to the point, do they really want to piss off China, who want stability and continued trade with the US without war or threats?

China feeds North Korea, also, should the unthinkable happen, fallout would drift across China from North or South Korea...

In that case maybe China should get their dog on a shorter leash or muzzle before it bites someone.

Honestly, if they go through with this I don't see NK getting any back up.

Nobody wants war but I think it may actualy settle the whole situation quite rapidly if push comes to shove.

North Korea threatens and we listen. It has to be this way just in case that one in a million chance they actually do do something stupid, we'll be there to clean up the mess.

The US cannot afford a full scale war, nor can it afford another 10 years of guerilla warfare, will it still get involved? Almost certainly, and it will drag us along for the ride, on the plus side I may finally get to use my tropical sleeping bag...

 Soladrin wrote:
Welp, this just in, the land of our glorious leader is really going for the deep end. If sanctions continue they want to end it on the 10th.

This is the cease-fire with South-Korea that was signed in 1953. The war never ended, a peace treaty was never signed.

Just google North korea threatens to end cease fire and you should find 5 billion reports on it. But that's all it really comes down to, they want war as usual.

So... will this be another empty threat or might this be a real one?

Its an empty threat, BUT if they try anything we should respond in kind by 30x strength.
North Korea would look sweet glowing green.


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 Formosa wrote:
The US cannot afford a full scale war, nor can it afford another 10 years of guerilla warfare, will it still get involved? Almost certainly, and it will drag us along for the ride, on the plus side I may finally get to use my tropical sleeping bag...

Just nuke them. No full scale war needed. ENough with these guys. We're still at war with them. Show them what war with a nuclear power really is.

 Formosa wrote:
The US cannot afford a full scale war, nor can it afford another 10 years of guerilla warfare, will it still get involved? Almost certainly, and it will drag us along for the ride, on the plus side I may finally get to use my tropical sleeping bag...

South Korea seems pretty formidable and capable. Add in the fact that its soldiers and population aren't malnourished and I think they should be able to handle themselves if push came to shove

 Formosa wrote:
The US cannot afford a full scale war, nor can it afford another 10 years of guerilla warfare, will it still get involved? Almost certainly, and it will drag us along for the ride, on the plus side I may finally get to use my tropical sleeping bag...

If North Korea invades South Korea or attacks through proxy missiles, America has troops stationed there and weapons to strike back.

Our action would be no more than what we did in the Balkans during the '90s. We cannot afford to do more on several levels but we do have an obligation to protect South Korea.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
The US cannot afford a full scale war, nor can it afford another 10 years of guerilla warfare, will it still get involved? Almost certainly, and it will drag us along for the ride, on the plus side I may finally get to use my tropical sleeping bag...

South Korea seems pretty formidable and capable. Add in the fact that its soldiers and population aren't malnourished and I think they should be able to handle themselves if push came to shove

True, but they are fanatics, and look what happened last time we attacked a country that was malnourished, under trained and I'll equipped...oh yeah were still there, neither of our countries has the money to go and sort out the issues of the Koreans, now if the UN want to get a coalition together so some other countries can help foot the bill, well.. Let's do it.

 Formosa wrote:
True, but they are fanatics, and look what happened last time we attacked a country that was malnourished, under trained and I'll equipped...oh yeah were still there, neither of our countries has the money to go and sort out the issues of the Koreans, now if the UN want to get a coalition together so some other countries can help foot the bill, well.. Let's do it.

I don't see many wealthy Emirates, religious schools or Asian countries hostile to the US enabling North Korea in a similar way to the help received by various groups in Afghanistan and Iraq. I'm not saying I want war, or for the US to get involved. What I am saying is that South Korea should be able to handle things should the situation escalate.

Fire all the pop tarts, block out the sun.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
True, but they are fanatics, and look what happened last time we attacked a country that was malnourished, under trained and I'll equipped...oh yeah were still there, neither of our countries has the money to go and sort out the issues of the Koreans, now if the UN want to get a coalition together so some other countries can help foot the bill, well.. Let's do it.

I don't see many wealthy Emirates, religious schools or Asian countries hostile to the US enabling North Korea in a similar way to the help received by various groups in Afghanistan and Iraq. I'm not saying I want war, or for the US to get involved. What I am saying is that South Korea should be able to handle things should the situation escalate.

That I agree with, they should handle it themselves

 n0t_u wrote:
Fire all the pop tarts, block out the sun.

Pop Tarts have been banned by military forces as being cruel and inhumane (inhumanely awesome!).

This would be okay with me, so long as China and the US can agree that after the DPRK is demolished the peninsula will be reunited under South Korean leadership.

Well, that and the fact that Seoul would be shelled to rubble in minutes if war broke out.

China would benefit if one of their major trading rivals was demolished, and open up expansion of the Sealanes. Sure NK would be deccimated, but it would hobble a Greater Korea for decades.

War is a Win/Win for China.... or not.

 Frazzled wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:
Fire all the pop tarts, block out the sun.

Pop Tarts have been banned by military forces as being cruel and inhumane (inhumanely awesome!).

Damn those pencil pushers *slams fist on desk*
Grab all the capital Ls you can find, we're going to need them.

 Easy E wrote:
it would hobble a Greater Korea for decades

Greater Korea has already been hobbled for decades. The ideal path to reunification, although it sickens me to say given the people suffering in the North, is detente and especially disarmament. But the DPRK will never disarm because the war remains to this day the center of their political culture. And this further means that the North Koreans are in their own minds already fighting. Think about the significance of that: imagine yourself as a soldier on the battlefield encountering an enemy soldier -- killing him is a matter of course for you, whether sooner or later is secondary. Now imagine yourself encountering that same soldier outside of a war -- killing him is basically unthinkable. North Korea looks at the world from a battlefield. The rest of the world is looking at this situation as something other than a war. Even in the case of siege warfare, is detente possible? I think that is the hard question for the US and China: is military intervention in North Korea actually inevitable?

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
The US cannot afford a full scale war, nor can it afford another 10 years of guerilla warfare, will it still get involved? Almost certainly, and it will drag us along for the ride, on the plus side I may finally get to use my tropical sleeping bag...

South Korea seems pretty formidable and capable. Add in the fact that its soldiers and population aren't malnourished and I think they should be able to handle themselves if push came to shove

I think the issue is not so much a conventional war, which the South could easily win, it's worry over North Korea dropping a dirty bomb on Seoul or Tokyo. That would suck for them but wouldn't really affect me so I can't say I much care either way

 BryllCream wrote:
so I can't say I much care either way

Re-read that to yourself and consider how you might be coming off to reasonable people.

 Easy E wrote:
Well, that and the fact that Seoul would be shelled to rubble in minutes if war broke out.

China would benefit if one of their major trading rivals was demolished, and open up expansion of the Sealanes. Sure NK would be deccimated, but it would hobble a Greater Korea for decades.

War is a Win/Win for China.... or not.

And open up further potential conflict with Japan and possibly Russia. Both have disputes with China over territorial waters. And if anything happens with Taiwan then the US may be obliged to act, and that possibility is not in anyone's interests.

 Easy E wrote:
Well, that and the fact that Seoul would be shelled to rubble in minutes if war broke out.

China would benefit if one of their major trading rivals was demolished, and open up expansion of the Sealanes. Sure NK would be deccimated, but it would hobble a Greater Korea for decades.

War is a Win/Win for China.... or not.

Naw... I remember there were tactical discussions that if war does break out, we'd level those areas having those rockets pointed at Seoul.

 Manchu wrote:

 BryllCream wrote:
so I can't say I much care either way

Re-read that to yourself and consider how you might be coming off to reasonable people.

My wages are going down by 1% in real terms. Gas and electricity are up 8%. Rent and council tax consume half of my pay packet. Food prices have gone up around 12%. Tobacco is also now obscenely expensive.

Remind me why I should care about a possible war in a far-away country?