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What's the best archron court medusae seem most cost effective...

What's the best archron court medusae seem most cost effective...

If you take a Court, you must take a minimum of one of each member. In general, the Court is pretty terrible. If you are taking an Archon, the accompanying unit is usually an Eldar allied Harlequin unit. If not, I don't see a major reason to take one.

You can take the court and not put the archon with it. Good to have 1 of all but extra medusae (good for overwatch) and then max up on the sslyth and ur-ghul. the lhamia keep at the back for her LD 9

I mean units as well, are harlequins really good with an Archon?

Units? Incubi, they benefit from Archon's leadership. Also, if you go expensive, you can have an Archon absorb a challenge while the Incubi squad leader (Klaivex) butchers the opposing squad. All that in a raider is good but you're looking at 400 some points.

Archon benefits if he's with Grotesques. Resisting shooting uses majority toughness so suddenly you have an Archon whose toughness 5 and a 2i save (and you Always take the shadowfield!) Same deal with Wracks only more bodies lower toughness.

I usually take my archon with either 2 medusae or 4 incubi in a venom


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Its funny because a tooled up Klaivex usually does more damage than my archon which is just broken

DE Harlequins aren't that great; allied Eldar Harlies can be great with Fortune.

If staying in the DE codex, Grotesques can be pretty great. 3W and T5 make them durable. The Baron attached can be AMAZING with them, between Stealth to make them more durable crossing the table and Hit & Run to allow them to avoid getting locked into bad combats.

There are several places for an archon to go.

Courts are largely garbage, but if you run 3 sslyth and the manditory other 3 bodies, this unit is actually Okay. WIthout the con, this unit will be t5(tied majority toughness, tie goes highest) but with the con, just make sure the ur-ghul dies first and your T5 again.

As mentioned, grotesques and cons work well together. The archon gives them power weapon attacks to match their sheer numbers, and the aberation can eat challenegs the con does not like. The archon also can get a PGL, giving the grotesques grenades.

Wracks work a lot like budget grotesques with a con. Same basic principle, but easier to transport, cheaper at the cost of durability(not to say they are fragile)

An archon+incubi will tear most enemy units apart short of a deathstar, and even then they are going to hit hard. This is expensive, and often overkill.

You can put an archon with wytches(or bloodbrides), but they took a hit in assault power in 6th. Not the worst idea, but there are better units.

Allied with eldar, archons with shadowfields go great with harlequins or wraithguard.

Ive heard of a strategy using bloodbrides with maxed shardnets (or wyches) and the clone field on the archon. If done properly, he is invulnerable. The reduction of an enemy model's attacks combined with negating D3 hits has interesting synergy. I think it's more of a gimmick than something that can be used to win combat. Has anyone pulled it off?

Yeah I have heard of that before but I don't think it's actually to effective, it just annoys opponents...

wracks are ok, for the T4

wyches are ok with the 4++

Incubi are great at killing meq but get expensive fast

Groteques need an IC with them and having a T5 archon is great.

Allied harlies are an option.

Really though, why are you taking an archon in the first place, 6th edition has pretty much killed a lot of DE close combat.

T5 with a 2++ is always nice giving the Archon a shadow field and running him with grotesques. But if you really want a good shadowfield just go with the Baron Sathy, he's awesome for his point cost.

To be honest sliscus is more effective than him but I think archons can be really quite cost effective unlike the useless succubus

BaconUprising wrote:
To be honest sliscus is more effective than him but I think archons can be really quite cost effective unlike the useless succubus

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I fail to see how the Duke can be more effective than an Archon. His wonky MUST deploy with a shooting unit limits his potential to get into combat. The extra WS, attacks, and wounds on the archon help. The choice of weapons does as well.

I've often run Duke and his buff to his squad has proven much more effective than when I've run an archon in an incubi sqaud for dedicated cc.
Yeah, I hardly ever got Sliscus into combat, but never mind.

 Exergy wrote:

BaconUprising wrote:
To be honest sliscus is more effective than him but I think archons can be really quite cost effective unlike the useless succubus

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I fail to see how the Duke can be more effective than an Archon. His wonky MUST deploy with a shooting unit limits his potential to get into combat. The extra WS, attacks, and wounds on the archon help. The choice of weapons does as well.

No not the archon. I mean more effective than the Baron

BaconUprising wrote:

 Exergy wrote:

BaconUprising wrote:
To be honest sliscus is more effective than him but I think archons can be really quite cost effective unlike the useless succubus

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I fail to see how the Duke can be more effective than an Archon. His wonky MUST deploy with a shooting unit limits his potential to get into combat. The extra WS, attacks, and wounds on the archon help. The choice of weapons does as well.

No not the archon. I mean more effective than the Baron

that is even harder to believe. The baron is awesome. His stealth, grenades, bonus to going first and mobility are not found anywhere else in the codex in anywhere near that price. He also has high strength so can wreck tanks.

He's good with 1 unit that's it, dies quickly and is generally weak. Worth his points but not an effective general.

The baron dies exactly the same as the duke...

The baron works well with harlies, hellions, beasts and even reavers in a pinch. The duke must deploy with trueborn or warriors...

The +1 to go first and costing 50% less than the duke make the baron the better of the 2 IMO

could always slap the archon on the Lacannon or quadgun in a fortification. denies slay the warlord pretty well and BS7 is nice

that is even harder to believe. The baron is awesome. His stealth, grenades, bonus to going first and mobility are not found anywhere else in the codex in anywhere near that price. He also has high strength so can wreck tanks.

Agreed. If we are bringing special characters into the mix, the Baron right at the top. The ability to give grenades, and hit and run to a unit is amazing. I run the Baron with my Seer Council and couldn't imagine not having him.

A properly tooled Archon can walk through most units all by himself, he doesn't need any more killing power, he needs staying power. Joining grotesque is very good for this, especially since IC can no longer be singled out in combat, the grotesques can tank all those pesky power weapon/fist attacks

Continuity wrote:
A properly tooled Archon can walk through most units all by himself, he doesn't need any more killing power, he needs staying power. Joining grotesque is very good for this, especially since IC can no longer be singled out in combat, the grotesques can tank all those pesky power weapon/fist attacks

Very unlikely, an archon probably isn't going to be able to go through many squads he only cause 2-3 wounds a turn, nowhere near enough to effectively get through a full unit. I agree that grotesques are a great match to him. It's good because that finally gives them a use...

A properly tooled Archon can walk through most units all by himself, he doesn't need any more killing power, he needs staying power. Joining grotesque is very good for this, especially since IC can no longer be singled out in combat, the grotesques can tank all those pesky power weapon/fist attacks

Yeah.....no...

An Archon with Agonizer averages about 2 wounds to the average target (usually hitting on 3's due to high WS, wounding on 4's). While the statline looks nice on paper, an Archon is not very deadly. In 5th edition, I always just took Haemonculi. In 6th, an Archon is should almost exclusively be used to pair with Harlies and a Fortune Seer. They simply don't pack enough punch to justify the cost.

If you are bringing an Archon, then put him with incubi. It is expensive, but they can slice throught anything, and the PGL can give the squad assault and defensive grenades.

I bring the Duke. He starts with a squad of trueborn with splinter cannons in cover, and then jumps in a raider filled with wyches to go slice and dice some stuff. The Duke is great, gives good army buffs and his venoms blades can ignore cover.

 JGrand wrote:


Yeah.....no...

An Archon with Agonizer averages about 2 wounds to the average target (usually hitting on 3's due to high WS, wounding on 4's). While the statline looks nice on paper, an Archon is not very deadly. In 5th edition, I always just took Haemonculi. In 6th, an Archon is should almost exclusively be used to pair with Harlies and a Fortune Seer. They simply don't pack enough punch to justify the cost.

You don't need the archon squad to wipe everything out in one turn, you'll get shot to pieces the next turn, archon has consistent output against most units every turn while remaining safe with the Grotesques, the Harlies and Fortune Seer combination is definitely strong, but it's a lot more expensive and can't take transports.

Actually, Harlies and Fortune Seer goes well with everything anyway, so sure I guess that works

Continuity wrote:

 JGrand wrote:


Yeah.....no...

An Archon with Agonizer averages about 2 wounds to the average target (usually hitting on 3's due to high WS, wounding on 4's). While the statline looks nice on paper, an Archon is not very deadly. In 5th edition, I always just took Haemonculi. In 6th, an Archon is should almost exclusively be used to pair with Harlies and a Fortune Seer. They simply don't pack enough punch to justify the cost.

You don't need the archon squad to wipe everything out in one turn, you'll get shot to pieces the next turn, archon has consistent output against most units every turn while remaining safe with the Grotesques, the Harlies and Fortune Seer combination is definitely strong, but it's a lot more expensive and can't take transports.

Actually, Harlies and Fortune Seer goes well with everything anyway, so sure I guess that works

I think he's talking about an archon not being capable of single handely going through a unit which it isn't. Sure with grotesques he is but so's a haemonculus.

BaconUprising wrote:

I think he's talking about an archon not being capable of single handely going through a unit which it isn't. Sure with grotesques he is but so's a haemonculus.

Saying that archon "walks through units" was exaggerated, what I'm trying to say is that the archon can reliably do damage to a wide variety of units consistently, so being able to stay alive in combat and survive the aftermath shooting is more important than pure damage output, that's what the grotesques are for

CrimsonKing wrote:

I bring the Duke. He starts with a squad of trueborn with splinter cannons in cover, and then jumps in a raider filled with wyches to go slice and dice some stuff. The Duke is great, gives good army buffs

The duke's one great ability is rerolling combat drugs, which are used by wyches, helions, blood brides, and reavers. Unfortuneatly only reavers are really good in 6th so the duke took a big hit.

CrimsonKing wrote:
his venoms blades can ignore cover.

all close combat attacks ignore cover