Dark Eldar Idea/Question

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**rathkoron**

So, I am experimenting with a DE list and thinking about incorporating a Harlequin Troupe on a Raider. My question is, if I take Nightshields and a Shadowseer, does the Shadowseer's ability to mess with range apply before or after you apply the -6" to range granted by Nightshields?

Also, as I was typing my question I had another thought. Does a fortification count as part of a unit while that unit is inside it?

**Ascalam**

Not sure on the Shadowseer. I've not run Harlies much.

A fortification is not part of the unit that is inside it.

**Drunkspleen**

rathkoron wrote:
does the Shadowseer's ability to mess with range apply before or after you apply the -6" to range granted by Nightshields?

Why would Veil of Tears have any effect while the Harlequins are embarked on a vehicle?

**rathkoron**

My understanding is that it does because Veil of Tears affects the entire unit the Shadowseer is part of. While embarked, the vehicle counts as part of the Shadowseer's unit. Otherwise, the vehicle and the unit inside the vehicle could shoot at 2 separate targets.

That's too bad about the fortification thing. for a few minutes I thought I had found a way to completely utterly break a Fortress of Redemption. Put a minimalist Harley unit inside with a Shadowseer then put Either Lady Malys or Lelith Hesperax on the Krakstorm missile launcher.

With Veil of Tears in Operation on the FoR that would be HILARIOUS...because they couldn't shoot it until they got close enough for obscene attacks.

**xlEternitylx**

There is an FAQ that says Veil of Tears does not affect the transport.

No idea about the other one.

**rathkoron**

xlEternitylx wrote:
There is an FAQ that says Veil of Tears does not affect the transport.

Where is this FAQ? I just read through the latest one and there is nothing stating that it doesn't count as part of the same unit.

**Bugs_N_Orks**

rathkoron wrote:
My understanding is that it does because Veil of Tears affects the entire unit the Shadowseer is part of. While embarked, the vehicle counts as part of the Shadowseer's unit. Otherwise, the vehicle and the unit inside the vehicle could shoot at 2 separate targets.

A Transport and the unit inside are 2 separate units and CAN shoot at 2 different targets. It's pretty clearly spelled out in the rule book under Transport Vehicles (and it's been like that since at least 5th ed.)

**Drunkspleen**

rathkoron wrote:
While embarked, the vehicle counts as part of the Shadowseer's unit.

There are no rules to support that.

Otherwise, the vehicle and the unit inside the vehicle could shoot at 2 separate targets.

They can "Note that the passengers can shoot at a different target to the vehicle itself." (pg. 78 - Warhammer 40k Rulebook)

**GreyChaos**

Page 4 of the DE FAQ

**rathkoron**

Oh, ok. my friends have been lying to me...though probably not on purpose.

**Shas'o_Longshot**

Incidentally, in that same FAQ it makes it clear that the "spotting distance" rule has been changed to mesh better with the current rules for night fighting, and just offer Stealth and Shrouded instead. Not sure if the original poster knew, as I couldn't see it mentioned in this thread

**Mannahnin**

Right.

1. A squad and their transport are never treated as being one unit, except for Reserve rolls if they're in Reserve together.
2. The Shadowseer doesn't make people roll spotting distance anymore. He just improves his squad's cover saves. See the errata in both the DE and Eldar FAQs. The link is in my sig.