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I was referring to the apparent lack of new options -- it seems like a reconfiguration (in terms of rules but not models) of existing stuff plus the obligatory new flier and large model. DE and Crons by comparison got redesigned basically from the ground up. I think Bretonnia needs the latter rather than former treatment.

Ah, I see.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I think they'll do a full reintroduction on Wood Elves, but I wonder about Brets... Here's hoping for a slaughterbrute sized Siege Snail though!

I going to be REALLY disappointed if they don't get a Slaughterbrute Sized Siege Snail now!

Heh, well I'll be keeping an eye out for Wood Elves now, as after taking Asur, and I'll be taking Druchii again via RH and its next GW release (hopefully next year.) I might as well consider having the three faces of Elvenkind on my shelf.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I think they'll do a full reintroduction on Wood Elves

Like every time. Boooring!

Thought of the book and pictured this.



Great idea, they must use it.

 Alpharius wrote:


I going to be REALLY disappointed if they don't get a Slaughterbrute Sized Siege Snail now!

But you know GW will just end up having it's shell be a giant skull.

 kirsanth wrote:
Thought of the book and pictured this.



Great idea, they must use it.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I think they'll do a full reintroduction on Wood Elves.

I just don't see what kind of introduction you can make for wood elves where their style of play and current model list would make them remotely competitive in this current 8th ed enviroment. The only reintroduction I can imagine working would invalidate all of my models from 5th ed days, and even the newer ones I've purchased. I know, i know, GW doesn't invalidate models...... my WE chariots say otherwise.

If they did jut redesign the army, I might purchase the new models if they did it well. Take WEs into the full one tree spirit realm. Like an army of spirit, opposing the evil daemons. These WEs would exist throughtout the world (so taht it actually make since when they fight armies like Lizardmen. I don't really know how to make this work, but someone needs to become creative and redo my first and most love army. I would like to play with my wardancers again......

I think you might see a few more things rank up- dryads springs to mind. Eternal guard might get a little more viable, and then the army starts to slide into a more 8th friendly form, while still maintaining lots of guerrilla warfare aspects.

Coyote81 wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I think they'll do a full reintroduction on Wood Elves.

I just don't see what kind of introduction you can make for wood elves where their style of play and current model list would make them remotely competitive in this current 8th ed enviroment. The only reintroduction I can imagine working would invalidate all of my models from 5th ed days, and even the newer ones I've purchased. I know, i know, GW doesn't invalidate models...... my WE chariots say otherwise.

If they did jut redesign the army, I might purchase the new models if they did it well. Take WEs into the full one tree spirit realm. Like an army of spirit, opposing the evil daemons. These WEs would exist throughtout the world (so taht it actually make since when they fight armies like Lizardmen. I don't really know how to make this work, but someone needs to become creative and redo my first and most love army. I would like to play with my wardancers again......

I think they could make Wardancers a ranked unit of horribly potent ASF, Armor Piercing, fearless sobs, or they could make them directable, more reliable goblin fanatics of whirling doom. Enormous amounts of movement flexibility for the army as a whole. Beastmaster units like the DE, with horrible combo monster/beast options. Movement sapping attacks on the enemy from waywatchers etc. Cheap magic users, larger ranges and AP on bowfire...

Bring back zoats... huge deathstar zoat units with a mounted, killy warlord in them, buffed to all hells with beneficial magic and banners...

Anti fire wards for treemen and dryads.

 Breotan wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
Generally the figures were a lot crappier back then, too.

Yeah, no dino-bots, no GI-Joe flyers and less skulls

Keep pretending, Kroot.

You are aware neither of those were in print 6 years ago, right? Those plastic warriors were replaced with the current warriors almost 15 years ago. The chaos dwarves haven't been sold since almost the same time.

The first step to fixing both Bretonnia and Wood Elves is to make flanking MEAN something again. Right now, aside from reducing attacks back for a round, flanking does exactly nothing because of steadfast.

 Vulcan wrote:
The first step to fixing both Bretonnia and Wood Elves is to make flanking MEAN something again. Right now, aside from reducing attacks back for a round, flanking does exactly nothing because of steadfast.

No rank bonus = no steadfast.

It's a very simpe change that would improve the game by *a lot*.

Simple, effective, decisive. Works for me.

 Alpharius wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I think they'll do a full reintroduction on Wood Elves, but I wonder about Brets... Here's hoping for a slaughterbrute sized Siege Snail though!

I going to be REALLY disappointed if they don't get a Slaughterbrute Sized Siege Snail now!

Thirded...

 Vulcan wrote:
Simple, effective, decisive. Works for me.

So we can guarantee that GW wont do it then?

 Red_Zeke wrote:
I think you might see a few more things rank up- dryads springs to mind. Eternal guard might get a little more viable, and then the army starts to slide into a more 8th friendly form, while still maintaining lots of guerrilla warfare aspects.

Agreed!

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Vulcan wrote:
The first step to fixing both Bretonnia and Wood Elves is to make flanking MEAN something again. Right now, aside from reducing attacks back for a round, flanking does exactly nothing because of steadfast.

No rank bonus = no steadfast.

It's a very simpe change that would improve the game by *a lot*.

Doubly agreed!!

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Vulcan wrote:
The first step to fixing both Bretonnia and Wood Elves is to make flanking MEAN something again. Right now, aside from reducing attacks back for a round, flanking does exactly nothing because of steadfast.

No rank bonus = no steadfast.

It's a very simpe change that would improve the game by *a lot*.

That would be great except skirmishers cannot remove rank bonuses (thats a majority of WE good combat units), and cavalry need at least 2 ranks of 5/.(the rest of the WE combat units and the enitre Bret book) This is one of the big reason it's difficult for WEs and Brets to work effectively under the new rules, even their "flank" charges don't bring the same effective result as other armies can bring. Makes me miss Unit Strength(much better way to work things out then rank bonuses imo. Yes a 7 wound monster should stop steadfast against a unit of 6 guys with one in the 2nd rank) With the a addition of a formation and no longer having 360 charges, I think my skirmishers should remove rank bonuses when performing flank/rear charges.

Tresson wrote:

 Vulcan wrote:
Simple, effective, decisive. Works for me.

So we can guarantee that GW wont do it then?

Pretty much. "Not Invented Here" and all...


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Coyote81 wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Vulcan wrote:
The first step to fixing both Bretonnia and Wood Elves is to make flanking MEAN something again. Right now, aside from reducing attacks back for a round, flanking does exactly nothing because of steadfast.

No rank bonus = no steadfast.

It's a very simpe change that would improve the game by *a lot*.

That would be great except skirmishers cannot remove rank bonuses (thats a majority of WE good combat units), and cavalry need at least 2 ranks of 5/.(the rest of the WE combat units and the enitre Bret book) This is one of the big reason it's difficult for WEs and Brets to work effectively under the new rules, even their "flank" charges don't bring the same effective result as other armies can bring. Makes me miss Unit Strength(much better way to work things out then rank bonuses imo. Yes a 7 wound monster should stop steadfast against a unit of 6 guys with one in the 2nd rank) With the a addition of a formation and no longer having 360 charges, I think my skirmishers should remove rank bonuses when performing flank/rear charges.

Don't know about WE, but in the Bret FAQ it clarifies things. Bret Cavalry ranks of 3 function as ranks of 5.