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I'm on a tight budget, and I still buy stuff from my FLGS rather then online. I've watched game stores come and go, so like to support mine when I can. Pay where you play is a big deal. If you just play in your basement with your friends, that's fine. But if you want a venue where you can meet and play a variety of people, hang out, and chat, support your favorite local game store.

And telling people to buy stuff elsewhere while you are in a store selling those things is a good way to find yourself thrown out. Seriously uncool. A lot of FLGS are just barely keeping their doors open, they need those sales.

I once had someone tell me not to buy a box of devastators when I was at the register getting ready to purchase them. "Devs are crap, don't buy those" I think that's the closest I've ever seen the normally hang-loose, mild mannered owner/operator of my FLGS loose it. It's one thing to chat tactics and help someone pick out a new unit to buy when looking at the stock on the shelves, but sale-blocking at the cash wrap is bad form. And while dev -squads- are a little sub-par, the dev -box- is a great bargain that I'd recommend for any starting marine player.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Tabletop gaming is starting to get the same idiotic notions as the Video game industry, aka. "WHAT ARE THESE CONSUMERS DOING?!??! YOU CAN"T BUY OUR PRODUCTS FROM SOMEONE ELSE! THAT'S WRONG! YOU CAN ONLY BUY FROM US!"

I'm willing to bet 20 internets GW has already been trying to think of a way to make you sign an agreement that says you cannot buy 3rd party, secondhand, or through bulk sellers. As soon as their lawyers figure out they'll be on it in a heartbeat.

The messed up thing is that companies in the us are trying to make it illegal - saying that even though you bought the items, they are not actually yours and that reselling them is illegal....

As for the OP - I am with the telling them to frack off. Where and how you get your models is your business. If you are mouthing off about how you got them, they are well within their rights to remove you from the store (at least in America, all businesses have the right to refuse service, paid or not to anyone for any reason). All they are going to do by kicking people out is get people to not want to come back. If they start 'assuming' you secondhanded the model, they will start losing business.....

but...that is how businesses work in the us. Even my FLGS says encourges people to buy an army off the internet. Rationale: once you are hooked on the game, you will invest time and money to make your own, seeing the caliber of what people around them are doing (all of the people I play with are VERY good painters...works for me as I have a lot of good teachers)

Though it is of course open to change at any time, I'm of the understanding that GW have always said that once you buy the physical models, they are *yours* to do with as you wish (excepting making copies, of course).
What with all the converting I don't see how it could work any other way.

I make a point of buying what I can from my LGS, but it isn't a GW.

There's only one GW in my entire province, and they're extremely anal about the models you use. Currently, it has to be 100% GW (even things like head swaps cause major problems,) and even then, they'll make life difficult if it's merely old GW product. It's something like all models have to be either the current release, or the previous one. Only exception is Forgeworld. Add in that they charge more than any of the independent retailers, there's only two, small tables, and there isn't so much as a chair to be had, and I just can't be bothered.

GW stores have largely shifted policy away from being actual hobby centers to basic retail outlets; they don't really want anyone to play there, save for weekends where they get most of their business, and want the advertisement.

I wholly support the notion of buying where you play, but if you're playing at a GW, honestly, try to find somewhere else. They offer some of the worst gaming environments, have asinine restrictions, and the highest prices.

the only products in the US that have that "You bought it but its not yours" label are things that are constantly connected to a service of some sort like ipods or tablets.
This is basically there to limit hackers, which doesnt really do anything. Hackers just hack off the service so they never see the device again.
Technically this is true for the Wii as well, and as everyone knows its the easiest piece of technology to hack lol. However i use it as a means to getting NES/SNES games on the TV instead of my emulator on the computer lol.

I sincerely doubt GW will ever start that because its impossible to track models that are built by the consumer (converted or otherwise) whether or not they were from GW or Ebay or whatever else sells them. And even if they did, whatever system they come up with would probably render EVERYTHING currently built/sitting on a sprue under the art table useless as they wouldnt have whatever they used to track them.
That alone would make people quit. Pretty sure everyone here has already spent well over 1000USD on their army, and thats on the low end of the costs for die-hard hobbiests.

I go to a GW store and I have some models I have gotten off EBAY. Generally if you don't tell everyone you got them off ebay no one can say anything.


Also as to Horuborus' comment about staff requiring a receipt that is the single silliest idea i have read on the internet today.

horusborus wrote:
In the store I play at, you have to present the staff with a reciept showing that you bought from the store, if you can't then you get kicked out

As other have pointed out, I smell a....


..and not a very good one as it's so over the top as to be unbelievable. Try again, son...

But as to the original post goes, I agree that the person in the story was being a jerk and just asking to be kicked out. Look, I'm about as hostile to GW as you can get and fully agree that their pricing has passed the point of obcene. But there is a limit on good behavior. One simply cannot go into a store and make a scene, hoping to disrupt sales and the like and not expect the staff to eject you.

I also fully agree that second hand and other discount sales is the only way to buy GW product in today's enviorment. As I'm fond of saying, anyone who plays full price for 40k figures is a chump. GW themselves recognize this fact that and they have long been looking for a way to shut down the second hand market. Short of them finding a way to get Ebay to ban the sale of GW product, that simply is not going to happen. The second hand market is here to stay. What is certainly NOT going to happen is a ban on the use of second hand figures in in-store play if for no other reason than it's impossible to enforce.

TR

I'm glad I play private games. If there was even a tiny reason I had to worry about employees at a GW store (the most likely candidate, over just a FLGS) getting miffed over using secondhand models versus buying from them, 60-75% of my Eldar army would be unuseable, between gifts from friends and Ebay deals.

I'm not worried about it, and I support a healthy secondhand market. It's not like they all didn't earn GW money at some point, and secondhand OOP models aren't being sold anymore anyway, so it's not even possible for that market to "steal" from GW.

When I take out my all RT-era Harlequin army in my local GW, I don't go on about where I got it from (almost entirely ebay although I did buy some direct from GW about 12 years ago). Everybody knows that GW is expensive. Everyone knows that you can get it second hand too, but there's no need to make a big deal about it. I just buy the occasional model or paint in there so they know I'm not just sponging off them and everyone's happy.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

horusborus wrote:
In the store I play at, you have to present the staff with a reciept showing that you bought from the store, if you can't then you get kicked out

This sounds highly implausable because I can't imagine anybody wanting to play at a store that anal about where models are bought from.

What do they do with guys who have extremely old armies, or just moved in town? Do you have to buy a whole new army just so you can play at that store?

I just can't see a store that even remotely enforced that policy staying in business very long.

we aren't allowed to use those; even if you just moved in, you have to buy something from the store to hang out and play there

I'm not the only one, there are other dakkites on this forum that faced similar problems(ie: a GW store that didn't allow a player to play because his model base wasn't primed green which basically tells 99.9% of golden demon people to go screw themselves)

horusborus wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

horusborus wrote:
In the store I play at, you have to present the staff with a reciept showing that you bought from the store, if you can't then you get kicked out

This sounds highly implausable because I can't imagine anybody wanting to play at a store that anal about where models are bought from.

What do they do with guys who have extremely old armies, or just moved in town? Do you have to buy a whole new army just so you can play at that store?

I just can't see a store that even remotely enforced that policy staying in business very long.

we aren't allowed to use those; even if you just moved in, you have to buy something from the store to hang out and play there

I'm not the only one, there are other dakkites on this forum that faced similar problems(ie: a GW store that didn't allow a player to play because his model base wasn't primed green which basically tells 99.9% of golden demon people to go screw themselves)

What? Where is this "green primed" post? Furthermore, where is a rule that states your bases have to be primed any color? Or anything beside the black plastic that it came as?

If you're going to start throwing around wild claims, you're going to have to start citing sources -- WikiMods would have blocked your IP by now.

Matney X wrote:

horusborus wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

horusborus wrote:
In the store I play at, you have to present the staff with a reciept showing that you bought from the store, if you can't then you get kicked out

This sounds highly implausable because I can't imagine anybody wanting to play at a store that anal about where models are bought from.

What do they do with guys who have extremely old armies, or just moved in town? Do you have to buy a whole new army just so you can play at that store?

I just can't see a store that even remotely enforced that policy staying in business very long.

we aren't allowed to use those; even if you just moved in, you have to buy something from the store to hang out and play there

I'm not the only one, there are other dakkites on this forum that faced similar problems(ie: a GW store that didn't allow a player to play because his model base wasn't primed green which basically tells 99.9% of golden demon people to go screw themselves)

What? Where is this "green primed" post? Furthermore, where is a rule that states your bases have to be primed any color? Or anything beside the black plastic that it came as?

If you're going to start throwing around wild claims, you're going to have to start citing sources -- WikiMods would have blocked your IP by now.

To be fair, this isn't Wikipedia.

Just ignore this guy. It's pretty obvious he's the new resident troll. Evidence you say?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/513137.page

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/513165.page

That or this dude just lives in a really messed up town.

Original poster: not illegal to buy second hand, but the guy was being a dick and rubbing it in the face of the GW store clerks. They likely kicked him out for his attitude. Of course, they did lie to him too about not legally being able to buy second hand. But the guy still deserved to be kicked out. Being excessively rude to store employees is grounds for being vacated in any location.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

To be fair, this isn't Wikipedia.

Just ignore this guy. It's pretty obvious he's the new resident troll. Evidence you say?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/513137.page

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/513165.page

That or this dude just lives in a really messed up town.

Right, I know it's not Wikipedia -- just stating that he's making ludicrous claims what should obviously be linked. I'll ignore him, or just feel sorry for him and hope he moves away from the 9th level of wargaming hell.