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So when you roll for penetration, for example if you were shooting at a Rhino, and had 4 pens.
I rolled 1,3,6,5.
Would all the results still apply?
So hence would the crew shaken/crew stunned still apply to the vehicle or would it just blow up?
As I couldn't find it anywhere saying that it doesn't.
Thanks

common sense you get a six you explode....do you have more hullpoints then? no? bam hes gone.... a rhino also only got three hull points so it would be wrecked if it did not explode.

Sorry, meant to ask if the other results such as crew shaken still apply to the passengers, even if there is an explosion?

It would depend on the order you rolled the damage. For example, if you rolled Explodes first, there would be no other results. If you rolled them in the order you posted, any effect on the passengers (if any) would carry over.

you explode thus they gotta take a pinning test but as for the results depends if its the same guy shooting them or not. if its all from. one group then explosion overides the others.
if it takes more than one group to shoot it down lets say the first group fired of a missle and got crew shaken. but in another group a multimelta explodes it, it would then have the crew stunned wffect from the first group.

 Happyjew wrote:
It would depend on the order you rolled the damage. For example, if you rolled Explodes first, there would be no other results. If you rolled them in the order you posted, any effect on the passengers (if any) would carry over.

Is there an actual ruling saying that order matters?
I don't have the book beside me right now, but I remember that it just says that the vehicle gets removed and roll for explosions and stuff. It doesn't say instantly remove it though does it?

phatonic wrote:
you explode thus they gotta take a pinning test but as for the results depends if its the same guy shooting them or not. if its all from. one group then explosion overides the others.
if it takes more than one group to shoot it down lets say the first group fired of a missle and got crew shaken. but in another group a multimelta explodes it, it would then have the crew stunned wffect from the first group.

Same unit shooting.

I thought it was all simultaneous. You don't roll damage results one at a time, you roll them all and apply them all.

 Flinty wrote:
I thought it was all simultaneous. You don't roll damage results one at a time, you roll them all and apply them all.

That's how we play it. Haven't seen any rule stating otherwise but I am getting blind in my old age.

Same unit shooting.

if so explode overides em all, kabooom!

 Flinty wrote:
I thought it was all simultaneous. You don't roll damage results one at a time, you roll them all and apply them all.

Yeah that's how I play it as well, and vehicles are just now death traps to be honest...


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phatonic wrote:

Same unit shooting.

if so explode overides em all, kabooom!

Where does it say explosions overrides them all?

page 80

for the info.

phatonic wrote:
page 80

cant tell more but the veichle sustains aka survive, it applies the affects. but explode. read urself.

Just read. Page 80 says nothing about exploding overriding anything else. Only that if the vehicle wrecks or explodes wounds on passengers have no effect on combat resolution.

phatonic wrote:
page 80

cant tell more but the veichle sustains aka survive, it applies the affects. but explode. read urself.

Don't have the book right now, I will check when I get home unless someone else can check for me right now.

Sustained damage means it takes damage. It sustains damage when you roll any result. Explodes is not an exception.

 BarBoBot wrote:
Sustained damage means it takes damage. It sustains damage when you roll any result. Explodes is not an exception.

What are you refering to here? I havn't seen anyone say anything about an exception to explodes and sustaining damage.

The OP is asking "if multiple pens are rolled do they stack?" .. some seem to be claiming that if one of those pens is Explodes, it somehow "overrides" all other results (ie : Only the explodes result takes effect). However, there is no such rule.

For each penetrating hit, you roll on the chart. Apply each result. Results would also apply to any passengers.

Of coruse, if your vehicle explodes, the other results don't matter on the vehicle itself, however the results WILL carry over to the passengers as stated in thte transport vehicle section (assuming they survived the explosion)

Rorschach9 wrote:

 BarBoBot wrote:
Sustained damage means it takes damage. It sustains damage when you roll any result. Explodes is not an exception.

What are you refering to here? I havn't seen anyone say anything about an exception to explodes and sustaining damage.

The OP is asking "if multiple pens are rolled do they stack?" .. some seem to be claiming that if one of those pens is Explodes, it somehow "overrides" all other results (ie : Only the explodes result takes effect). However, there is no such rule.

For each penetrating hit, you roll on the chart. Apply each result. Results also apply to passengers.

He's probably referring to the guy above saying that sustains = survives which I was super confused about.

 BarBoBot wrote:
Sustained damage means it takes damage. It sustains damage when you roll any result. Explodes is not an exception.

then ive been told the wrong thing of the wording by a english employee at gw, ill withdraw what ive said.

Phatonics post says that "sustain" means "survive" in this case and so exploded vehicles are exempted somehow.

That's the only way I can interpret his post.

 BarBoBot wrote:
Phatonics post says that "sustain" means "survive" in this case and so exploded vehicles are exempted somehow.

That's the only way I can interpret his post.

thats how i learnt it, by some gw staff. anyways if susatin means just taking dmg i gotta go on thr train that all affects happen. but the veichle can only explode once!(if you ment that by stack)

It's an honest mistake, since "sustain" does have dual meanings which include maintaining/surviving.

I agree that all results apply. The "explodes" result in the damage table says that although it can occur more than once, you should roll only once for the explosion itself.

So multiple results stack, but you cannot get more than 1 explosion.

I wonder how the explosion actually works.

Since by RAW it can apply multiple times if nothing is written in there that disallows it.

I personally play by 1 explosion but one can claim multiple if RAW is indeed like that.

 Makutsu wrote:
I wonder how the explosion actually works.

Since by RAW it can apply multiple times if nothing is written in there that disallows it.

Multiple explosions are only applied once. Covered in the 'Explodes' result.


You apply all the different damage results simultaneously, though, because all shooting from a single unit is simultaneous.

Hmm.. the Explodes text says roll once for distance, regardless of the number of explode results. Does that mean then that you hit models within the 1 distance as many times are there are explodes results?

 Flinty wrote:
Hmm.. the Explodes text says roll once for distance, regardless of the number of explode results. Does that mean then that you hit models within the 1 distance as many times are there are explodes results?

No, as the explodes says each unit suffers a hit for each model within range.

So pg.74 Under penetrating hits:

"You must roll on the vehicle damage table even if the vehicle loses sufficient hull points to be wrecked, as there is still a chance that it explodes!"

So even if it's wrecked, which affects the passengers, you continue to roll to see if it explodes. Which makes it even more unclear -- if it becomes wrecked, they have to disembark. Then if I continue rolling and it explodes, they don't suffer the Str. 4 hits since they disembarked...?

So lets say I shoot at a Rhino. I hit 6 times and cause 5 penetrating hits. We remove the HP's, which is enough to wreck the vehicle. Do I then roll on the damage table first or does the unit disembark before I roll the damage table since wrecked states that the unit "immediately disembarks in the usual manner".

No, because all the results are applied at the same time, and you can only complete the final one - explodes!

 NickTheButcher wrote:
So pg.74 Under penetrating hits:

"You must roll on the vehicle damage table even if the vehicle loses sufficient hull points to be wrecked, as there is still a chance that it explodes!"

So even if it's wrecked, which affects the passengers, you continue to roll to see if it explodes. Which makes it even more unclear -- if it becomes wrecked, they have to disembark. Then if I continue rolling and it explodes, they don't suffer the Str. 4 hits since they disembarked...?

I'm fairly sure that damage results for any given batch of damaging hits, glances and pens, are rolled at the same time. What they are saying is that if a vehicle with a single HP left takes a penetrating hit, you must roll on the table to see what happens, even though the vehicle will be wrecked no matter what due to loss of HP.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
No, because all the results are applied at the same time, and you can only complete the final one - explodes!

Even though the HP's are removed first? That seems odd -- since it later states that once a vehicle reaches 0 HP's it's Immediately wrecked.

Maybe I'm just misinterpreting it.....It's been a long night at work.

 NickTheButcher wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
No, because all the results are applied at the same time, and you can only complete the final one - explodes!

Even though the HP's are removed first? That seems odd -- since it later states that once a vehicle reaches 0 HP's it's Immediately wrecked.

Maybe I'm just misinterpreting it.....It's been a long night at work.

Page 74 - last sentence under Penetrating Hits. You still roll on the table even if hull point damage killed the vehicle.