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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/12 08:25:32
Subject: competitive blood angles army
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Hey I wanted to know how to make a competitive BA army I have bought the battle force a Liberian dreadnought and space Marian captain and just wanted to know what i should get next.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/12 08:30:41
Subject: competitive blood angles army
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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Tanks. Baals, Trilas-preds and vindicators.
Possibly even a LRC.
AV:13+ is your friend, expensive CC units are not.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/12 10:11:19
Subject: Re:competitive blood angles army
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Thanks I also wanted to know if it was possible to give any unit a jump pack and bolter and what psyker mastery level is a Liberian dreadnought?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/12 10:36:22
Subject: Re:competitive blood angles army
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BloodBaron wrote:Thanks I also wanted to know if it was possible to give any unit a jump pack and bolter and what psyker mastery level is a Liberian dreadnought?
Giving any BA unit a bolter and JP: Some can have the combination of the two but the points you spend getting them aren't worth it, i.e. DC w/ JP&Bolters 40 points a model (to high). Our regular ASM do not have access to the Bolter, but they really aren't used to fill that roll, they are our bread and butter. Take regular TAC squads and put them in Razorbacks/Rhinos if you really want the Bolters that bad, otherwise just stick with ASM and use MG, hide a PF or PW in the sqd for challenges.
Furioso Dread Mastery: LV - 2.
I personally try to get a Strom Raven or some vindicators. Some would argue that the Predator is better but I really think the Vindicator is. You get a massive S10 Large Blast weapon that can clean up almost anything it hits. This is a huge psychological benefit to your team, your opponent can’t just ignore it and hope it goes away. They have to deal with it, which means shooting at it and not your other stuff, keeping your small body count alive.
Sangunary Priest: Get some, they are the best we can do for extra saves. We have access to almost NO units with INV saves, the best we can hope for is FnP. Put them on a bike and ride them from battle to battle, the T5 helps.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/12 10:38:29
Subject: competitive blood angles army
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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All questions relating to unit composition and warhead will be covered in the codex and FAQ. The FAQ can be found on the GW website under shrine of knowledge.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/12 10:40:44
Subject: Re:competitive blood angles army
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Sneaky Lictor
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g0atsticks wrote:BloodBaron wrote:Thanks I also wanted to know if it was possible to give any unit a jump pack and bolter and what psyker mastery level is a Liberian dreadnought?
Giving any BA unit a bolter and JP: Some can have the combination of the two but the points you spend getting them aren't worth it, i.e. DC w/ JP&Bolters 35 points a model (to high). If your really stuck on the Bolter, just take regular TAC squads and put them in Razorbacks/Rhinos. Otherwise just stick with ASM and use MG, hide a PF or PW in the sqd for challenges,these are our bread and butter. They are the best we have access to.
Furioso Dread Mastery: LV - 2.
I'd personally try to get a Strom Raven or some vindicators. Some would argue that the Predator is better but I really think the Vindicator is. You get a massive S10 Large Blast weapon that can clean up almost anything it hits. This is a huge psychological benefit to your team, your opponent can’t just ignore it and hope it goes away. They have to deal with it, which means shooting at it and not your other stuff, keeping your small body count alive.
Sangunary Priest: Get some, they are the best we can do for extra saves. We have access to almost NO units with INV saves, the best we can hope for is FnP. Put them on a bike and ride them from battle to battle, the T5 helps.
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On building Tyranid army flow chart.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/12 11:01:02
Subject: competitive blood angles army
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Pious Palatine
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Griddlelol wrote:Tanks. Baals, Trilas-preds and vindicators.
Possibly even a LRC.
AV:13+ is your friend, expensive CC units are not.
Could you expand on this please. I run a BA force that isn't the 'AV13 Wall' and am curious to see how it works.
It strikes me that with only 3 slots in the heavy we can't really mix Vindis and tri-las preds and we should take 3 of one or the other. Taking 3 of these also mean we can take a Stormraven.
What about troops for these lists - would you 5 man Assault Squads with a dedicated Transport?ala the old Razorspam lists or maybe take tac squads with the razors. If its a mobile tank lists would a libby on a bike be good for casting on tanks?
Also, OP what point level are you asking about?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/12 13:30:50
Subject: competitive blood angles army
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Gor with Big Horns
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So this is the Competitive I run in most turneys. I dont have exact points on this, but this is a round about....
x2 Lv1 Libby (Shield, Fear)
x3 Assault Squad minus packs of 5 with melta in LasPlas Rhino
x2 Assault Squad minus packs of 5 with melta in AC in Rhino
x2 AC HB Baal
x1 FS HF Baal
x2 Vindis
x1 AC HB Pred
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/12 14:39:59
Subject: Re:competitive blood angles army
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Crushing Clawed Fiend
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Personally I would take as many vehicles as you can. Like 3 bhaal perdators, and either 1 predator, and 2 vindicators, or 2 predators and 1 vindicator. Then add what you want for troops (drop pod assault squads, or jump pack assault squads. As much as I think they are cool I would stay away from death company, just too expensive.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/12 16:00:43
Subject: competitive blood angles army
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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evildrcheese wrote:
Could you expand on this please. I run a BA force that isn't the 'AV13 Wall' and am curious to see how it works.
It strikes me that with only 3 slots in the heavy we can't really mix Vindis and tri-las preds and we should take 3 of one or the other. Taking 3 of these also mean we can take a Stormraven.
What about troops for these lists - would you 5 man Assault Squads with a dedicated Transport?ala the old Razorspam lists or maybe take tac squads with the razors. If its a mobile tank lists would a libby on a bike be good for casting on tanks?
Now my perspective is not from that of a BA player, but one who regularly plays multiple different BA lists.
The toughest opponent I've come across plays the AV13 wall, in the 1500-1850pts level. He runs 2 Vindicators and 2 Baals with a Tri-las pred as fire support. That Tri-las gets pretty much ignored by most players due to the other 4 things moving forward.
Two of the players bring Stormravens, but against my lists they generally don't last long, and gernally don't do much. I find the AV13 wall much harder to deal with than a Stormraven or two.
ASMs and TACs generally are the troop choices usually in a split but more often without Razorbacks. Drop pods and no transport are the most common.
It works pretty well, being fast vehicles and drop pod ASMs, everything gets all up in your face so fast that it's difficult to deal with. DOA lists are laughably weak. Jumper lists are easy to deal with too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/12 16:23:52
Subject: competitive blood angles army
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Dour Wolf Priest with Iron Wolf Amulet
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I was under the impression Furioso Librarians were mastery level 1?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/12 17:06:04
Subject: competitive blood angles army
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Sneaky Lictor
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They may be, I don't have my books in front of me.
I fund the TriLaz a extreme waste of points. Why not just play AC/ LC Pred? Just my opinion though. Putting ASM in Razorbacks with Plasma and LC sneaking shots through your AV13 wall. With all of our stuff being fast we can though down a lot of fire pretty quickly.
I see no one has mentioned bikes yet so I will. Bikes being T5 are the way to go now. Harder to hit, Jink save, can access FnP though a Priest on a bike, has access to MM or HB, and they aren't all that expensive either. They can be pretty nasty in a group, and they take up a FA slot which I think is ironically our weakest slot. You can have up to 3 Attack bikes and still field 2 Baal Preds ss/ HB. Use the bike to crack something open with their MM, move the Baal/Vind up to shot whatever got out.
You'll be picking up their models before they even get a go.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/12 17:17:59
Subject: competitive blood angles army
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I am firmly in agreement with the AV13 wall concept. I want to add that Furiosos are also AV13, and are pretty amazing, so at a high enough points level you could get 9 AV13 vehicles in 1 FOC (not counting DC Dreads).
As for bikes...I foolishly sold mine before I really got started with the Blood Angels. Just from the stand point of theory, they are clearly amazing. I hope to acquire and use some soon.
For troops, I have also been lured towards Razorbacks. They're the best of some uninspiring options.
I like this thread though, as it confirms that I have independently come to a lot of the same conclusions as some of the more experienced and (seemingly) reasonable players regarding how to try winning with BAs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/12 17:19:12
Subject: competitive blood angles army
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
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Bikes are also nice because they don't lose the FnP effect as easily as the other units.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/12 19:23:53
Subject: competitive blood angles army
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Sneaky Lictor
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Your elite slots should probably be Sang Priest to protect your troop picks.....which win you games, but I'm not saying A Fury Dread wrecking havoc isn't. No one loves Blood Talons more than me, I mean they have blood in theor name and you know that means they are awesome.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/12 19:30:32
Subject: competitive blood angles army
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g0atsticks wrote:Your elite slots should probably be Sang Priest to protect your troop picks.....which win you games, but I'm not saying A Fury Dread wrecking havoc isn't. No one loves Blood Talons more than me, I mean they have blood in theor name and you know that means they are awesome. 
In games up to 2000 points I have never found a need for more than three Priests, often using only one or two. That leaves two Elite slots for Fragiosos to demolish enemy backfields!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/12 19:46:44
Subject: competitive blood angles army
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Sneaky Lictor
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tomjoad wrote: g0atsticks wrote:Your elite slots should probably be Sang Priest to protect your troop picks.....which win you games, but I'm not saying A Fury Dread wrecking havoc isn't. No one loves Blood Talons more than me, I mean they have blood in theor name and you know that means they are awesome. 
In games up to 2000 points I have never found a need for more than three Priests, often using only one or two. That leaves two Elite slots for Fragiosos to demolish enemy backfields!
I completly agree, I'm just saying its crazy to field 3 Fury Dreads and no Sang Priest. It just isn't my style I suppose.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/12 20:13:39
Subject: competitive blood angles army
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Great ideas flying around here. I have been humming and hawing with my BA army and oddly enough have 3 BAALs with TL AC and HB sponsons, a pair of Vindi's and a bunch of Dreadnought on frame still that I also wasn't sure what I wanted to do with.
What would be the optimal scoring unit for this army? RAS in pods or Rhinos?
Also what HQ would be optimal?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/12 20:20:33
Subject: competitive blood angles army
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Sneaky Lictor
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HQ- Libby all the way, roll on divination whith the Primary being one of the chosen. Put him on a bike for extra lulz.
I actually like TAC in a rhino, but most owuld argue that ASM are better in the Raz. I like the bolters over the bolt pistols, and deal with other armor with my armor.
NEVER DC though, they are always a point sink.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/12 20:24:27
Subject: competitive blood angles army
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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g0atsticks wrote:
I fund the TriLaz a extreme waste of points. Why not just play AC/ LC Pred?
The only benefit the AC has over a LC is being more likely to hit. The TL- LC mitigates that making it superior in every way. I'd take a TRI- LC pred even if the turret LC wasn't twin-linked.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/12 21:03:15
Subject: competitive blood angles army
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Griddlelol wrote: g0atsticks wrote:
I fund the TriLaz a extreme waste of points. Why not just play AC/ LC Pred?
The only benefit the AC has over a LC is being more likely to hit. The TL- LC mitigates that making it superior in every way. I'd take a TRI- LC pred even if the turret LC wasn't twin-linked.
Well, there's also a 45 point advantage that the auto-cannon has, which is significant. I don't have any experience yet with Heavy Support preds, so I'm not offering a preference, but tri-las is VERY expensive.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/12 21:52:16
Subject: competitive blood angles army
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Sneaky Lictor
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tomjoad wrote: Griddlelol wrote: g0atsticks wrote:
I fund the TriLaz a extreme waste of points. Why not just play AC/ LC Pred?
The only benefit the AC has over a LC is being more likely to hit. The TL- LC mitigates that making it superior in every way. I'd take a TRI- LC pred even if the turret LC wasn't twin-linked.
Well, there's also a 45 point advantage that the auto-cannon has, which is significant. I don't have any experience yet with Heavy Support preds, so I'm not offering a preference, but tri-las is VERY expensive.
isn't it expensive. 180 points. tha'ts a lot for 3 lc, one being TL. at 2k, that's 10% of your army. that's not cool. Wouldn't a stormraven just be a better purchase?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/12 21:56:49
Subject: Re:competitive blood angles army
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Crushing Clawed Fiend
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The points would be there reason i Would tak the ac/lc predator.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/12 22:03:08
Subject: competitive blood angles army
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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tomjoad wrote: Well, there's also a 45 point advantage that the auto-cannon has, which is significant. I don't have any experience yet with Heavy Support preds, so I'm not offering a preference, but tri-las is VERY expensive.
45points are worth being able to threaten AV:13 and AV:14, whilst simultaneously increasing your chance of destroying a vehicle on a pen from 1/6 to 1/3. g0atsticks wrote:Wouldn't a stormraven just be a better purchase? Better? No. They fulfil a different role. The Stormraven is an anti-flier gunship, which also provides anti-tank, however it's easier to kill if you opponent has good AA; AV:12 is significantly easier to destroy than AV:13 if your opponent has Vendettas or Stormravens of their own. Furthermore, as a Stormraven is only efficiently destroyed by AA, so your opponent will focus their AA on it. However the Trilas pred in conjunction with the AV:13 wall has more target saturation than is necessary to keep it alive. You can't bring enough Stormravens to really control the air, unlike C: SM which has the Stormtalon and Stormraven. Also the Trilas pred will contribute from turn 1 through to turn 5/6 (as long as it's alive, which it probably will be) unlike the Stormraven which will only contribute for 3-4 turns out of 5-6. Automatically Appended Next Post:
My Leman Russes thank every player who sacrifices killing power for a measly 45pts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/12 22:14:25
Subject: Re:competitive blood angles army
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g0atsticks wrote:BloodBaron wrote:Thanks I also wanted to know if it was possible to give any unit a jump pack and bolter and what psyker mastery level is a Liberian dreadnought?
Furioso Dread Mastery: LV - 2.
Try again, Furioso Librarians are Master level 1.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/13 00:36:11
Subject: competitive blood angles army
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I run a AV13 wall tonight for the first time, three baal preds AC HB's, 2 preds with AC and HB's and a vindicator, plus 3 razorbacks (TL lc las plas and asscann), a blood talon'ed furioso and fragnought, fragnought wiped out two squads then squished his captain with LC, massed assault cannon fire took out his storm raven while it was flying and vindicator took out three sang guard in one shot, I went second and claimed three objectives while tabling him turn 5 went easy as he is still a new player but wanted to show him what BA can do.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/13 00:39:01
Subject: Re:competitive blood angles army
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There's a long list of things that do work in this thread, but I want to mention what doesn't work.
First on that list is Captains. No artificier armor, no relic blades, don't make bikes scoring. Poor hitting power, poor survivability, poor duelist....just bad. You can use the model as a veteran sergeant at least.
Furioso Libby dreadnought. Too expensive, doesn't hit hard enough and too fragile for what you pay for.
On the triple las vs AC/LC predator; They are meant for different roles IMO.
The AC/LC is meant for engaging AV10-12 targets, and will suck really hard against AV13+. Leave the heavy armor for melta weapons and so forth.
The triple las is meant for engaging AV12+. Leave the soft targets for weaker weapons like assault cannons, hvy bolters, plasma...etc. The problem with triple las is that is too damn expensive for what it does. I'd much rather have 3 and a half attack bikes with multi-meltas then a triple las pred. That said, I'd expect the tri-las pred to come down in cost ~25 points in the next codex like it has in the chaos and DA books so we will have a serious discussion then. At the moment, triple las is too expensive.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/13 01:27:41
Subject: competitive blood angles army
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Sneaky Lictor
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With our ASM having access to melta guns for so cheap, and 1 d6 deep strike. Heavy armor should never be an issue. However, deep striking piece mail sucks.
Our HQ should always be a Libby; always.
The Fury Libby Dread can fly though,how awesome... a dread that moves 12 inches plus the charge. That's pretty ridiculous.
As I've said 1000 times in other threads our huge downfall is body count. We can't put up near the numbers as orks, IG, or any of the newer armies. Others do what we do better: shooting and hth.
I'll always consider BA my favorite army, and they are far from horrible. We're a surgical army, one mistake and you'll pay though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/13 04:13:29
Subject: Re:competitive blood angles army
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Calculating Commissar
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Carnage43 wrote:There's a long list of things that do work in this thread, but I want to mention what doesn't work.
First on that list is Captains. No artificier armor, no relic blades, don't make bikes scoring. Poor hitting power, poor survivability, poor duelist....just bad. You can use the model as a veteran sergeant at least.
Furioso Libby dreadnought. Too expensive, doesn't hit hard enough and too fragile for what you pay for.
I don't know, I really like taking one with my IG army. It provides access to divination and puts a dread in my backfield to discourage anyone from deep striking in flamethrowers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/13 04:32:54
Subject: Re:competitive blood angles army
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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Happygrunt wrote: Carnage43 wrote:There's a long list of things that do work in this thread, but I want to mention what doesn't work.
First on that list is Captains. No artificier armor, no relic blades, don't make bikes scoring. Poor hitting power, poor survivability, poor duelist....just bad. You can use the model as a veteran sergeant at least.
Furioso Libby dreadnought. Too expensive, doesn't hit hard enough and too fragile for what you pay for.
I don't know, I really like taking one with my IG army. It provides access to divination and puts a dread in my backfield to discourage anyone from deep striking in flamethrowers.
You take a furioso libby dread for back field divination? Why? And with which other BA units?
Why not roll with a terminator libby w/storm shield and toss him in a blob/squad? Hell, you could make him level 2, and it would still likely be cheaper then your libby dread, and WAY less vulnerable. Sure, it might discourage some deep strikes, but it's going to attract suicide melta as well. Not to mention you still need an HQ and troop to even take it. You could roll with an assault squad and libby, or tactical squad and libby and save almost 200 points while still getting the same divination support. Personally I like to roll with GK allies, Cotaez, henchmen/strikers/terminators and dreadknights bring some interesting toys to IG.
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