if the emperor, the gods of chaos, the eldar gods, and gork/mork got into a fight, who would win?

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**ALEXisAWESOME**

Has a chaos god ever been put in a pokeball? Have almost all of the C'tan?

Can mortals kill a chaos god? Did mortals* kill C'tan?

The C'tan are the necrons rockweilers on leashes, you expect us to believe they can ripe wholes in the universe and extinguish all life? Get with the new fluff, no matter how much infintitly worse it is.

*Lets count necrons as mortals, considerering they have souls now.

**forrestfire**

The C'tan are also explicitly stated to explode the moment you breach their necrodermis--and since mortal weaponry can do it, I doubt they would put up much of a fight at all.

Sorginak wrote:

The biggest problem with this is that GW hasn't really ever addressed other galaxies (from my recollection) except for references to Tyranids that came from outside and maybe Orks that have left the galaxy (Gork and Mork are mere children compared to the age of the C'Tan whom the Ork's [or their parent race] and Eldar were created by the old ones to fight against). It has even been hinted at that The Outsider who contains within it the latent memories and some abilities of all the C'Tan it consumed left the galaxy and became The Hive Mind or is in League with it. It stands to reason that the chaos gods plague the existence of the races of other galaxies, but it also stands to reason that other chaos gods exist in other galaxies that are different, but not the ones that the Hive Mind consumed. The Void Dragon is still only of this galaxy and may be the stronger of the C'Tan, but that is only speculation and what is known is that the Tyranids are ever-present and controlled by a universal mind that is capable of disrupting Warp Energy (and utilizing its own brand of psychic energy that is the weakness of the C'Tan) anywhere it looks and it sees everywhere the Tyranids touch simultaneously across multiple galaxies, now that is scale.

Hive Mind takes it because of all the fluff, the Hive Mind is the closest thing to an actual god while the others are just close enough to not split hairs over in the ignorance-filled war-torn wasteland of The Future Milky Way Galaxy.

From Waaaargh: Orks:

Millennia ago, a probe was sent out from Terra, its mission to reach the utmost limit of the universe. The Techpriests who built it hoped that it would someday return to its place of origin after circumnavigating the universe. The probe still sends back faint signals after 14,000 years adrift, and hasn't yet begun its return voyage (and it's uncertain if it ever will). To the utter despair of the Imperial Techpriests who monitor the incessant battery of incoming signals, many are identified as Orkish. The depressing conclusion for mankind can only be that wherever they travel in space, there's a good chance that the Orks will either have been there first or won't be long in arriving too.

**Sorginak**

Psienesis wrote:
Fortunately, the C'Tan are mostly in pieces, and the Necrons know a thing or three about kicking a star-god's ass. Though, even they are quoted as saying that the worst thing they ever did was call them "gods".

Ya, this is why I hate Mat Ward. Rules, whatever, but he literally changed the fluff of the C'tan and Necrons and weakened them as a whole with that travesty of a Codex. I know it was an agreed upon thing by the sales team at GW so they can still sell C'tan models, but having them in 40k as playable creatures is stupid or they should be Apoc 1kpt+ models. But ya, even in that codex it was a desperate effort and only a temporary solution as when each "shard" is destroyed the energy of the C'tan gets released and when the last Shard is destroyed then the C'tan will return to their true form.

**Psienesis**

I find that it actually gave the Necrons personality and made them interesting. There are still Dynasties that revere the C'Tan, but there are others who despise them for what they did to their race. Can't say I blame the Necrons too much.

**Sorginak**

Psienesis wrote:
I find that it actually gave the Necrons personality and made them interesting. There are still Dynasties that revere the C'Tan, but there are others who despise them for what they did to their race. Can't say I blame the Necrons too much.

Ya, see they weren't supposed to have personality. They were the one race that was truly evil in that they desired nothing but the destruction of all that lives. While the Tyranids are Amoral and ultimately the Chaos Gods need life to continue, out of sheer spite and hatred for life did the Necrons embark on the red harvest to destroy everything... and then Gorge Lucas' illegitimate son came and gave them the Joh Yowza treatment. I guess, ya I just have to accept that the Necrons and C'tan are not as cool as they used to be & in the interest of 6th edition allies and sales they had to be nerfed in both fluff and function.

Still though, if Malal gets a place at this round table I submit that 3rd edition C'tan do as well as there is at least one of them left in the universe.

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forrestfire wrote:

From Waaaargh: Orks:

Millennia ago, a probe was sent out from Terra, its mission to reach the utmost limit of the universe. The Techpriests who built it hoped that it would someday return to its place of origin after circumnavigating the universe. The probe still sends back faint signals after 14,000 years adrift, and hasn't yet begun its return voyage (and it's uncertain if it ever will). To the utter despair of the Imperial Techpriests who monitor the incessant battery of incoming signals, many are identified as Orkish. The depressing conclusion for mankind can only be that wherever they travel in space, there's a good chance that the Orks will either have been there first or won't be long in arriving too.

The nearest spiral galaxy is the Andromeda galaxy. It's about 2.5 million light years away, which means it's a 2.5 million year trip if you could travel the speed of light. Those probes haven't even left the outer rim of the galaxy if they are in any way able to report back on the state of planets and life on them; more of a side project that will take till the end of time than an actual way of mapping the races of the universe.

**forrestfire**

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forrestfire wrote:

From Waaaargh: Orks:

Millennia ago, a probe was sent out from Terra, its mission to reach the utmost limit of the universe. The Techpriests who built it hoped that it would someday return to its place of origin after circumnavigating the universe. The probe still sends back faint signals after 14,000 years adrift, and hasn't yet begun its return voyage (and it's uncertain if it ever will). To the utter despair of the Imperial Techpriests who monitor the incessant battery of incoming signals, many are identified as Orkish. The depressing conclusion for mankind can only be that wherever they travel in space, there's a good chance that the Orks will either have been there first or won't be long in arriving too.

The nearest spiral galaxy is the Andromeda galaxy. It's about 2.5 million light years away, which means it's a 2.5 million year trip if you could travel the speed of light. Those probes haven't even left the outer rim of the galaxy if they are in any way able to report back on the state of planets and life on them; more of a side project that will take till the end of time than an actual way of mapping the races of the universe.

Except that at the time it was sent, they had not only warp technology, but the Emperor and all of the archeotech they would ever want. I don't see why you think that it would be at sublight speeds.

**Sorginak**

forrestfire wrote:
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forrestfire wrote:

From Waaaargh: Orks:

Millennia ago, a probe was sent out from Terra, its mission to reach the utmost limit of the universe. The Techpriests who built it hoped that it would someday return to its place of origin after circumnavigating the universe. The probe still sends back faint signals after 14,000 years adrift, and hasn't yet begun its return voyage (and it's uncertain if it ever will). To the utter despair of the Imperial Techpriests who monitor the incessant battery of incoming signals, many are identified as Orkish. The depressing conclusion for mankind can only be that wherever they travel in space, there's a good chance that the Orks will either have been there first or won't be long in arriving too.

The nearest spiral galaxy is the Andromeda galaxy. It's about 2.5 million light years away, which means it's a 2.5 million year trip if you could travel the speed of light. Those probes haven't even left the outer rim of the galaxy if they are in any way able to report back on the state of planets and life on them; more of a side project that will take till the end of time than an actual way of mapping the races of the universe.

Except that at the time it was sent, they had not only warp technology, but the Emperor and all of the archeotech they would ever want. I don't see why you think that it would be at sublight speeds.

The warp is an unreliable means of transportation, even if traveling at sub-light speeds they would have to be able to come in and go out of it to analize and report back on planets that only contain life, this takes time and the amount of AI involved would offend the Mechanicum if brought up as a solution, but I'll grant their technology is beyond almost everything other than Necron and Dark Eldar technology, and even as such if they are able to document a new planet in viable star systems every year (or even every day) for 14,000 years they still would not have even mapped out half the solar systems in this galaxy (5 billion of the 200-400 billion stars in our 110,000 light year galaxy alone in that strech) let alone one trillionth of the solar systems in the closest galaxies. So let's say they sent out 1 million of these probes, at one analyzed planet a day over 14,000 years that is still only 5 Trillian planets mapped if time/space has no meaning to their flight paths which is still only the closest 10 (best optimistic result) galaxies.

**Psienesis**

While Andromeda is the closest spiral galaxy, it is not the closest galaxy.

The Milky Way has already begun to coalesce with the Canis Major Dwarf Galaxy, and that is going on right now, M2. The heart of that galaxy is rated at being 0.025 million light-years away (so... 25,000 light-years?), with several other galaxies being well within 1 million light-years, many even below 500K light-years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nearest_galaxies

**Sorginak**

Psienesis wrote:
While Andromeda is the closest spiral galaxy, it is not the closest galaxy.

The Milky Way has already begun to coalesce with the Canis Major Dwarf Galaxy, and that is going on right now, M2. The heart of that galaxy is rated at being 0.025 million light-years away (so... 25,000 light-years?), with several other galaxies being well within 1 million light-years, many even below 500K light-years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nearest_galaxies

That list pretty much proves my scale argument. The scale of the universe is way too big for the Mechanicum or even The Emperor to map out any kind of reasonable sample size in 14,000 years considering that no technology has allowed any race to inhabit other galaxies aside from the Tyranids millions of years spent in the void and the random warp jumps of Orks.

**Furyou Miko**

Especially since black holes don't release anything, they just suck.

**timetowaste85**

The angry bum on the street wearing a dirty old overcoat that he crapped in, waving around a broken glass bottle, raving how space aliens are never gonna take him. That's your winner, right there!