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Thanks for sharing that!

Interesting news in there...

Of course, isn't just about everyone waiting for LEO?

I'm also in for Septimus and Septimus and Nero too.

[Said while shaking my fist at the sky]

MIKH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 Alpharius wrote:
Thanks for sharing that!

Interesting news in there...

Of course, isn't just about everyone waiting for LEO?

I'm also in for Septimus and Septimus and Nero too.

[Said while shaking my fist at the sky]

MIKH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Leo is a freebie for Ludus Ultimus and Crassus pledges, which looks like about 350 backers, plus whoever included him as an add-on. So it's not everyone, but plenty of people are indeed waiting for that lion.

(And of course I went for every single MIKH sculpt, which means I'll get everything sometime in 2015 at this rate.)

There are at about 1/3 of backers who need a Leo (348/1088) assuming nobody added him separately which some no doubt did so hopefully they are trying to persuade MIKH to finish him first and quickly

"Persuade" might be the wrong tactic at this point... hindsight is 20/20, but obviously paying him in full upfront and seemingly without a contract containing a deadline with consequences was the wrong approach...

They really need to get leo finished that should cover most backers but even then he has to be cast so won't make the July date.

I only have Septimus on foot on my order that won't be done for July - at this stage I'd probably just swap him for one of the completed miniatures and get him later.

Another positive snippet from the comments

"Good news, our recently posted (here in comments) miniature progress report is changing. Next week we will receive a shipment with production casts of:

Hermes
Ban-Luca
Iason
Viatrix
Urbicus
Thoth
Mago
Lupa
Marcus Furius"


so collating with the previous info they're still waiting on

In production, currently being cast (Aiming for Late July Delivery):
Thoth
Otho's Shield
Bjarrhvit
Euryale

Troubleshooting:
Ur-Kek (damaged in casting, now repaired and being run again)
Zahra (trying the whip out in pewter)
Zahra and Sereqet (trying the whip out in pewter)
Aemilia (Some areas of the sculpt were too thin, they have been repaired and the mini is being run again)

On the sculpting table-
Leo
Septimus
Septimus and Nero
Hroka
Hroka and Caho-Ta

For anyone who's actually playing the game, I posted some thoughts on V0.6 rules here. Would love to get some discussion going about some of the changes...

Bases in sight on facebook

First shots off our base tooling have arrived. More photos and KS update tomorrow.
This is a quick photo of the 40mm base, the zoom level makes the texture look a bit more intense than it appears in person.



(note this is the underside)

So, why was a sweet "AR" logo needed on the underside of a base, again?

Do these double as tokens?

No idea.....

but they did have them on the resin that this plastic replaces,

and it does look cool

(and more importantly once the bases are in hand shipping is one stage closer I need more resin minis to think about putting together, one day......)

Update #64 Jun 6 2014

Base samples are in!


Hey all,

Lots to talk about, let's get cracking.

The much awaited base + token samples have arrived:

I'm very excited to be writing this! These are the first parts out of our injection mold tool. They are a medium gray to compliment the resin minis that will adorn them. The base's material thickness is about double that of a round lip base (warmachine style) and as a result the parts are a little heavier and a lot more rigid. They definitely have a nice quality feel to them.

Producing our full run of parts should take 45 days. I imagine it will be more like 2 months before we have these in our hands.



Zahra's whip:

Both forms of Zahra will be packaged with a metal whip. I've been handling this test part for a while and can say with confidence that it's much easier to assemble and pose than the original resin.



Play-test Rules tweaks:

We very much appreciate all the feedback we received in the last few weeks. Here is a (very) slightly modified play-test doc with updated language in orange:
•Arena Rex Rules 4.1

Anyone still wanting to share their input should do so within a week. We need to send the rulebook off to print now that we are on track with the bases.

Leo progress:

MIKH has been working hard to finish this mini ASAP. We really want to be able to ship this out with the other first wave products. Once the mane is to his liking, the front legs and paws will be completed, followed by the tail and chain. After the sculpt is completed it will be baked, cut, and shipped to Austin.



Thanks for being so cool everyone. We are getting close. Time to start shopping for thousands of shipping boxes and lots of packing materials.

Until next time,

-RRG

So at least two months for the bases.

I would have been OK with blank bases.

Which is what these essentially are.

Also:

His name does lend itself well to that

 Alpharius wrote:
I would have been OK with blank bases.

Which is what these essentially are.

Yeah. I'm, ah, kinda' disappointed with Red Republic for waiting to this stage to make their custom bases. Considering it's separate of the resin process anyways, they should have begun this some time ago.

They're currently just over 5 months late. With 2 months for bases, then let's say 3 weeks collectively for organizing and shipping (which seems reasonable since there's no standard starter package, and they don't seem to have the process together enough to have already organized stuff and just add the right number of bases for everyone), we're talking 8 months late for their new "wave 1."

The original intention was apparently to have resin bases (like those that shipped with Aquilla), but those proved to difficult to get consistently flat without extra messing about,

hence the switch to hard plastic which would have necessitated finding somebody to design them (they've mentioned trying different things like a full name rather than an AR logo amongst other),

then finding a company with time and space to do the tooling and casting (a single company could be doing all 3)

so while annoying I don't think it's totally their fault

I'd be more concerned with how fast they can get the rules & cards printed and assembled

(even though I'm more in it for the minis I don't see them shipping anything without them being done)

It is going to be a while still...

Creator Red Republic Games about 4 hours ago

Our production partner has estimated that we'll have our bases and tokens in late September or early October. When these plastic components arrive shipping will begin. We wait eagerly
More info in the next update.
-RRG

Also, because it is probably still relevant:

Hmm, they said 45 days to 2 months for the bases in the June 6th update... looks like it will be 3.5 - 4 months instead.

Oi Vey.

Well....they'll look good when they get to us...right?

Right?

The demo rules I played were really enjoyable, but I'm kinda' getting sick of these delays. Nice rules and sculpts aside, 10 months late is pretty serious :/

The only reason I've been mostly okay with Kingdom Death being late has been the solid communication and constant little improvements/fine tuning.

I know KS's are often late, but that doesn't excuse any specific one being so late. A quarter of a year is fine, three is rough.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
The demo rules I played were really enjoyable, but I'm kinda' getting sick of these delays. Nice rules and sculpts aside, 10 months late is pretty serious :/

The only reason I've been mostly okay with Kingdom Death being late has been the solid communication and constant little improvements/fine tuning.

I know KS's are often late, but that doesn't excuse any specific one being so late. A quarter of a year is fine, three is rough.

There's also a huge diff between this one and Raging Heroes and one like KD:M.

Poots has been upfront about everything, things have been delayed to make them tangibly better (Raging heroes claims this, but we have nothing to substantiate it), and it's been consistent.

I understand the models that MIKH hasn't finished are dragging things along...but it shouldn't hinder the production of anything else. I understand that there are storage issues, etc, but I just feel like a lot of this production could have been and should be done, and they could have offered to send all of that stuff to backers while waiting for the MIKH items.

I think most backers would have understood if this would have required an additional shipping fee. I'd have paid it.

But yeah. It'll be here....eventually.

Ugh. NOT what I wanted to hear. I know I'm a more optimistic chap than some around these parts and have been clinging to the best case scenario(s) all along, but I'm now officially frustrated with this KS (not off the bandwagon, mind, but not nearly as enthusiastic as previously).

I understand that RRG isn't just delivering rewards to their backers but establishing a retail operation too and they have a vision for their game and business and don't want to compromise on anything, but 9+ months late is hard to handle. I mean, I suppose MIKH dragging his feet and the original resin bases not being perfect the first time around are out of their direct control, but it's still frustrating.

I guess the saving grace is the sculpts are awesome and the game is a lot of fun... so taking their time and making sure everything is perfect is wise for the health of the game in the long run (but annoying as hell for us early adopters).


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 cincydooley wrote:


I understand the models that MIKH hasn't finished are dragging things along...but it shouldn't hinder the production of anything else. I understand that there are storage issues, etc, but I just feel like a lot of this production could have been and should be done

I actually think they are in the midst of their production right now and are just waiting on the bases and MIKH. I think one of their in-the-comments-section updates from not too long ago showed that most of their models were in production or pre-production troubleshooting.

Er, sorry...

I meant:

I love that clip, just watched the re-make again and I even love the scene with Spock doing it

I'm actually quite excited for these miniatures, but I haven't been waiting as long as everyone else, having only added on to cincydooley's pledge.

I think that (or even waiting for retail) is the safer route to go if you're unsure about a project, obviously, or how much you really want it... sometimes a longer delay on something I Really am into doesn't bother me as much. But as you guys point out, I think it really comes down to creator interaction with backers, and if the delay is due to making the product better or the like... with little communication and at least some incompetence, I can see why backers who had been waiting a long time here would start to lose patience.

I think the end product is going to be worth it, though... and if they do indeed plan to do split shipping in say October without waiting for Mikh's items, then I'll be happy

They've not been as chatty as some, but the do share whenever they have something significant to say

(and they've put out the rules and re-done bits thanks to playtest feedback which is a good use of the extra time none of us really wanted them to need)

I think the bases just show once again that injection moulding companies are busy and wargaming KS projects are pretty minor projects for them, they may say 'oh we can do it by X', but when it comes down to it it's almost always going to be longer

I'm still really keen to get these (even if MIKH only manages to finish Leo in time)

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:


I'm still really keen to get these (even if MIKH only manages to finish Leo in time)

All kidding aside, me too, but...

A bit more info/progress

Creator Red Republic Games about 7 hours ago

Hi Tim,
The cards are finalized.
They will go off to the printer next weekend after the holiday here in the US. This vendor has never taken more than 10 days to return an order to us.
Best,
NickP

FYI...

RRG wrote:Yes , we have thousands of dice in inventory. We still need a few more Ludus Magnus dice before the faction sets are complete. When the campaign funded, we were allowed to order a maximum of 5000 dice at a time. Now that number has shrunk to 1000 dice per custom order. Still, they should be complete by the time shipping begins. If not they can be shipped separately.

RRG wrote:Regarding the rulebook: I had intended to lay it out this weekend but my house flooded, so I dealt with that instead.

I will be laying it out over the holiday weekend (this weekend is Independence Day) with a short break for BBQ.

RRG wrote:MIKH decided to restart Leo's front arms. I have new images I can share in the next update.

We are not happy about these delays.

(Insert "MIKH!!!" meme here.)

RRG wrote:Someone was mentioning contracts in the comments below. Our contracts with the base supplier do not specify dates. I don't think a manufacturer would sign a contract that penalized them for late delivery with a company as small as us. When we share projected dates regarding production of plastics we are simply forwarding the best guesses of our contact. There is no deception intended by either party.

In retrospect I ought to have abandoned producing the bases in resin sooner. That was my bad.

I'm not worried about the bases contract- but surely, they need to make a better contract with Mikh in the future (or probably, avoid using him). I can't see him getting much work in the wargaming industry after this... he's somewhat holding their project hostage and seems to have already been paid, he really needs to finish.

 RiTides wrote:
I'm not worried about the bases contract- but surely, they need to make a better contract with Mikh in the future (or probably, avoid using him). I can't see him getting much work in the wargaming industry after this... he's somewhat holding their project hostage and seems to have already been paid, he really needs to finish.

Two Words:

Roberto Chaudon.

He's a boss with monsters.