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It states that because many of the gods, and the gods after Ragnarok, are/will be mixed, racial purity is total BS. If racial mixing is good enough for the gods, isn't it good enough for everyone? The site even quotes the Voluspa, so extra points there.
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The issue here is normalization. Since WWII, Nazi-style nationalist-racist aesthetics and values have been firmly non-normative in the Western countries at least. There has been, to coin a phrase, a fairly strict swastika taboo. Thor Steiner shows that mainstream cultural artifacts can be "laced" with supposedly non-normative content. If Nazism can blend in so easily with mainstream culture, perhaps there is something wrong with mainstream culture. In Germany, I think this ties into the worries about inadequate de-Nazification.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Is this article suggesting that the US army should be dusting off it's maps of Germany?
Right-wing fringe elements always seem to get more attention than is neccesary. You only have to see the impact of the BNP in the UK. 1.2% of the national vote always sends out politicians into a panic.
Golden dawn is a better example than BNP. GD has like 7% of the vote.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: I would like to point out at that the vast majority of skinheads aren't neo facist tossers.
What? Do you mean just people with shaved heads? That I agree. But without a doubt I can say most skinheads are deplorable racist scum.
I really think this has to be a misunderstanding, as from talking to you before there's no way you're a Na-zee. But skinhead has a very specific meaning.
Automatically Appended Next Post: So I just read the Wiki. I was wrong skinheads weren't always right-wing racists. But they kinda are now. If I wear Doc Martens with my jeans tucked in with a shaved head, most people are going to think I'm a racist.
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KalashnikovMarine wrote: I would like to point out at that the vast majority of skinheads aren't neo facist tossers.
What? Do you mean just people with shaved heads? That I agree. But without a doubt I can say most skinheads are deplorable racist scum.
I really think this has to be a misunderstanding, as from talking to you before there's no way you're a Na-zee. But skinhead has a very specific meaning.
Automatically Appended Next Post: So I just read the Wiki. I was wrong skinheads weren't always right-wing racists. But they kinda are now. If I wear Doc Martens with my jeans tucked in with a shaved head, most people are going to think I'm a racist.
They still aren't. The Neo Nazis just get the most press.
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
KalashnikovMarine wrote: I would like to point out at that the vast majority of skinheads aren't neo facist tossers.
What? Do you mean just people with shaved heads? That I agree. But without a doubt I can say most skinheads are deplorable racist scum.
I really think this has to be a misunderstanding, as from talking to you before there's no way you're a Na-zee. But skinhead has a very specific meaning.
Automatically Appended Next Post: So I just read the Wiki. I was wrong skinheads weren't always right-wing racists. But they kinda are now. If I wear Doc Martens with my jeans tucked in with a shaved head, most people are going to think I'm a racist.
They still aren't. The Neo Nazis just get the most press.
Which means they get the most attention. Maybe where you are is different but if I say "I'm a skinhead now!" that means one thing.
So your point is what? People have corrupted and misinterpreted a social movement? I'm actually trying to think of a social movement that didnt gak all over their political motives.
People are not necessarily neo-nazis just because they wear Thor. It's not the clothes that make the man.
Thor gets a bad rep because it is worn by neo-nazis. The men make the clothes.
You can argue the intentions of the makers/owners of Thor separately. But even if they have no feelings towards anything neo-nazis stand for the actions by those who wear the brand taints them.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Watching this anti-nazi protest video that is always one of my favorites (just because I don't think I have ever seen the German Polizei draw their guns on people in 16 years that I lived there) I think the neo-nazis are wearing a certain brand of t-shirts:
(interesting part starts at 1:30)
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Manchu wrote: Thor Steiner shows that mainstream cultural artifacts can be "laced" with supposedly non-normative content. If Nazism can blend in so easily with mainstream culture, perhaps there is something wrong with mainstream culture. In Germany, I think this ties into the worries about inadequate de-Nazification.
Could you explain what you mean here? The way it reads at first glance is that you don't feel society is knee-jerk enough when faced with anything resembling old Fascist aesthetics or iconography, or even completely unrelated aesthetics/iconography that happen to have been adopted by/become popular with universally reviled and marginalized parties or groups, but this doesn't really seem to line up with the rest of the post.
If that happened to be spot on: society is extremely knee-jerk in responding to these sorts of things, and it seems rather counter-productive to let a failed, antiquated ideology dictate what's aesthetically acceptable so strongly (if only through giving them the power to irreparably taint any given image at will). Thor Steiner seems pretty clearly involved in cultivating extremists as its primary demographic, however, though their ability to sew iconography onto modern clothing doesn't really reflect on a failing of modern clothing...
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While Nazi's are scumbags, I think Germany is way too heavy handed in their attempts to suppress any and all forms of Nazisim. They're really just jumping at shadows 95% of the time.
Plus its dangerously close to freedom of speech suppression.
While a Nazi may be completely wrong, he does still have the right to his beliefs and expressing them within reason. Simply wearing a swastika or other symbols is within reason IMO. Having a shirt with explicitly racist slurs would not be.
That video really just seemed like deliberate provocation. The protestors were deliberatly attempting to get a reaction out of those guys there, and they succeeded. Slightly disturbing is the police not attempting to diffuse the situation, but rather waiting for the nazi dudes to make a move.
Of course that could be just the way the video was filming and not showing the whole picture.
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Grey Templar wrote: While Nazi's are scumbags, I think Germany is way too heavy handed in their attempts to suppress any and all forms of Nazisim. They're really just jumping at shadows 95% of the time.
Plus its dangerously close to freedom of speech suppression.
While a Nazi may be completely wrong, he does still have the right to his beliefs and expressing them within reason. Simply wearing a swastika or other symbols is within reason IMO. Having a shirt with explicitly racist slurs would not be.
To be honest, and I say that as a German that grew up in Germany and somebody who has been exposed to all of this:
There is not really any difference between wearing a swastika in Germany and wearing a shirt that says "die in a gas chamber all you Jews, Homosexuals, Gypsies and Blacks". The message is simply the same. You can argue all you want about how Hitler & Co ruined the meaning of the swastika for everyone there, but that is just how it is.
That video really just seemed like deliberate provocation. The protestors were deliberatly attempting to get a reaction out of those guys there, and they succeeded. Slightly disturbing is the police not attempting to diffuse the situation, but rather waiting for the nazi dudes to make a move.
Of course that could be just the way the video was filming and not showing the whole picture.
Well, from what I know about the story the protesters did have a permit to march on that street and since it was an anti-Nazi protest they did walk by a pro-Nazi building on purpose. They did provoke and the neo-nazis did react (imagine that provoking angry guys would result in them becoming angry). There was really nothing for the Polizei to prevent as long as the protesters were just talking and chanting, freedom of speech and all that. After the neo-nazis did try to attack and the Polizei stopped them you could hear something being thrown at the nazis and at this point the Polizei did take up position in front of the building facing the crowd (who was becoming the aggressor at this point) and telling them that they need to move along and leave.
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Which I find to be a major overreaction.
Seriously, its been almost 70 years. Maybe its time to get over it?
And my issue is one of principle. If you truly believe in freedom of speech, you can't suppress another person's views because you disagree with them. If you start making exceptions to this freedom you can end with a slipperly slope towards totalitarianisim. "everyone has the right to freedom of speech and viewpoint, except Nazis. and Communisits. and Muslims. and Christians. and Bronies. and Rentistoodamnhigh-icrats etc..."
Who decides where that line is drawn? If it becomes a consensus of the majority it is a form or persecution that could be turned on anyone the majority feels is socially unacceptable.
Edit: Ok, as long as the police weren't taking sides.
Of course I as an issuer of the permit wouldn't permit a protest march to go along a route that would knowingly cross paths with the opposition, especially on an issue that is likely to result in violence. Thats just the height of stupidity, and could be seen as the establishment using the protest to further a political agenda(driving the Nazis away using protesters)
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Seriously, its been almost 70 years. Maybe its time to get over it?
I don't even have anything. Really? Just really. Get over it? I don't even.. Stepping away before I get banned. Knock yourself out trying to defend that Grey.
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What? I'm just saying Nazis have a right to their beliefs as well. Just like you and I have the right to believe that they are scum not fit to breath the same air.
Excessivly suppressing that right is somewhat hypocritical in a supposedly enlightened society that allows for freedom of expression.
Saying Nazis don't have a right to their beliefs makes you just as bad as they are IMO.
Do the Nazis have the right to act on all their beliefs? No way, just like nobody is allowed to 100% act on their beliefs(which is what Anarchy is)
Germany, and many places in the world, have supressed Nazisim to where its practically criminal to be one. Thats wrong IMO.
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Watching this anti-nazi protest video that is always one of my favorites (just because I don't think I have ever seen the German Polizei draw their guns on people in 16 years that I lived there)
That video is intense! I don't think I've even seen any of the Polizei put their hand on their gun, much less actually draw. I've seen German riot police in full gear in Munich and Berlin and I knew they wouldn't mess around if the gak hit the fan, but it was always pretty low key. They pretty much just stood around and kept and eye on things. Most of the time they would just be chatting with people in the crowd. That video definitely takes the cake. It's hilarious how fast the skinheads with baseball bats back down.
Yeah, but the police were way too close for it to be any sort of sure thing of their guns having the advantage. probably why they did draw so quickly.
Isn't it something like 10 feet that a person can cross before most people can draw a pistol from the holster?
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