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Hey Guys!
So I have hit a bit of a road block with my list making.
I need another HQ but I don't have the points for one more CCS, I wanted to try out
some of the other guys.
Sooooo I came up with two possible choices.
Either

Lord Commissar
+ Carapace, PW

OR

Primaris Psyker
+ Rolling on the Bio or Pyro tables or just using the sweet, sweet Force Lightning.

So I have enough points for either one, I'm just not sure which would be better for supporting my army.
My boys are tuned for close to medium range firefights, so assaults very likely, and I need a strong support unit
which one do you guys think would be best?

Blob or meck? commie for blob and psyker for meck

The psyker is a midrange monster, but you might get more use out of The Lord Commisar.

Whats the rest of your list look like?

You've got to find at least 95 points to make a lord commissar worth it, whether it's with a power fist and a plasma pistol or carapace, or a pair of plasma pistols and meltabombs, or whatever. It's not really worth it to waste 85 points on a lord commissar only to give him a power weapon. That would be much better spent on a CCS with 3 plasma guns, or a lascannon and a standard or something.

The thing you get with a lord commissar is concentrated killing power on a more flexible frame. If all you want is a cheap HQ, then you should take the option that doesn't have the ability or necessity to throw points at it.

 Ailaros wrote:
You've got to find at least 95 points to make a lord commissar worth it, whether it's with a power fist and a plasma pistol or carapace, or a pair of plasma pistols and meltabombs, or whatever.

Why? Why do you need to pile on additional equipment? Obviously you can if your role for the commissar involves direct combat, but if you just want the leadership bubble additional equipment is just wasting points.

The thing you get with a lord commissar is concentrated killing power on a more flexible frame.

And leadership bonuses.

Well, you could spend 75 points for a CCS with a standard that gives you everything that you really need with leadership (sans passing orders better). For rather cheaper. AND you get orders.

Meanwhile, spending BASE 70 points for the same thing with less synergy - spending that many points on something that's BS5 and WS5, and doesn't run in close combat - and then not giving it a few relatively cheap weapon upgrades is like throwing down $60,000 on a sports car and then refusing to pay for gas to actually drive it anywhere.

Put another way, it would be like if there was a version of a Leman Russ that only cost 120 points, but had no turret weapon. It doesn't make sense to spend all those points on carrier cost unless it can actually do some damage.

Actually, a better analogy is to compare a lord commissar to a vet squad. Both cost 70 points. Both have some usefulness regardless of what weapons they take, and both can take some pretty nice kit for about 100 points total. How many people do you see run veteran squads with no special or heavy weapons? It makes no sense at all.

Especially, to bring it back to HQ choices, when you compare it to the psyker, who, for the same base price, gets to shoot 2D6 S6 shots per turn, or who can fish for some pretty decent TK abilities, or whatever.

 Ailaros wrote:
Well, you could spend 75 points for a CCS with a standard that gives you everything that you really need with leadership (sans passing orders better). For rather cheaper. AND you get orders.

If you don't mind having your leadership boost tied to a 5-man unit with no real defense instead of at the back of a nice infantry blob then sure.

Put another way, it would be like if there was a version of a Leman Russ that only cost 120 points, but had no turret weapon. It doesn't make sense to spend all those points on carrier cost unless it can actually do some damage.

Except that:

1) The commissar offers leadership boosts, while the turretless LR offers nothing.

2) There's no mandatory heavy support slot that has to be filled before you can take other units, while there is a mandatory HQ slot.

 MrKleen wrote:
Hey Guys!
So I have hit a bit of a road block with my list making.
I need another HQ but I don't have the points for one more CCS, I wanted to try out
some of the other guys.

A CCS is cheaper than either. You are not required to take any upgrades, but you can pick and choose. Regiment standard, special weapons, heavy weapons, whatever.
50 points for 7 wounds and 5 BS4 modes is a steal with all those special rules

A Primaris Psyker is usually the go-to because players are taking Space Marine characters that are battle brothers and can join Guard blobs. Because these characters confer ATSKNF or Fearless, a Lord Commissar is redundant. The Primaris is a bit boom or bust, but with the right powers, it can be a huge boost.

A Lord Commissar is the go-to for armies that want to take IG, but can't attach a character to the blob. CSM, Daemons, Tau, Eldar ect. The leadership boost is very solid. I'd disagree with upgrading the Commissar--just keep him cheap and hide him.

While the CCS is a solid HQ choice, when taking blobs (really, the best use of IG right now), the CCS just doesn't stack up. It is far too easy to kill off 5 GEQ models.

I really like the Lord Commissar when I'm using sabre platforms and medusa/earthshaker siege cannons. Not only does he stop them running, but he also provides a WS5 powerfist near by in a blob.
I so rarely take CC upgrades on my IG characters, but being an IC who's immune to challenges and practically immune to being killed while in a blob, that 15pt upgrade is a steal.

Thank you guys for all the feedback!
I have been thinking about it and i would think
the Psyker would be a better choice, if only
for the fact that I don't need to pour points into him, and
that lets me get some more guys on the field...
But I was just about to post my army list if you guys would mind giving me a bit more advice (and more accurate, should have done it earlier).