Stubenville rape case comes to an end

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**LordofHats**

STEUBENVILLE, Ohio (AP) — Two Ohio high school football players who were found guilty of raping a drunken 16-year-old girl have been sentenced to at least one year in juvenile jail.

Steubenville High School students Trent Mays and Ma'Lik Richmond were found guilty Sunday of attacking the girl after an alcohol-fueled party last August. The case roiled the small city and stirred reaction from activists online.

The judge sentenced them both to at least one year in juvenile jail and said both can be held until they're 21. Mays, who's 17, was sentenced to an additional year in jail on a charge of illegal use of a minor in nudity-oriented material, to be served after his rape sentence is completed.

Both Mays and the 16-year-old Richmond have been ordered to avoid contact with the victim until they're 21.

Not sure what's more shocking. That so many people knew about what was happening at the time and found nothing weird about it, or that they might be out in a year? Anyone know what the chances of that are? Will they definitely be out at 21? Five years still seems kind of lenient for rape.

**hotsauceman1**

One year? That is a slap on the wrist.
Oh well, they will never get a job bcause of this. It is all over the internet and a quick google search from their employers will find some nice stuff.

**Kilkrazy**

Why is the term of the sentence not stated?

It sounds as if they have been sentenced to between one and five years.

**Relapse**

They should have been tried as adults. One year is an insult to the victim and her family.
Having seen such things in the past, they have a shot or two of getting out before the completion of sentence.
I hope if it's worth it, the victim's family sues the parents of the rapists for everything they have or pursues some other legal option against them.
Right now I'm so pissed I can barely type or think straight, so apologies if what I just put down is illogical.

**deathholydeath**

Relapse wrote:
They should have been tried as adults. One year is an insult to the victim and her family.
Having seen such things in the past, they have a shot or two of getting out before the completion of sentence.
I hope if it's worth it, the victim's family sues the parents of the rapists for everything they have or pursues some other legal option against them.
Right now I'm so pissed I can barely type or think straight, so apologies if what I just put down is illogical.

I certainly hope they pursue it in civil court. Mays and Richmond should be paying for this the rest of their lives.
I have to say I'm a little appalled they weren't tried as adults. I've heard of scores of kids who get prosecuted in adult court for stuff that's relatively small change in comparison to this. But maybe I shouldn't be. Privilege buys a lot.

**KalashnikovMarine**

I concur it's down right offensive they weren't tried as adults for this crime, and the sentence handed down certainly sounds like they got off easy. They still have a felony rap sheet now though and that will follow them for the rest of their lives.

**chaos0xomega**

Im just going to say it ... "Some girls rape easy." The fact that she was intoxicated and therefore incapable of legally offering consent just furthers that point. Ive known one or two "rapists" who really did nothing wrong other than sleep with a rather willing drunk teenage girl who changed her mind about things the next morning.

Edited to point out, so we can avoid more flaming, that this poster has since read about the case, and retracted these comments. -Mannahnin

**Happygrunt**

chaos0xomega wrote:
Im just going to say it ... "Some girls rape easy." The fact that she was intoxicated and therefore incapable of legally offering consent just furthers that point. Ive known one or two "rapists" who really did nothing wrong other than sleep with a rather willing drunk teenage girl who changed her mind about things the next morning.

And that is no excuse. The man should have used better judgement then. If, legally, she cannot give consent, then don't go forward.

One year is unacceptable. Although they will never get a job, one year in prison is a joke.

**Sigvatr**

1 year for a rape? That's ridiculous. Can the victim object to the verdict and have it re-trialed before a higher instance?

If I was her dad, I'd wait for these guys to be released and made sure they'd never be able to rape anyone again.

**LordofHats**

chaos0xomega wrote:
Im just going to say it ... "Some girls rape easy." The fact that she was intoxicated and therefore incapable of legally offering consent just furthers that point. Ive known one or two "rapists" who really did nothing wrong other than sleep with a rather willing drunk teenage girl who changed her mind about things the next morning.

There's saying a girl was foolish in her behavior when she made some poor choices that had an unfortunate outcome... And then there's this...

**Dreadclaw69**

LordofHats wrote:
Not sure what's more shocking. That so many people knew about what was happening at the time and found nothing weird about it, or that they might be out in a year? Anyone know what the chances of that are? Will they definitely be out at 21? Five years still seems kind of lenient for rape.

Look at what happened with Sandusky at Penn State. There is truth to the saying that all it takes for evil to succeed is for a few good men to do nothing. Is the reason that their sentence is so low because they were tried as juveniles? I do think that a year is too lenient, especially as their records might be sealed after their sentence is served.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Im just going to say it ... "Some girls rape easy." The fact that she was intoxicated and therefore incapable of legally offering consent just furthers that point. Ive known one or two "rapists" who really did nothing wrong other than sleep with a rather willing drunk teenage girl who changed her mind about things the next morning.

That is a pretty vile perspective.

**Relapse**

KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I concur it's down right offensive they weren't tried as adults for this crime, and the sentence handed down certainly sounds like they got off easy. They still have a felony rap sheet now though and that will follow them for the rest of their lives.

Juvinile records get sealed once they get past 18, so there probably won't be a felony rap sheet on this.

**Kanluwen**

Dreadclaw69 wrote:
LordofHats wrote:
Not sure what's more shocking. That so many people knew about what was happening at the time and found nothing weird about it, or that they might be out in a year? Anyone know what the chances of that are? Will they definitely be out at 21? Five years still seems kind of lenient for rape.

Look at what happened with Sandusky at Penn State. There is truth to the saying that all it takes for evil to succeed is for a few good men to do nothing. Is the reason that their sentence is so low because they were tried as juveniles? I do think that a year is too lenient, especially as their records might be sealed after their sentence is served.

Sandusky at Penn State was not simply a case of "a few good men doing nothing". It was a case of a systemic cover-up of a scandal.

The "reason their sentence is so low" very likely would not be because they were tried as juveniles, since sexual assaults very rarely get tried as anything except adults. Without knowing every single detail of the case I could not speculate.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Im just going to say it ... "Some girls rape easy." The fact that she was intoxicated and therefore incapable of legally offering consent just furthers that point. Ive known one or two "rapists" who really did nothing wrong other than sleep with a rather willing drunk teenage girl who changed her mind about things the next morning.

That is a pretty vile perspective.

It might sound vile, but it is not unheard of for "the rape card" to be used. The Duke Lacrosse case is a very prolific example of this. Mike Nifong was scum and used the case as a stepstone for political gains. Thankfully he is now disbarred.

**Palindrome**

KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I concur it's down right offensive they weren't tried as adults for this crime

If they aren't adults then why try them as adults?

**Kanluwen**

Palindrome wrote:
KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I concur it's down right offensive they weren't tried as adults for this crime

If they aren't adults then why try them as adults?

Certain crimes are primarily tried as adults unless the accused are really underage (or in some cases, lacking in mental faculties).
Sexual assaults are one of those crimes.

**Relapse**

chaos0xomega wrote:
Im just going to say it ... "Some girls rape easy." The fact that she was intoxicated and therefore incapable of legally offering consent just furthers that point. Ive known one or two "rapists" who really did nothing wrong other than sleep with a rather willing drunk teenage girl who changed her mind about things the next morning.

I know what you're getting at here, but when a person, such as your friends, puts themselves in an enviornment party, date, etc. with that kind of potential, they need to get themselves to hell out of there before things go that far or at least make sure they have a minder or two if they plan on getting drunk and finding themselves doing something stupid.
If the friends you talk of don't at least have the excuse of being drunk then they have my contempt as if they were talking about legtimate rape.

**Surtur**

Kilkrazy wrote:
Why is the term of the sentence not stated?

It sounds as if they have been sentenced to between one and five years.

They've been convicted, but not sentenced yet as far as I can tell.

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chaos0xomega wrote:
Im just going to say it ... "Some girls rape easy." The fact that she was intoxicated and therefore incapable of legally offering consent just furthers that point. Ive known one or two "rapists" who really did nothing wrong other than sleep with a rather willing drunk teenage girl who changed her mind about things the next morning.

He said she said cases are usually not successful. Your friends probably denied contact with the girl and/or lied to investigators, meaning they screwed themselves.

**Dreadclaw69**

Kanluwen wrote:

Sandusky at Penn State was not simply a case of "a few good men doing nothing". It was a case of a systemic cover-up of a scandal.

Sorry, I wasn't trying to link what happened to Penn States with the saying. I should have made that clearer to avoid confusion.

It might sound vile, but it is not unheard of for "the rape card" to be used.

And its not unheard of for some men to act in a predatory manner towards woman who are clearly intoxicated past the point were they could reasonably give consent because they know of the difficulty in prosecuting the case. The question is, which is more common?

**Howard A Treesong**

chaos0xomega wrote:
Im just going to say it ... "Some girls rape easy." The fact that she was intoxicated and therefore incapable of legally offering consent just furthers that point. Ive known one or two "rapists" who really did nothing wrong other than sleep with a rather willing drunk teenage girl who changed her mind about things the next morning.

I thought your ramblings in the Falklands thread were pretty ignorant but here it's clear you are actually a grade A gakker.

**Grey Templar**

I knew we'd blame the victim eventually.

But 6 posts in isn't even our best. Come on Dakka, we're slipping.

The only way the victim is actually at fault is abusing alcohol beyond her ability to handle it. Everything else is the fault of the assailents.

**Sigvatr**

There's a difference between seeing an opportunity and taking it.

**dogma**

chaos0xomega wrote:
Im just going to say it ... "Some girls rape easy." The fact that she was intoxicated and therefore incapable of legally offering consent just furthers that point.

Not really. If she was unable to offer consent, then anyone who was not similarly impaired should be aware that taking advantage of such a state is bad.

chaos0xomega wrote:

Ive known one or two "rapists" who really did nothing wrong other than sleep with a rather willing drunk teenage girl who changed her mind about things the next morning.

And I've known people that refrained from criticizing the behavior of their friends.

**Grey Templar**

Absolutly.

**Mr. Burning**

Relapse wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
Im just going to say it ... "Some girls rape easy." The fact that she was intoxicated and therefore incapable of legally offering consent just furthers that point. Ive known one or two "rapists" who really did nothing wrong other than sleep with a rather willing drunk teenage girl who changed her mind about things the next morning.

I know what you're getting at here, but when a person, such as your friends, puts themselves in an enviornment party, date, etc. with that kind of potential, they need to get themselves to hell out of there before things go that far or at least make sure they have a minder or two if they plan on getting drunk and finding themselves doing something stupid.
If the friends you talk of don't at least have the excuse of being drunk then they have my contempt as if they were talking about legtimate rape.

+1.

Chaos "friends" are pretty contemptable.

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Grey Templar wrote:

The only way the victim is actually at fault is abusing alcohol beyond her ability to handle it. Everything else is the fault of the assailents.

The fault purely lies at the feet of the perps.

**Cheesecat**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
One year? That is a slap on the wrist.
Oh well, they will never get a job bcause of this. It is all over the internet and a quick google search from their employers will find some nice stuff.

I disagree I think one year is enough that's 365 days or 8765.81 hours that's a really long time to be living in such a restrictive environment and think about your mistakes.

**Dreadclaw69**

Cheesecat wrote:
I disagree I think one year is enough that's 365 days or 8765.81 hours that's a really long time to be living in such a restrictive environment and think about your mistakes.

And how long will the victim have to deal with what was inflicted upon her and how long might that impact upon her ability to interact with others?

**MeanGreenStompa**

chaos0xomega wrote:
Im just going to say it ... "Some girls rape easy." The fact that she was intoxicated and therefore incapable of legally offering consent just furthers that point. Ive known one or two "rapists" who really did nothing wrong other than sleep with a rather willing drunk teenage girl who changed her mind about things the next morning.

No, women have exactly the same right to go out to a party, enjoy it, drink too much, party too much and wake up the next morning with a headache as a man.

You're touting the same horse gak as 'she wore a short skirt so she deserves it'. No means fething no. You do not sanctions the attack, humiliation and abuse of a young woman because she had the audacity to go out and drink beer, we aren't in fething Saudi Arabia.

You comment is juvenile, misogynistic and repugnant. I hope you might one day leave the 15th century but until that time, welcome to ignore.If this upsets you, go have a beer or two with your 'rapist' buddies, just be careful they don't bugger you and remember if they do, you brought it on yourself by consuming alcohol.

**Cheesecat**

Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Cheesecat wrote:
I disagree I think one year is enough that's 365 days or 8765.81 hours that's a really long time to be living in such a restrictive environment and think about your mistakes.

And how long will the victim have to deal with what was inflicted upon her and how long might that impact upon her ability to interact with others?

I have no fething idea I'm not going to pretend that I have in depth knowledge or understanding of how rape victims cope with life, beside what does that have anything to do with this I'm talking about the criminal's punishment not about the victim and ideally I would rather see a more

Scandinavian inspired system that empathizes rehabilitation but one year imprisonment works for me too.

**Bride of Stompa**

chaos0xomega wrote:
Im just going to say it ... "Some girls rape easy." The fact that she was intoxicated and therefore incapable of legally offering consent just furthers that point. Ive known one or two "rapists" who really did nothing wrong other than sleep with a rather willing drunk teenage girl who changed her mind about things the next morning.

EDIT: Posts containing no original content, just a gif or other image, are considered spam on Dakka. If we allow folks to just communicate with them it has a bad tendency to go back and forth like that, in place of a real discussion with words. Thanks for your attention. -Mannahnin

**MrDwhitey**

It is such a terrible shame that these young stars have had such promising careers ruined.