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"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it."
- Col. Jeff Cooper
Utter bollocks. Mr. Tiananmen Square didn't have an anti-tank cannon or something last time I looke, and Gandhi didn't have ancient Hindu doomsday weapons (or did he?). The most valiant action is, in my opinion, to put yourself in harm's way for your fellow human beings despite having no conceivable way of winning. It takes courage of a type I'm sad to say I'll probably never possess.
The gentleman from Tiananmen Square was later arrested and executed. Fat lot of good his bravery did him, and his country hasn't changed all that much.
Can we stop pretending we know that he was executed when no one even knows who he is? It's getting kinda silly, especially seeing as that very argument has already been countered once.
For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back.
On another track, I've been talking more with my cousin, seeing what I can do for kids around here in bad situations. It surprises me what can be done, by way of being a mentor or even just going to a home for kids that have been abused.
Currently, I'm doing some leg work for the company I work for to see what it can do to help the situation.
I was troubled as hell about what I heard from my cousin and decided I can't let this stuff slide without trying to help somehow.
hotsauceman1 wrote: I agree, That in certain situations, such as civil rights. Non-violent confrontation can be used. But it depends on the situation. the police turning fire hoses and dogs on unarmed civilians looks bad. It wouldnt if they wherent unarmed.
Passive aggresivness can work, in context.
But even the Civil Rights movement in America wasn't truly disarmed. groups like the Deacons, the original Black Panther party, Dr. King himself had weapons, the black community was armed and fighting back, non-violent Ghandi-esque protest is what won the day but they wouldn't have made it to the day without standing up for themselves, and illegally taking up arms. The laws of the day were designed to make sure that African Americans could not be armed, and could not be defend themselves.
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
hotsauceman1 wrote: Is it possible to hear about what you heard? Or do you not feel comfortable releasing it.
It was pretty grim and subhuman stuff he had to deal with for 35 years. I'll mention here a small part of what he told that involved a 9 year old
who was hung on the wall by his father and burned with cigarettes. The father also prostituted the boy to his friends at two dollars a go. It involved so many people in the community that the Prosecutor told him the case would fall apart in court.
That he worked and fought in such an arena for so many years dealing with that and far worse staggers me.
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it."
- Col. Jeff Cooper
Utter bollocks. Mr. Tiananmen Square didn't have an anti-tank cannon or something last time I looke, and Gandhi didn't have ancient Hindu doomsday weapons (or did he?). The most valiant action is, in my opinion, to put yourself in harm's way for your fellow human beings despite having no conceivable way of winning. It takes courage of a type I'm sad to say I'll probably never possess.
The gentleman from Tiananmen Square was later arrested and executed. Fat lot of good his bravery did him, and his country hasn't changed all that much.
Can we stop pretending we know that he was executed when no one even knows who he is? It's getting kinda silly, especially seeing as that very argument has already been countered once.
Symbolically speaking they killed the idea of him. He is the most famous representation of those protests in which hundreds or thousands of like minded people were killed by the Chinese government. The fact that we don't know his name or specific fate is less important perhaps than the many others of similar thinking that were killed.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Is it possible to hear about what you heard? Or do you not feel comfortable releasing it.
It was pretty grim and subhuman stuff he had to deal with for 35 years. I'll mention here a small part of what he told that involved a 9 year old
who was hung on the wall by his father and burned with cigarettes. The father also prostituted the boy to his friends at two dollars a go. It involved so many people in the community that the Prosecutor told him the case would fall apart in court.
That he worked and fought in such an arena for so many years dealing with that and far worse staggers me.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Is it possible to hear about what you heard? Or do you not feel comfortable releasing it.
It was pretty grim and subhuman stuff he had to deal with for 35 years. I'll mention here a small part of what he told that involved a 9 year old
who was hung on the wall by his father and burned with cigarettes. The father also prostituted the boy to his friends at two dollars a go. It involved so many people in the community that the Prosecutor told him the case would fall apart in court.
That he worked and fought in such an arena for so many years dealing with that and far worse staggers me.
Damn, And he was a social worker? Props to him.
He has to go for therapy for post traumatic stress and has had a severe toll taken on his physical health due to the stress of the job. He has saved countless children and youth from hellish circumstances.
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The gentleman from Tiananmen Square was later arrested and executed. Fat lot of good his bravery did him, and his country hasn't changed all that much.
To be fair, no one really seems to know who that guy was or what happened to him.
Can we stop pretending we know that he was executed when no one even knows who he is? It's getting kinda silly, especially seeing as that very argument has already been countered once.
Beat me to it.
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Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: Suicide's your own choice, but no one vanquished evil by giving it a hug any time recently. Least not in this reality. China's still a police state, and Mr. Tinanmen Square is probably dead or in a dark hole somewhere, and even Ghandi acknowledged that you have to fight sometimes.
And no-one vanquished the evils of social disfunction by shooting it.
I mean, fething hell, if you ever want an example of people taking up the power fantasy of the gun as a solution to the real and challenging issues of the world, your posts here are the perfect example.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
There's a time and place for different responses. My cousin vanquished a lot of evil in 35 years without coming near a gun.
I really hope this doesn't turn into a pro gun - anti gun thread because, in my mind anyway, what is going on with these and other kids out there, way overshadows all of that debate.
Can we refrain from using the terms good and evil and just tell it like it is, because the real world isn't this black and white (and get's real complicated fast) and nobody thinks they're the bad guy. This isn't the movies.
Relapse wrote: There's a time and place for different responses. My cousin vanquished a lot of evil in 35 years without coming near a gun.
I really hope this doesn't turn into a pro gun - anti gun thread because, in my mind anyway, what is going on with these and other kids out there, way overshadows all of that debate.
Absolutely. There's as wide a variety of solutions to the problems of the world as there are problems in the world. Sometimes direct force and even outright violence is the way to go - the solution to Nazism was several thousand T34s.
But it is a big mistake to just clutch a gun and pretend the power that gun gives will solve a lot of the world's problems. That's just taking the easy, power fantasy way out.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
I have a better idea. Schools should focus on teaching things like...math first. When they quit sucking so bad at that they can graduate to life lessons.
Life Lesson I: don't get faced drunk at a party unless you're with bro's (sis's???) who have your back.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
hotsauceman1 wrote: I didnt need schools to teacher me not to hit a women. My family taught me that.
Ditto. Its an amazing concept, parents actually teaching their kids something.
I've taught same. Ok with GC its more straight line: "don't take no . Don't be stupid. And always, always remember, when you make it big, Daddy needs a Vought F4U Corsair with full auto paintball machine guns, and a BMW. "
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I have a better idea. Schools should focus on teaching things like...math first. When they quit sucking so bad at that they can graduate to life lessons.
Life Lesson I: don't get faced drunk at a party unless you're with bro's (sis's???) who have your back.
I have exalted this post for sheer gloriousness and wondery.
Should one be able to trust that people around them won't violate them? Yes. Is this a perfect world? Sadly, it is not.
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hotsauceman1 wrote: I didnt need schools to teacher me not to hit a women. My family taught me that.
Ditto. Its an amazing concept, parents actually teaching their kids something.
I've taught same. Ok with GC its more straight line: "don't take no . Don't be stupid. And always, always remember, when you make it big, Daddy needs a Vought F4U Corsair with full auto paintball machine guns, and a BMW. "
It is sad how few people give these kinda of lessons to their kids. As quite possibly the only good male influence to my nephews, i have to make sure they know how to act in regards of school and girls.
hotsauceman1 wrote: I didnt need schools to teacher me not to hit a women. My family taught me that.
Ditto. Its an amazing concept, parents actually teaching their kids something.
I've taught same. Ok with GC its more straight line: "don't take no . Don't be stupid. And always, always remember, when you make it big, Daddy needs a Vought F4U Corsair with full auto paintball machine guns, and a BMW. "
It is sad how few people give these kinda of lessons to their kids. As quite possibly the only good male influence to my nephews, i have to make sure they know how to act in regards of school and girls.
To the Boy like two weeks ago as he was off for Friday night. "Don't forget, I'm too young to be grandfather! Have fun!"
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
its much better than what daddy frazzed used to say to me.
"watch out for those homo sapiens. They're clever bastards."
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I always liked Staff Sergeant's advice to us during liberty briefs. He always ended with a very simple few words of advice "If you have to think about it, don't do it" caught myself using it more then a few times now. Both personally and sharing it.
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
Yes. All of those are good advice but do they work or are they given to the kind of boys that end up in Steubenville rape cases?
Surely the problem is that either these guys didn't think about it, or worse (and more likely) they thought about it and decided it was fine to go ahead.
Kilkrazy wrote: Yes. All of those are good advice but do they work or are they given to the kind of boys that end up in Steubenville rape cases?
Surely the problem is that either these guys didn't think about it, or worse (and more likely) they thought about it and decided it was fine to go ahead.
Those boys weren't raised properly. The girl wasn't raised properly either. Thats my point.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
KalashnikovMarine wrote: I always liked Staff Sergeant's advice to us during liberty briefs. He always ended with a very simple few words of advice "If you have to think about it, don't do it" caught myself using it more then a few times now. Both personally and sharing it.
Words of wisdom If you have to engage in Olympian mental gymnastics its probably not a good idea
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faced drunk at a party unless you're with bro's (sis's???) who have your back.
If you have to engage in Olympian mental gymnastics its probably not a good idea 