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Cyclonic Torpedoes

Cyclonic Torpedoes are much more immediate in action than virus bombs, having enough power to ignite a planet's atmosphere following their detonation. The blast radius is large enough to be seen from space and the detonation powerful enough to crack a planet's crust and destabilise its core. Only the forces of the Inquisition and the Adeptus Astartes are known to have access to Cyclonic Torpedoes and can use them to order an Exterminatus.

Virus Bombs

Imperial Virus Bombs release a special virus known as the Life-eater Virus that was genetically designed to quickly spread and destroy all organic cellular structures it infects, reducing all planetary life, whether flora or fauna, to an undifferentiated organic sludge of biochemicals. This process of cellular decay also produces huge volumes of flammable gases as a by-product, which is later ignited and turns the atmosphere into a firestorm that usually takes out whatever life may be left. Only those who may have escaped into especially-deep underground shelters can survive a Virus Bomb attack. The population of Tallarn managed to escape complete destruction this way, but their once-verdant world was forever transformed into a desert. Virus bombs are known for their extreme speed; in the fiction surrounding the Horus Heresy, they completely wiped out Istvaan III's entire population of 16 billion people in only minutes.

Get back to me when orks and nids can survive virus bombing lol

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

There are many, many examples of carnifex (carnifi?) dying to...being left in the car on a hot day

I'll be grinning all day. Thanks.

 ]Waaghboss Grobnub wrote:
If it was written than an ork with a new head grafted onto his body could effectively fire and such fight, you don't need an "official" writer to write a battle where dead orks do get new heads and fight effectively. If you are told that a boy/nob had half his head blown off and replaced with compnents and plating, then fighting on and becoming one of the greatest fighters in (fantasy) written history, you don't need to bring any evidence about other orks being able to do the same. You are already been told they're are able to.­

Yes, anecdotical evidence =/= proof. Because going by that example, we can all survive a 10 000 feet fall strapped on an airplane seat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juliane_Koepcke)

And as I said earlier, it can easily be codex propaganda in favor of the Orks, just like the Space Marines do crazy stuff in their codex, but people brush it off as Imperial propaganda.

If orks undergo surgery after battle, recieve new heads, and are fully combat capable afterwards, that still does not equate to getting their head cut off and continuing to fight immediately afterwards. It just doesnt.


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Old One eye had his brain shot out by Sergeant Telion. Does this mean every single carnifex can fight on after losing his entire head? No. It means there is a single carnifex out there who is surprisingly tough.

Hunchkrot wrote:
If orks undergo surgery after battle, recieve new heads, and are fully combat capable afterwards, that still does not equate to getting their head cut off and continuing to fight immediately afterwards. It just doesnt.


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Old One eye had his brain shot out by Sergeant Telion. Does this mean every single carnifex can fight on after losing his entire head? No. It means there is a single carnifex out there who is surprisingly tough.

First off, I can't remeber which book, but it is either Rynn's world, or Helsreach, I believe it is helsreach, it stats that a group of marines, after killing off a attacking group of orks, was taking the time for crunching ork skulls, because there have been many times, were a ork thought dead came back and was able to hurt them, even kill space marines again, if you want I can re-read these novels and find out where it is in these books.

Second, it is said that Old One Eye has incredible regenerative abilities. Also because of these abilities, the nid race doesn't want him back into the hive fleet because he has weird genetics, as such, no, there are no other carnifexes out there that are like him, but in Ghazzy's case, he was just a normal ork boy, who got lucky, and became one of the biggest orks out there.

Orks don't do propaganda.

They could, would make sense.

Yeah, I'll brush it off as propaganda and stories made to scare the crap out of the enemies and whatnot.

I personally think, it's a better achievement when, as a high standing ork, you can pluck an apple off a tree and tell your entire army it is a explosive, then throw it to have a grenade sized blast.

Well to Orks fan, that is how it works, to some other people, the Ork will look very silly, as an apple lacks a few parts to be an actual grenade.

Or perhaps planting explosive apples in all the space marines lunch boxes will become the greatest ork guerilla tactic ever.

By your logic, crushing the ork skulls would not help, because the orks would just continue to fight regardless of their head. Much more likely is that they were breaking skulls to ensure none of the more kunnin' orks were hiding among the dead.

As for Old One Eye, the codex states he's just a normal carnifex-strain monster. So if all orks are capable of being Ghazkhghull tough, then all carnifexes could be One Eye tough.

But that's enough of that.

Yes, there are plenty of other accomplishments much more impressive than decapitation. How about that biker who destroyed a Titan.

FYI: Chickens who get their heads off sometimes run around after, not for long though.

Hunchkrot wrote:
By your logic, crushing the ork skulls would not help, because the orks would just continue to fight regardless of their head. Much more likely is that they were breaking skulls to ensure none of the more kunnin' orks were hiding among the dead.

As for Old One Eye, the codex states he's just a normal carnifex-strain monster. So if all orks are capable of being Ghazkhghull tough, then all carnifexes could be One Eye tough.

But that's enough of that.

Ok, how is my logic pointing out that orks can fight without their skulls? I'm just saying that Space marines take the time to destroy ork skulls after a battle, just to make sure they are dead, so they won't come at them at a later date in the war.

As for the Old One Eye, I just re-read the page on lexicanum. Looks like they changed it since the last time I read it. Indeed it is a normality for carnies to have his regenerative powers now thanks to Hive fleet Leviathan. Sorry about that, I was using old fluff. You are right, now Carnies can become another Old One Eye.

No, I was referring to the earlier point about Orks fighting without heads. If they could, then crushing the skulls wouldn't be too useful. I'm too lazy to check who posted the headless fighting thing, but your logic above was sound.

Hunchkrot wrote:
No, I was referring to the earlier point about Orks fighting without heads. If they could, then crushing the skulls wouldn't be too useful. I'm too lazy to check who posted the headless fighting thing, but your logic above was sound.

I believe it twas me, it was how space marines were stomping on ork skulls to make sure the orks were dead, because there have been many cases of orks suffering wounds that would kill any sane creature, only hurting orks and then these orks who are supposed to be dead from those wounds would come around and do an attack against those same forces and cause casualties. In the end it is just saying that orks are really annoying if you don't destroy the brain.

Bobthehero wrote:They could, would make sense.

Yeah, I'll brush it off as propaganda and stories made to scare the crap out of the enemies and whatnot.

Orks don't make stories to scare the crap out of enemies; orks do fight the crap out of enemies.

Phonics wrote:I personally think, it's a better achievement when, as a high standing ork, you can pluck an apple off a tree and tell your entire army it is a explosive, then throw it to have a grenade sized blast.

You know, it is possible that if orks are convinced that an apple can work as a grenade, it actually could work as a grenade.

Bobthehero wrote:Well to Orks fan, that is how it works, to some other people, the Ork will look very silly, as an apple lacks a few parts to be an actual grenade.

In spite of that. Orks know it is a fruit, they're not mindless bugs, c'mon. Orks evolve to be the ultimate fighters and survivors. 'Nids on the other side are no more than oversized bugs waiting for the right boot to stomp on 'em. And you know, stompin' is an old favourite of orks...

Besides, you can fear an ork armed with an apple. An ork can kill you with an apple. A 'nid can only consume apples.

My brain is actually hurting reading through the last couple of pages with all the ork fanboyism. The arguements are pointless and nonsensical. Ghazz had a bolter explode in his face and lived. Big freaking whoop! Humans survive bullets going through their face and live, have their limbs blown apart and live. That surviving decapitation thing again big whoop. So you have a lifeless body and a head screaming "arghhhhh my body!! What the f**k happened to my body". Seeing as how everybody is going the fanboy way then so will I. As long the nids are in synapse they are invincible. A gaunt has his lower body blown away but the hive mind says you still got your gun so keep firing. If that doesn't float your boat then how about they creat some thing like old one eye but better a swarmlord with super regen abilities that when it gets shot or stabbed its wounds automatically heal. It gets blown to bits but all cells regroup in a matter of seconds. Sorry for grammar and spelling on my iPod

Jayo'r wrote:
My brain is actually hurting reading through the last couple of pages with all the ork fanboyism. The arguements are pointless and nonsensical. Ghazz had a bolter explode in his face and lived. Big freaking whoop! Humans survive bullets going through their face and live, have their limbs blown apart and live. That surviving decapitation thing again big whoop. So you have a lifeless body and a head screaming "arghhhhh my body!! What the f**k happened to my body". Seeing as how everybody is going the fanboy way then so will I. As long the nids are in synapse they are invincible. A gaunt has his lower body blown away but the hive mind says you still got your gun so keep firing. If that doesn't float your boat then how about they creat some thing like old one eye but better a swarmlord with super regen abilities that when it gets shot or stabbed its wounds automatically heal. It gets blown to bits but all cells regroup in a matter of seconds. Sorry for grammar and spelling on my iPod

As a tyranid fan, I think the battle would be a ork....loss.... The main problem is the fact that tyranids would just consume their spores along with the planet... I really hate to say that as I love orks too. In space the orks may stand a chance. Please stop giving examples of one creature everyone! Give examples that multiple orks/nids do.

Its going to depend entirely on the battle, people keep bringing up the more Ork reinforcements is more biomass but in the grand scheme of things that is nothing. The aftermath of a battle is not a huge meal for the Tyranids, wiping out a planets defences and stripping every bit of organic matter from the planet is.
Think Nids land on Earth, theirs seven billion humans to eat sure, but then theirs every tree, plant, insect, animal, the soil, the ocean. The nids need an area to basically strip mine, the more they expand this area the more forces they can commit, if the Orks force a stalemate and the nids commit more ships they're loosing out because those ships should be decimating other planets to build more ships, at the end theres less food for each to move on, less to build new hives and if the hive is concentrated they're more vulnerable to a kunning Ork crashing a couple dozen Roks into the fleet and I think a damaged hive ship is a bigger loss to the fleet than almost any amount of committed ground troops.

Hive fleets build strength by smashing the resistance and then consuming the planet as quickly and efficiently as possible to build more hive fleets so the invasion can theoritically exponentially grow and grow.

I think a nid fleet either dies because the hive ships straight up get destroyed or the initial invasion gets forced back and the hive ship has to cannibalise itself to commit more forces and dies.

If it does smash the initial defences then it wins because no matter how many forces it did destroy and loose its got an entire planet to strip down to rock and build more ships.

That being said its Stagnant 40k and GW loves a never ending stalemate.

Jayo'r wrote:
My brain is actually hurting reading through the last couple of pages with all the ork fanboyism. The arguements are pointless and nonsensical. Ghazz had a bolter explode in his face and lived. Big freaking whoop! Humans survive bullets going through their face and live, have their limbs blown apart and live. That surviving decapitation thing again big whoop. So you have a lifeless body and a head screaming "arghhhhh my body!! What the f**k happened to my body". Seeing as how everybody is going the fanboy way then so will I. As long the nids are in synapse they are invincible. A gaunt has his lower body blown away but the hive mind says you still got your gun so keep firing. If that doesn't float your boat then how about they creat some thing like old one eye but better a swarmlord with super regen abilities that when it gets shot or stabbed its wounds automatically heal. It gets blown to bits but all cells regroup in a matter of seconds. Sorry for grammar and spelling on my iPod

It is you who have gone the fanboy way, nothing wrong about it as long as it is not meant to insult anyone; people stating about Ghazz or the carnifex were making citations that may serve as examples by extrapolation, with more or less fortune. And it is official background. Even interpretation and speculation has been made referring to such background information. Surviving decapitation for a given time (note that you only cited part of the thing, and that is wrong) is again something written in official fluff so it may serve as an example, moreover as it has been referred to more than once. There is also people claiming and citing about 'nids. If you want to make a confronting statement, be fun and civil or be boring and civil; look for Void__Dragon's posts, answers and questions and answers to his questions as an example of confrontation in a maybe annoying but definitely constructive, civil and respectuous manner.

By the way I guess such a response by the hive mind would not go the way of creating big super creatures but more resilient and powerful lesser ones to check ork troops, which are seen as superior to 'nid ones (read gaunts).

Orks would win. Tyranids can only build on Creep so they can't deploy forward bases or staging areas easily.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Tyranids can only build on Creep so they can't deploy forward bases or staging areas easily.

That's the ZERG from Starcraft..... COMPLETELY different game. Lulz

Oh just a piece of random information, did you know that it is rumored that Blizzard entertainment actually approached Gw and tried to make a warhammer 40k game? Gw turned them down, so Blizzard created Starcraft!

I think she knows that. It was a joke.

Don't be silly, Melissia. The mechanicum do not joke.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Don't be silly, Melissia. The mechanicum do not joke.

There goes my dream of being a mechanicum stand-up comedian...

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As far as I can tell, no one has explained how the tyranids could resolve their long-term vulnerabilities regarding biomass. The orks will not starve as fast as the nids. That means the nids have to overwhelm the orks quickly and the fluff does not seem to support that they can reliably do this.

 Manchu wrote:


As far as I can tell, no one has explained how the tyranids could resolve their long-term vulnerabilities regarding biomass. The orks will not starve as fast as the nids. That means the nids have to overwhelm the orks quickly and the fluff does not seem to support that they can reliably do this.

Because a carnifex survived exterminatus apparently.

Seriously, again, they have suffered the additional background power reduction of losing warp travel, their fleets move dramatically more slowly now. Yet another insult added to the injuries of the last codex. It really did knock them off their perch as the biggest of the big bads, just as intended.

 Manchu wrote:
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As far as I can tell, no one has explained how the tyranids could resolve their long-term vulnerabilities regarding biomass. The orks will not starve as fast as the nids. That means the nids have to overwhelm the orks quickly and the fluff does not seem to support that they can reliably do this.

True, the Tyranids use biomass so quickly when they are invading a world that they run the risk of burning themselves out. On the other hand, this super-fast biology also means that they can recover from near-extinction in an incredibly short time; enough to wipe that silly grin off of an Ork world in short order. This brings me back to the whole Ghorala war; the Tyranids were reduced to a single Hive Ship, and then when that was killed they were reduced to just a light shower of Mycetic Spore son an incredibly well fortified (and unified) Ork world. They went on to recover, consume the planet and re-develop that entire tendril of Leviathan.

So how do the Tyranids resolve their long-term need to feed? Easy. They feed. On Orks. Of which there are a great many.

Xyptc wrote:
So how do the Tyranids resolve their long-term need to feed? Easy. They feed. On Orks.

Trouble is, that gets us exactly to the same place -- Tyranids needing to overwhelm orks quickly. I think this is because feeding is not a long-term need for a Tyranid force; rather, it is the most immediate need imaginable. The point is, Tyranids are always operating on a deficit of calories. This is why they prowl the Void looking for galaxies to guzzle rather than staying put and ... well, just farming basically. They cannot metabolically afford to do anything but consume and even that act of consumption needs to be extremely efficient. In terms of efficiency, Orks are the opposite. Nothing they do is necessarily efficient because it does not need to be. The Nids have to constantly balance their metabolic checkbook (which, again, is always in the red) and every Ork victory is an extremely nasty stomach ache. The Orks don't deal in that kind of precision and it makes them very durable. All other things being equal (and that's where the fluff examples are iffy as they are so broadly told), Orks and Nids might stalemate on Day 1 but the Orks only get stronger in the situation of stalemate whereas Nids get weaker. One thing the Nids have in their favor is that they arrive in overwhelming force whereas Orks need to get going. That's why it's so crucial in this scenario for the Nids to win fast.

What would happen if a kroot ate an ork and a nid?