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Teclis is a part of the HE army. It doesn't matter if he is OP, deal with it. I know it sounds cold, but its just as unsportsmen like to say i wont play you because i think i will lose then it is to take a reason that ensures the win. In a competitive scene you have to account for everything, even teclis.

I've personally never had a problem, as both times i've played him he has died by turn 3. I play wood elves and if i can beat him, you can certainly adjust to him. I used a scout noble with a sniper bow and sniper sprite, admitedly i had luck and hit with both hits every turn until he died, but it he still would of died. I take it its a competitive league, well then, get competitive.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:


I've personally never had a problem, as both times i've played him he has died by turn 3. I play wood elves and if i can beat him, you can certainly adjust to him. I used a scout noble with a sniper bow and sniper sprite, admitedly i had luck and hit with both hits every turn until he died, but it he still would of died. I take it its a competitive league, well then, get competitive.

We're discussing Teclis when used by players who know what they're doing. If you fail to win with Teclis vs. Wood Elves, you should reconsider the decision of playing competitively.

If someone uses a character that is breaking the game, as a matter of fact, he is the one not being a good sportsman. No offense, but I prefer relying on actual competitive experience / opinion e.g. ETC tournaments, not local ones where WE win vs. HE

Vs. an actual opponent, with a bow, you'd first have to kill the front rank as Teclis is in the second rank and you'd get, at the very least, a -3 modification to even hit Teclis with ranged attacks. Not to mention you'd then be in range for everything the HE army got. And frankly, I'd just take some flaming Swordsmen and go crazy on any cc unit WE might offer. Even a unit of 15-20 sword masters downright destroys everything you throw at them in melee. S5, re-roll hits, double wounds. Not to mention Teclis could even roll Lore of Fire for superb trololol vs. a treekin army. Tabled by turn 3.

First off it wasn't just a local pick up game for one i was talking about, it was a local tourney Not ETC i know but everyone knew there army by their army by the time we knocked out ones who didn't

We had a rule that kinda nerfed teclis in the fact you had to choose a lore, right it in your army list and stick to it all day long. Probabilly to stop bretts gettign lore of metel'd every time. Teclis was playing in a CC centered army with a spearbunker, swordmaster hoarde and a few small chaff units of archers, bolt throwers and eagles. i got first turn, scouted in my waywatchers and scout hero. The rest of my army shot his arches of the bored with a little luck from hail of doom arrows, make the one next to it flee. then i plinked a wound of teclis with sniper hero. Swordmasters only have a 5+ save, so they arn't a good hoarde unit i'll tell you that. When teclis eventually got sniped to death, all i had to was try block all the magic (life) i could while he couldn't do anything about it.

Then my next game Pre-nerf Kairos blasted me, but you win some you lose some.

Alternitively couldn't you just pack a feedback scroll, wait till he 6 dices dwellers and then kill him like that?

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
First off it wasn't just a local pick up game for one i was talking about, it was a local tourney Not ETC i know but everyone knew there army by their army by the time we knocked out ones who didn't

We had a rule that kinda nerfed teclis in the fact you had to choose a lore, right it in your army list and stick to it all day long. Probabilly to stop bretts gettign lore of metel'd every time. Teclis was playing in a CC centered army with a spearbunker, swordmaster hoarde and a few small chaff units of archers, bolt throwers and eagles. i got first turn, scouted in my waywatchers and scout hero. The rest of my army shot his arches of the bored with a little luck from hail of doom arrows, make the one next to it flee. then i plinked a wound of teclis with sniper hero. Swordmasters only have a 5+ save, so they arn't a good hoarde unit i'll tell you that. When teclis eventually got sniped to death, all i had to was try block all the magic (life) i could while he couldn't do anything about it.

You played vs a very weak HE list then - I was talking about actually strong lists

Insist he gets the new book next month if its a usual escalation league then by the time you get up to the level where he is allowed to take Teclis then Teclis won't be the same and will probably be more expensive to boot.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Right now, everyone who brings Teclis to the table is ruining the game for his opponent on purpose - which is, to me, an intolerable behavior and truly shows how much you care about sportsmanship.

I disagree with this assessment. Quite strongly in fact. To suggest that, if someone wants to bring a list with a character that they may have found interesting based on books that he/she read, and said to himself/herself: you know what, I am going to purposely ruin this game for my opponent - well, that is just downright shameful.

I'm not going to argue the point that Teclis is undercosted for what he does, and there is a good reason that he is banned from most touneys. Nor am I going to disagree with the fact that a prospective Teclis user should ask his/her opponent if it's ok before he is fielded. But to suggest that there is an intention of ruining an opponents day is just downright silly.

jayzerus wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Right now, everyone who brings Teclis to the table is ruining the game for his opponent on purpose - which is, to me, an intolerable behavior and truly shows how much you care about sportsmanship.

I disagree with this assessment. Quite strongly in fact. To suggest that, if someone wants to bring a list with a character that they may have found interesting based on books that he/she read, and said to himself/herself: you know what, I am going to purposely ruin this game for my opponent - well, that is just downright shameful.

I'm not going to argue the point that Teclis is undercosted for what he does, and there is a good reason that he is banned from most touneys. Nor am I going to disagree with the fact that a prospective Teclis user should ask his/her opponent if it's ok before he is fielded. But to suggest that there is an intention of ruining an opponents day is just downright silly.

I was talking of comp play here.

I thought teclis just made he tier one, rather than the ultimate army you should just surrender to?

teclis doesnt last long in close combat lol

roma wrote:
I thought teclis just made he tier one, rather than the ultimate army you should just surrender to?

Teclis facerolls most enemies.

Well, first off - how fast is your league growing? I mean at 2K will be what? 4 months or more?

Easiest way is that you talk to the LO and see if he can require that everyone uses the most up to date codex . If someone's codex changes in that time span, that they have to repoint their list, as is or as close as possible to as is, with the new codex. Then allow for adjustments to fit too many/too few points. This is not that difficult and would take like 10 minutes at absolute most for the LO.

Hopefully, he will be fixed (either nerfed or increased point cost) by then and with them 'being the next codex' - it should not affect too much in the way of the high point games.

If your LO is complaining that it is too much work - just explain then that as a basic means, everyone should be required to use the newest codex and that allowing people to play off of old codexes is a major imbalance in the TO.

But seriously - jsut talk to him...even the above is a simple and viable option...

 Sigvatr wrote:
Hopefully so.

Right now, everyone who brings Teclis to the table is ruining the game for his opponent on purpose - which is, to me, an intolerable behavior and truly shows how much you care about sportsmanship. I let our local HE player try him in a 2.5k game and he agreed that he needs to be toned down. It just isn't fun if a mage can spam 6ths without negative consequences. At the very least, he should always suffer a miscast with every doubles, not just 6s.

He is rightfully banned from all comp matches. The sooner he, in his current iteration, is removed from the game, the better.

Just play better

 pities2004 wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Hopefully so.

Right now, everyone who brings Teclis to the table is ruining the game for his opponent on purpose - which is, to me, an intolerable behavior and truly shows how much you care about sportsmanship. I let our local HE player try him in a 2.5k game and he agreed that he needs to be toned down. It just isn't fun if a mage can spam 6ths without negative consequences. At the very least, he should always suffer a miscast with every doubles, not just 6s.

He is rightfully banned from all comp matches. The sooner he, in his current iteration, is removed from the game, the better.

Just play better

Get on my level, son.

 pities2004 wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Hopefully so.

Right now, everyone who brings Teclis to the table is ruining the game for his opponent on purpose - which is, to me, an intolerable behavior and truly shows how much you care about sportsmanship. I let our local HE player try him in a 2.5k game and he agreed that he needs to be toned down. It just isn't fun if a mage can spam 6ths without negative consequences. At the very least, he should always suffer a miscast with every doubles, not just 6s.

He is rightfully banned from all comp matches. The sooner he, in his current iteration, is removed from the game, the better.

Just play better

Please don't try this. Teclis is banned in most tournaments for a reason.

You are saying to me that my oponent didn't have a good list, is it TOTALLY impossible that it is YOUR list that doesn't have the answer? HE arn't in the top three, so they do have answers, Look for them.

You can't just say that someone is ruining the game by using a good unit, well you can, but it just sounds like whining. In 40k its like saying flier spam ruins game, but thats not true. The game evolves, they are just another layer to counter, just like Teclis is. Throw a feedback scroll in your list, if you dont have to show him your list, wait till he throws a load of dice then ''bye bye teclis''. Would that not work? Or just shoot a LOT of cannons at him until he fails LoS, or death magic him. Or dwellers, or purple sun him, its not like they're arn't answers to him. And its not like there is only a single one either.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
You are saying to me that my oponent didn't have a good list, is it TOTALLY impossible that it is YOUR list that doesn't have the answer? HE arn't in the top three, so they do have answers, Look for them.

You can't just say that someone is ruining the game by using a good unit, well you can, but it just sounds like whining. In 40k its like saying flier spam ruins game, but thats not true. The game evolves, they are just another layer to counter, just like Teclis is. Throw a feedback scroll in your list, if you dont have to show him your list, wait till he throws a load of dice then ''bye bye teclis''. Would that not work? Or just shoot a LOT of cannons at him until he fails LoS, or death magic him. Or dwellers, or purple sun him, its not like they're arn't answers to him. And its not like there is only a single one either.

I'd appreciate input of people having played Teclis lists on a regular basis.

/e: vs. people who knew what they were doing.

How about you just wait a month and the problem resolves itself.

tgf wrote:
How about you just wait a month and the problem resolves itself.

This, pretty much. 601 pts please.

If Teclis is sooo broken, why have the high elves been denied wins in any major uncomped tournament. If what you say is true, then a good player with Teclis and his high elves should have won Adepticon last year and will win this year. It didnt happen last year and it wont happen this year.

TCWarRoom wrote:
If Teclis is sooo broken, why have the high elves been denied wins in any major uncomped tournament. If what you say is true, then a good player with Teclis and his high elves should have won Adepticon last year and will win this year. It didnt happen last year and it wont happen this year.

I know right, its almost as though competant players with balanced lists can beat him or something.
Who are we kidding it probably doesn't count because its not comped.

TCWarRoom wrote:
If Teclis is sooo broken, why have the high elves been denied wins in any major uncomped tournament

TCWarRoom wrote:
uncomped tournament

Comp-wise, at comp tournaments, SC are forbidden to use anyway and thus HE never make it.

 Sigvatr wrote:

TCWarRoom wrote:
If Teclis is sooo broken, why have the high elves been denied wins in any major uncomped tournament

TCWarRoom wrote:
uncomped tournament

Comp-wise, at comp tournaments, SC are forbidden to use anyway and thus HE never make it.

Really? That makes em boring because I have some fun Orc lists that run SC's.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

TCWarRoom wrote:
If Teclis is sooo broken, why have the high elves been denied wins in any major uncomped tournament

TCWarRoom wrote:
uncomped tournament

Comp-wise, at comp tournaments, SC are forbidden to use anyway and thus HE never make it.

Really? That makes em boring because I have some fun Orc lists that run SC's.

Well, those are competitive games, not friendlies aka just-for-fun games

I also run Skarsnik in friendlies despite him being utterly overpriced and thus underpowered.

Teclis made several appearances at Adepticon last year and didnt win. He will be there this year and wont win.

This alone means that although powerful and annoying, Teclis is not an instant win sc for the High Elves.

IMO and in actual tournament results.

If someone uses a character that is breaking the game, as a matter of fact, he is the one not being a good sportsman

yeah and before every sports even they should take Bolt , put him in a sack and wack him a bit , he too OP and bad sportsman , because has better traits to win in a tournament .

If someone is realy having problems with teclis , then why isnt he playing HE in the first place ?

Makumba wrote:

If someone uses a character that is breaking the game, as a matter of fact, he is the one not being a good sportsman

yeah and before every sports even they should take Bolt , put him in a sack and wack him a bit , he too OP and bad sportsman , because has better traits to win in a tournament .

If someone is realy having problems with teclis , then why isnt he playing HE in the first place ?

Maybe because he finds HE models to be unattractive. Maybe because he does not like the lore. Maybe because he prefers to play/paint evil races. Maybe because he doesn't like playing with SC at all. Maybe he just doesn't like elves. Maybe he finds the lists HE create are boring. Maybe he doesn't feel the need to play a SC that ruins the play experience for everyone else. Maybe he doesn't find it worth it monetarily to purchase a new army just for a single game changing character.

There's a multitude of valid reasons why a player can hate playing against teclis, but not want to play him themselves.

TCWarRoom wrote:
Teclis made several appearances at Adepticon last year and didnt win. He will be there this year and wont win.

This alone means that although powerful and annoying, Teclis is not an instant win sc for the High Elves.

It doesn't work like that.

The fastest car in the world being driven by someone who doesn't know how to drive a stick shift, is slower than a bicycle. That doesn't mean the car itself is slow. "Several" people using a model isn't enough of a population to say anything because you don't know how competent those generals were. Just like if the winner of the tournament used a fireball spell you don't assume that fireballs are OP and ban them from future tournaments. If you went by that logic, everything would be alternately banned or unbanned based solely on whether the owner won or lost on a given year.

Reason Teclis is considered op by many is related to the fact on how Overpowered the Magic Phase in this edition is. With so many people just throwing 6 dice at Dwellers Bellow or some super spell like that, Teclis pretty much does that, but doesn't have to just pray for sixes, he could roll 6 dice, get 2 ones and still reach the casting value, and it goes off with Irresistible Force. Now if they where to change it where he where to get it on a 5+ then the traditional 6+, then I think that would be fair, however currently he can be very strong depending on the game. I have seen games where he just single-handily wipes out an entire army without worry, as well as games where he has bombed, but for the most part, in my experience whenever he is in the game, he drastically changes the game, making it really hard for those who fight him to win. In short, Teclis is very strong but not unbeatable, reason it seems that way is due to the Magic Phase in this current edition.

DukeRustfield wrote:

TCWarRoom wrote:
Teclis made several appearances at Adepticon last year and didnt win. He will be there this year and wont win.

This alone means that although powerful and annoying, Teclis is not an instant win sc for the High Elves.

It doesn't work like that.

The fastest car in the world being driven by someone who doesn't know how to drive a stick shift, is slower than a bicycle. That doesn't mean the car itself is slow. "Several" people using a model isn't enough of a population to say anything because you don't know how competent those generals were. Just like if the winner of the tournament used a fireball spell you don't assume that fireballs are OP and ban them from future tournaments. If you went by that logic, everything would be alternately banned or unbanned based solely on whether the owner won or lost on a given year.

I know WAAC tournaments and at an event that big with that much on the line, players would do it if it was that easy. This isnt some local tournament with a $25 box for first. Adepticon is a GT that has zero comp. If Teclis made it that easy to win, he would be played more.

DukeRustfield wrote:

TCWarRoom wrote:
Teclis made several appearances at Adepticon last year and didnt win. He will be there this year and wont win.

This alone means that although powerful and annoying, Teclis is not an instant win sc for the High Elves.

It doesn't work like that.

The fastest car in the world being driven by someone who doesn't know how to drive a stick shift, is slower than a bicycle. That doesn't mean the car itself is slow. "Several" people using a model isn't enough of a population to say anything because you don't know how competent those generals were. Just like if the winner of the tournament used a fireball spell you don't assume that fireballs are OP and ban them from future tournaments. If you went by that logic, everything would be alternately banned or unbanned based solely on whether the owner won or lost on a given year.

It does this tiem around, because the argument isn't that he is the "fastest car in the world", its that he's not only the fastest car in the worlds AND he requires 0 skill/education to drive, that is the claim made when people try and ban Teclis.