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 LoneLictor wrote:
....and we, as an audience, are so jaded to it that we think it's "silly".

I disagree, I believe it's the Cockney accents and belief system that influence some views on the "sillyness" of the big green guys. This coupled with the Ork attitude towards war. Instead of having a bleak dramatic outlook on it, they relish in the thought of battle. War makes them happy.

Their fluff is full of quirks and oddball things that make them the comic relief of the 40k universe -- but this is irrelevant to them being Dark enough for the 40k universe....IMO it gives a personality and style to the brutality. Without it, it would just be boring.

So, Grim Dark? I would think so, but Grim Dark when dealing with the Orks, is simply the perspective of the billions of unfortunate people being slaughtered by them

Personally I believe that orks take you away from that "grimdark" 40k feel and i very much like it.

At least we're making some headway... the poll is astounding and I will admit I expected the numbers to be a little more even, but Im over-joyed in seeing this.

Only thing to hope for now is GW seeing this poll and being like "Next Dex? Orks for sure" lol

Though I suppose if we wait for a while we'll have a considerable edge in that we'll know how to crump everyone else just like we always do

Considering how one sided fluff usually is (tyranid codex being the exception since they always seem to get squished in their own fluff), I would really love to see more that balances this whole arguement out... I mean I get that teef is a currency and that they do have a goofy side, but I feel the goofy side emulates a "joker to batman" style threat in that sure they do have a silly side, but that silliness is purely to distract from the notion that this is a seriously dangerous threat will make regret not taking them seriously lol

 WarlordRob117 wrote:
At least we're making some headway... the poll is astounding and I will admit I expected the numbers to be a little more even, but Im over-joyed in seeing this.

Only thing to hope for now is GW seeing this poll and being like "Next Dex? Orks for sure" lol

Though I suppose if we wait for a while we'll have a considerable edge in that we'll know how to crump everyone else just like we always do

Considering how one sided fluff usually is (tyranid codex being the exception since they always seem to get squished in their own fluff), I would really love to see more that balances this whole arguement out... I mean I get that teef is a currency and that they do have a goofy side, but I feel the goofy side emulates a "joker to batman" style threat in that sure they do have a silly side, but that silliness is purely to distract from the notion that this is a seriously dangerous threat will make regret not taking them seriously lol

It can be equated to the five year old kid, sat in the garden, pulling the wings off bugs and giggling at the little wavy legs moving in rapid motion, humming to himself, tongue poking out to the side in bemused concentration.

It's not threatening really is it, it's almost funny.


Unless you're the bug.



Orks will enslave whatever they don't kill, they will torture, maim and eat their captives, on capturing a world, they will take the old, the sick, the children and use them to feed the functional adult slaves as they work them to death in great scrap factories churning out ammunition and sundries of war for the greenskin masters. They will make the weakest humans fight each other over a meal of their own relatives and nail living, dismembered humans to walls around the factory to 'make da ova wuns work fasta...'.

Orks are silly? Go read up on the Stalin regime or the death camps of the Nazis, a world enslaved to the Orks will be beholden to a brutal, savage species who will stripmine it, pollute it past it's ability to sustain life and commit atrocities against it's population, it's entire world population, on a scale that exceeds the most wicked regimes we've ever witnessed on earth. A species that will suddenly set a pen full of slaves on fire because it suddenly occurred to a burna that it might be amusing to watch them dance as they cook alive. To pull the unborn child from a woman, using a buzzsaw, because it's a puzzling thing to an ork, the human reproduction. To peel the skin from an old man to laugh at him when he's all red and noisy.

Yep, Orks are hilarious...

 Ascalam wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:

easysauce wrote:
a nob may is likely at least the equal of a space marine in strenght ect,

a warboss, for sure is the superior to a normal SM

there are likely 1000 warbosses for every singe SM in the galaxy,

each warboss can easily be replaced since all nobs have the capacity to turn into warbosses through experience, ambition, generally orkyness ect.

each space marine needs years to make each gene seed, then years to implant the seed and organs

thats why the SM are irrelevant compared to the IG

FTFY

FTFFY

True enough, also Fixed That Further For You?

To be honest, I think the idea of Orks being the comedic relief of 40k really only goes so far as the individual presentation. I see it most in the games, really. Outside that, in what fiction I've read they're appropriately brutal. I'd certainly not laugh at the Orks as portrayed in Rynn's World.

Hell, I am an Ork and Tau player, and I do think that statement the Tau player made or two is complete and utter bull.

Sure, the Tau may have a higher Technology, and more likely a higher standard of living of a good majority of the galaxy, but it makes me sad somewhat since Tau fans seems to ignore the fact that Tau are Communistic/ Caste-like in nature and see them as the ultra good guys in 40k. Truth really is they're really not, for them the greater good is 'Accept our way of Thinking or be blasted back to the stone Age with our firepower because we think our way is Altruistic" which is essentially what the Imperium is in a way, but the Tau rather use Diplomacy first to convince them rather than a straight-up fight at first.

Now with that out of the way back on topic....

The only way the Orks would seem silly is their individual presentation as TermiesInARaider put it, and might as well go as far as their slightly crude, twisted, but awesome sense of humor.

But, looking past that, they are a great threat, if not the greatest threat, to the Imperium and the 40k Galaxy at large. Why one may ask? Because essentially they have technology that only works for them, and even baffles the Earth Caste and the Adeptus Mechanicus how it works for the orks a bit. And lets not forget that Orks are essentially never ending since they release 100 spores when they die in a fight or so. The only real thing that keeps them from causing a catastrophic demise of the Imperium is the fact Orks fight anything, even themselves. Even then, if you still get a large group of Orks together and attack a planet, two outcomes: Either the orks take over and overrun that planet, or it is doomed to eternal Warfare for the spores an dead Ork releases unless you Exterminatus the planet. Either way, the Orks win in both outcomes if you think about it.

Besides, think about it this way.

"In the Grim Darkness of the Far Future, there is Only War"

... what more could an Ork ask for? They've already won by 40k existing!

 Tanakosyke22 wrote:
Hell, I am an Ork and Tau player, and I do think that statement the Tau player made or two is complete and utter bull.

Sure, the Tau may have a higher Technology, and more likely a higher standard of living of a good majority of the galaxy, but it makes me sad somewhat since Tau fans seems to ignore the fact that Tau are Communistic/ Caste-like in nature and see them as the ultra good guys in 40k. Truth really is they're really not, for them the greater good is 'Accept our way of Thinking or be blasted back to the stone Age with our firepower because we think our way is Altruistic" which is essentially what the Imperium is in a way, but the Tau rather use Diplomacy first to convince them rather than a straight-up fight at first.

Now with that out of the way back on topic....

The only way the Orks would seem silly is their individual presentation as TermiesInARaider put it, and might as well go as far as their slightly crude, twisted, but awesome sense of humor.

But, looking past that, they are a great threat, if not the greatest threat, to the Imperium and the 40k Galaxy at large. Why one may ask? Because essentially they have technology that only works for them, and even baffles the Earth Caste and the Adeptus Mechanicus how it works for the orks a bit. And lets not forget that Orks are essentially never ending since they release 100 spores when they die in a fight or so. The only real thing that keeps them from causing a catastrophic demise of the Imperium is the fact Orks fight anything, even themselves. Even then, if you still get a large group of Orks together and attack a planet, two outcomes: Either the orks take over and overrun that planet, or it is doomed to eternal Warfare for the spores an dead Ork releases unless you Exterminatus the planet. Either way, the Orks win in both outcomes if you think about it.

To be honest, happy subjugation under the Tau is one of the better places you could be in the 40k universe. That, or as a simple farmer on some backwater Imperial Agri-world. Really, the best you can hope for in the 41st Millennium is to be left alone.

That's debatable. While Tau players often dispute it, there have been numerous reports of Tau being quite oppressive to non-Tau.

 Melissia wrote:
That's debatable. While Tau players often dispute it, there have been numerous reports of Tau being quite oppressive to non-Tau.

Yeah, but at the very least, they'll usually leave you alone if you do what they say. Or so, as far as what I've read. They only start doing the whole orbital bombardment/concentration camps/brainwashing thing if you don't go willingly.

 Melissia wrote:
That's debatable. While Tau players often dispute it, there have been numerous reports of Tau being quite oppressive to non-Tau.

Not that I am going to disagree with you there, but I can see it happening. The Tau ending to Dark Crusade can prove that (but that might be some weak evidence I think :p ), even some of the accounts (If I heard correctly) from a Kroot in the Last Chancers novels since the Tau are always going to consider their Race first, hell they are even trying to remake the Kroot for how they are (Essentially Mercenaries at first that often eat the corpses of their enemies after battle). Brainwashing Reeducation camps? Most likely. Sterilization? I can see that, but the Tau Empire could be shooting themselves in the foot if they can keep the Humans on their side brainwashed, but it would make sense since they do not want a possible overthrow.

And this is the Least grimdark of an outcome for the 40k Universe if you think about a bit.

 Bobthehero wrote:

 Ascalam wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:

easysauce wrote:
a nob may is likely at least the equal of a space marine in strenght ect,

a warboss, for sure is the superior to a normal SM

there are likely 1000 warbosses for every singe SM in the galaxy,

each warboss can easily be replaced since all nobs have the capacity to turn into warbosses through experience, ambition, generally orkyness ect.

each space marine needs years to make each gene seed, then years to implant the seed and organs

thats why the SM are irrelevant compared to the IG

FTFY

FTFFY

True enough, also Fixed That Further For You?

That's the one

The ?

People who don't think 40K is silly and comedic just didn't get the joke. The Orks are just the punchline, I guess.
But come to think of it, a lot of this black comedy has vanished over the years. I didn't see any of it in the loyalist Marine codexe.. codexi... codexidusses. I guess it's up to us players to show people why 40K is so funny!

 Bassik wrote:
The ?

People who don't think 40K is silly and comedic just didn't get the joke. The Orks are just the punchline, I guess.
But come to think of it, a lot of this black comedy has vanished over the years. I didn't see any of it in the loyalist Marine codexe.. codexi... codexidusses. I guess it's up to us players to show people why 40K is so funny!

I suppose that's an evolution of the property, really. A lot of the writers are shifting from those black comedy elements to more of a sci-fi/war/horror genre. To be honest, I don't mind it.

Orks are to silly, i guess thats why they are easily the most prosperous race and when they attack they are a never ending wave of green death. That is not silly, and whoever beleives it is a zoggin grot.